Rumoured deal benefits small-market teams

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Lobstertainment

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Beauty...a "storied frachise" that hasn't won a cup since there was a 1 in 6 chance of winning one.

let's see 9 mil for Sundin who getting older and slower by the second or 7 mil for Jarome Iginla, the ultimate power forward (and I loathe the Flames!) who's still only 27
you guys are aslo tied up in grandpa Belfour's salary for 3 years

1) Iginla is not signed to a 7 million dollar a year contract.

2) Belfour is signed for 2 years not 3.

3) Sundin is and has been consistintly our best player year in and year out

4) Toronto is a storied franchaise, all original 6 teams are.

5) With your attitude I doubt you were even born when the oilers last won their cup.
 

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OilerFan4Life said:
I hate the flames and all, but to say that Calgary is close to the cap is about the silliest thing you can say. Take into account the rollback and the potential franchise tag and Calgarys payroll along with average team age might be half of Torontos.

Oh there is an agreement in place?

Could I please see a source?
 

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Lobstertainment

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I hate the flames and all, but to say that Calgary is close to the cap is about the silliest thing you can say. Take into account the rollback and the potential franchise tag and Calgarys payroll along with average team age might be half of Torontos.

the flames are young and all but I doubt there average age is 14-16
 

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Yes we should just allow other teams to sign our players. A rather weak argument since Calgary is pretty close to the cap too. Maybe Calgary shouldn't resign Igilna right?
Iginla wasn't resigned. He's currently a FA.

You also missed the part about a salary rollback too I'm guessing.
 

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Most likely is the Leafs cut back to around $45-46m+ Sundin's $9m. $55m payroll and $6m in tax. If 6 other teams do something similar that's $36m divided by 24 other teams. $1.5/team in distributed tax. Even if its divided between just 12 teams its still only $3m. Better than nothing, but they won't be getting rich. Average tax exempt payroll will be $46-50m ($40m + $6-10m franchise player).

And this is before factoring in a salary rollback, there might be next to no tax money for the lesser clubs.

The rumoured deal is far too favourable for the teams that got the NHL into this mess in the first place. If the real deal looks anything like this, the players have scored a massive win.

I understand why the big spending team's fans are in favour, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
 

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1) Iginla is not signed to a 7 million dollar a year contract.

2) Belfour is signed for 2 years not 3.

3) Sundin is and has been consistintly our best player year in and year out

4) Toronto is a storied franchaise, all original 6 teams are.

5) With your attitude I doubt you were even born when the oilers last won their cup.


1) with the old CBA, he would've (I know he doesnt have a deal)

2)2 or 3...doesn't matter. he's 40 years old!

3)I'd argue that Belfour was your MVP....without him, you don't win against the Sens

4)I agree

5)yes I was born...I was born for all 5 cups
 

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A 77 year old team that has won 13 cups and has the largest fan base(for hockey) in the world. More than the Habs. More than the Wings.



IF there is a thirty game season, with the Leafs avoiding the injury plague, they will win the Cup, and some of you trolls can finally shut your mouths.

Maybe if it was a 30 game season starting in October this would be the case. But less then half the leafs are playing anywhere right now. While most teams have 3 quarters of there team playing in a competitive league at the moment. These teams will benefit greatly by being in game shape. The leafs lack of players in game shape could hurt them greatley.
 

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Iginla wasn't resigned. He's currently a FA.

You also missed the part about a salary rollback too I'm guessing.

Again until its signed, it's just speculation. I highly doubt the players will give in to a cap and still offer the rollbacks.

And since the owners have mentioned a 28 year old UFA start. Maybe you will have to be looking for another captain if he is still a free agent.

Wouldn't it just be funny if Calgary is hedging on a cap and they then lose Ignilna because of it to a team like the Penguins.

Thats the problem with hard caps. I would find all sorts of fault if the Leafs went out and signed UFA's before the lockout, but they just resigned their own players. Isn't that was you are supposed to do in professional sports?
 

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Again until its signed, it's just speculation. I highly doubt the players will give in to a cap and still offer the rollbacks.

And since the owners have mentioned a 28 year old UFA start. Maybe you will have to be looking for another captain if he is still a free agent.

Wouldn't it just be funny if Calgary is hedging on a cap and they then lose Ignilna because of it to a team like the Penguins.

Thats the problem with hard caps. I would find all sorts of fault if the Leafs went out and signed UFA's before the lockout, but they just resigned their own players. Isn't that was you are supposed to do in professional sports?

Dude they gave a 40 year old goalie 14 million.
 

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....annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyways now that were done talking how great/crappy the leafs are..

ill like any deal that makes hockey happen. nuff said.
 

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....annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyways now that were done talking how great/crappy the leafs are..

ill like any deal that makes hockey happen. nuff said.

if theres no cap, how would that help the nucks???? You have yet to experience UFA with your star players my friend.
 

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OilerFan4Life said:
Hey by the time this lockout is over it will be great-grandpa Belfour. Anyways if the leafs won the cup, it would be a heart warming feel good story for Ranger fans as it would prove, that you can actually Buy the stanley cup.

Yeah and Oilers fans will see what a real Stanley cup celebration looks like.
 

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if theres no cap, how would that help the nucks???? You have yet to experience UFA with your star players my friend.

The Canucks will be just fine. I hate being grouped into this troubled Canadian franchise talk. Vancouver was one of the only teams in the green last year and will continue to be profitable (thanks in large part to Brian Burke, god bless him). Do you notice the Canucks have a habit of locking players down to longterm contracts before they hit UFA status (ie/ Naslund, Bertuzzi, Jovo). If Naslund leaves to Sweden so be it, that opens up a bit of salary room and rumour has it Paul Kariya wouldn't mind playing at home on our first line. Thanks to the manueverings of Burke and now Nonis we are actually in fairly solid position even for a low cap figure. And before someone mentions how mere season ago Vancouver was in the threat of moving...you're right, they were. Thankfully this is now...not then.
 

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The Canucks will be just fine. I hate being grouped into this troubled Canadian franchise talk. Vancouver was one of the only teams in the green last year and will continue to be profitable (thanks in large part to Brian Burke, god bless him). Do you notice the Canucks have a habit of locking players down to longterm contracts before they hit UFA status (ie/ Naslund, Bertuzzi, Jovo). If Naslund leaves to Sweden so be it, that opens up a bit of salary room and rumour has it Paul Kariya wouldn't mind playing at home on our first line. Thanks to the manueverings of Burke and now Nonis we are actually in fairly solid position even for a low cap figure. And before someone mentions how mere season ago Vancouver was in the threat of moving...you're right, they were. Thankfully this is now...not then.

Eventually you will be called "the problem" Just can't win these days
 

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if theres no cap, how would that help the nucks???? You have yet to experience UFA with your star players my friend.
thats because they dealt the one they had before his contract was up (Mogilny)

they did have to deal with Bure refusing to sign a new deal.
they did deal with many of their support players leaving (Cassels, Lumme, Ronning, Lachance and Messier).
they have dealt with the same poor CDN $ too.

so whats EDM's excuse ?

dr
 

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NataSatan666 said:
Again until its signed, it's just speculation. I highly doubt the players will give in to a cap and still offer the rollbacks.

And since the owners have mentioned a 28 year old UFA start. Maybe you will have to be looking for another captain if he is still a free agent.

Wouldn't it just be funny if Calgary is hedging on a cap and they then lose Ignilna because of it to a team like the Penguins.

Thats the problem with hard caps. I would find all sorts of fault if the Leafs went out and signed UFA's before the lockout, but they just resigned their own players. Isn't that was you are supposed to do in professional sports?
I thought that's what this thread was about? The proposal's cap?

In that case, I highly doubt the owners will fold for a soft cap (eg. MLB type). With Gary Bettman's 75% veto power, he only needs 8 teams signing his song and dancing his dance ot get what he wants. A recent report claimed that 10 taems would permanently close its doors should the new CBA resemble anything close to this one. Guys like Mike Commodore have already vocally expresssed their concern over who is fighting for their rights, and when a few more cement heads figure out that will contraction occur (as a result of another terrible CBA) then I wouldn't be suprised to see Bob Goodenow get the boot. As it stands now, the owners are sitting at home patiently waiting while having the NHLPA bids against themselves, while lower level players start folding like a cheap tent when they realize how much money they're losing over a season (1.2 billion, collectively) and moreso, their career when they come back to camp with rust while minor leaguers and juniors stay active playing - not to mention the jobs lost due to contraction (eg. Statement from the Oilers yesterday).

Iginla... thanks for the update, tips. It was something all Flames fans realized when he wasn't signed before the CBA, and the UFA age rumoured to be lowered to 25. It was clearly evident that Sutter planned on leaving Iginla as an FA and seeing how things shaked out, as he went out ot sign other players (most significantly, Phaneuf) while leaving Iginla a FA. It was rumoured back in early Sept that Iginla and Sutter had a tenative deal, waiting for things to shake down, and would sign the deal after the CBA. But even if there is no agreement in place, a salary cap would be advantagous to teams with a lower payroll, meaning Calgary would have the best chance at signing him under their cap - oh, and not to mention that Iginla's wife just had a baby and his babysitting parents are in Alberta. So being captain of a Western conference champion team, being able to make the most money, living close to his family and no having to relocate a newborn... you really think I'm concerned?

The reason why the Leafs have no one to blame but themselves was that they threw outragous contracts knowing full well what Bettman was going for in the CBA. So while other teams started letting players go and not resigning their RFA's and putting their players on waivers so they could control their budget, the Leafs went out left field and blew a whole chunk of their salary. Yes yes, I know, retaining your players (that the Leafs actually bought, btw)... the Leafs were the ONLY team to do that. You see Colorado breaking the bank on Kariya? I believe Naslund was left unsigned, as is St Louis. Not to mention Iginla, who you already noted.
 

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DR said:
thats because they dealt the one they had before his contract was up (Mogilny)

they did have to deal with Bure refusing to sign a new deal.
they did deal with many of their support players leaving (Cassels, Lumme, Ronning, Lachance and Messier).
they have dealt with the same poor CDN $ too.

so whats EDM's excuse ?

dr

:joker: :handclap:

Apparently, the persecution complex is so high among some fans of "poorer" teams that they can't even see the obvious point made in the beginning of this thread: the rumored new CBA system actually will benefit their teams! It will be markedly superior ("fairer") compared to the current CBA.

It's a good thing! Check it out. Take a deep breath. And be happy if it comes to pass. Your teams, if managed properly, may very well succeed both on and off the ice, under the new (rumored) CBA.

Sorry if we can't guarantee you and your team anything more than that. ;)
 

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Trottier said:
:joker: :handclap:

Apparently, the persecution complex is so high among some fans of "poorer" teams that they can't even see the obvious point made in the beginning of this thread: the rumored new CBA system actually will benefit their teams! It will be markedly superior ("fairer") compared to the current CBA.

It's a good thing! Check it out. Take a deep breath. And be happy if it comes to pass. Your teams, if managed properly, may very well succeed both on and off the ice, under the new (rumored) CBA.

Sorry if we can't guarantee you and your team anything more than that. ;)
The rumoured deal is a virtual status quo, with the exception that it has given money back to the big spenders to create even more inflation.
 
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