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Anybody know the way to the Rumours & Proposals thread? This doesn't appear to be it.
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Why is it irrelevant? Eberle's just doing what he's always done, produce points. He did it on some of the worst teams the NHL has ever seen and he's doing it again. But alright, let's have it your way then.
Eberle: 20 goals
Pouliot: 8 goals
Hendricks: 4 goals
Pitlick: 8 goals
DD: 2 goals
That's still 42 goals subtracted. And replaced with (using last year's numbers):
Cammalleri/Jokinen (21 goals between the two of them)
Strome: 13 goals
Auvitu: 2 goals
That's maybe 25 goals? So we net subtracted 17 goals (and I don't think Cammalleri or Strome are going to hit last year's totals)
JP was always going to post better numbers than last year, and quite frankly they're still not that impressive this year. Khaira was a surprise for a bit before he fell off again.
My question is why are we relying on young players again to play critical offensive roles? Why can't we let them develop normally until they're punching through the glass ceiling at the AHL level? Time and time again we're gifting players spots and they tend to perform at a mediocre level. It's especially painful because down the road Thachuk is on an absolute tear lately and has already hit 20 goals.
The real point is the Oilers let go too many players and didn't replace them adequately. Yes you can point to Khaira/JP replacing some of that but it's still not enough, especially since the latter is a key prospect that the Oilers have mishandled from day one.
We've seen this dumb strategy before and it failed then, hilariously so. Why is it going to work this time?
Not a direct influence on trades/proposals, but Mitch Callahan has been suspended for 20 games for PED's.
I mention it as it could be cause for contract termination and would free up a spot on the 50 man roster.
Sure does. But when you consider none of the personnel from that era made it to this team, I'd say the results of the previous season, which are all of the current defensive personnel, are valid. Saying the 2016/17 season was an anomaly is being extremely disingenuous.
Where are we at with our contract spots? I thought we already had some wiggle room.
Of course they do. You can change players if you want but if you don't REPLACE them then you have an issue.He doesn't understand the concept that a players point totals would change depending on what team they played on and what role they filled.
We don't need to be adding players point totals on other teams and subtracting who we think is their replacements totals, or anything silly like that. I look at it this way. Last year we averaged 2.96 goals per game as a team. This year we are currently at 2.83. That's .13 goals less per game, or what would equate to 7.15 less goals over the 55 games we are currently at. It's not that bad considering our 30th ranked PP. If our PP, which was 5th in the entire league last year, was even 15th overall at this point we'd be scoring at exactly the same rate as last year. So it's really just a bunch of huffing and puffing about something completely insignificant when posters ***** and moan about our lack of offense this year.
With emergence of Nurse and return of Davidson, we need to send out the older portion of the d-corps for some winger depth/RD depth. Larsson, Nurse, and Klefbom should all stay. Sekera and Russell should be used as trade-bait but they have full NMCs that need to be waived (thanks Chia)
Despite us having a difficult season, I don't think we're that far off from being playoff bound again next year. But we need to add some top 6 wingers, and some better depth in the bottom 6 along with a puck moving Dman. Also need to hope a few players rebound next year (Talbot, Sekera and Klefbom).
With emergence of Nurse and return of Davidson, we need to send out the older portion of the d-corps for some winger depth/RD depth. Larsson, Nurse, and Klefbom should all stay. Sekera and Russell should be used as trade-bait but they have full NMCs that need to be waived (thanks Chia)
Anybody know the way to the way Rumours & Proposals thread? This doesn't appear to be it.
What does everyone think of a Sekera for Phaneuf swap in the summer? Sekera would be 32 with three years left on the $5.5m AAV. Phaneuf is 33 and would have three years left on a $7m AAV. Would suck to cut bait on Andrej, but his injury is bit worrisome. Both offer a similar veteran presence but Phaneuf is more physical and offers a better shot on the power-play. Ignoring the potential for a bigger deal, what's the value like?
Head in the direction of the Talbot thread, take a hard right at #firechia and you'll find it right beside the When does McLellan get fired? thread.Anybody know the way to the way Rumours & Proposals thread? This doesn't appear to be it.
But what is a Sekera rebound? A soft, 30 point shin-pad seeker? Dion Phaneuf would fit the puck-mover need as well, but would probably be a better guy to run the second PP unit.No, Sekera will rebound, takes time to get your skating legs and timing back after that much time off. I wont be surprised to see him rebound next season. Far more worried about Klefbom's foot injury and long contract.
I don't disagree depth is important, but it also doesn't appear overnight. Tampa Bay is the gold standard for player development in the National Hockey League and have been for years. They crap NHL talent from their farm system. They should never be used as a comparable.You add to a roster and improve it. Depth is important in today's NHL. The Lightning have seven players in double digits with goals, and 4 with at least 20. The Oilers have 4 and 1 respectively.
And I don't think the roster is all that good. It benefitted from a lot going right last year and nothing was done to correct the possibility of some fallback (something the GM actually mentioned, mind you). Seriously, we have the worst crop of wingers in the league and a very average defense even when healthy. I at least thought we were a playoff team but not a contender, turns out we need a bit more. The GM (whoever it may be) has a ton of work to do this offseason and not a lot of room to do it.
But what is a Sekera rebound? A soft, 30 point shin-pad seeker? Dion Phaneuf would fit the puck-mover need as well, but would probably be a better guy to run the second PP unit.
I don't disagree depth is important, but it also doesn't appear overnight. Tampa Bay is the gold standard for player development in the National Hockey League and have been for years. They crap NHL talent from their farm system. They should never be used as a comparable.
And the potential of a fallback is something I mentioned, in April, mind you. This NHL is one where offense comes from previously unknown sources, teams have the ability to rebound in very short-term due to the well-documented parity in this league. The gap between a good team and a bad team is exceptionally small and is there's anything to be learned from the season being had by the Vegas Golden Knights, it's that commitment to execution is far more important than filling your depth chart with established talent.
Teams who score less than the Oilers and who are in a playoff position or in the hunt:
Carolina
Calgary
Anaheim
Columbus
Teams who allow more goals than the Oilers and who who are in a playoff position or in the hunt:
Islanders (1 pt out)
I know the "scoring winger" thing is our narrative, largely because we are frustrated at all the McD-generated chances that don't go in. But we are bleeding goals against this year, especially on the PK. If you're a GM you have to start there.
Considering that over 80% of that 103 point roster is still here next year...Where are these diamonds in the rough supposed to come from since we (a) can't draft or develop them and (b) never pull them from the recycling bin?
Is he in serious decline? Still playing some important minutes on that Ottawa roster.Sekera was arguably our best dman last year. And a big no thanks to Phaneuf. For 7 million/year and another 3 years of term, for a soon to be 33 year old in serious decline, and the grand total of 3 goals and 16 points this year, I'm pretty sure we do far better than throwing away that kind of money and term.
The shorter contract.Is he in serious decline? Still playing some important minutes on that Ottawa roster.
Ignoring the salaries, who's the better fit short term?