Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: "JJ" - Jokinen signed. Any further moves?

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SPIRIT

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Surprise decline of 1m off the top: 8 years, 12.25m. Drai signs for 8 x 8.25.

... Wishful thinking, but, c'man!
 

Mr Positive

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the key one is Draisaitl. Everyone knows McDavid is signing. The uncertainty of Draisaitl offer sheets is what is really holding up our ability to sign FAs
 

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Both these young men are entitled to leverage their hard work and talent into getting the most money their agents can pry out of the Oilers. Especially McDavid given his generational talent and stature. That said, it's hard not to feel like these two are squandering a rare opportunity to build something special here. If these two sign at the numbers most commonly speculated it inevitably means Nuge, almost certainly Maroon and most likely Nurse are all gone sooner than later. It also guarantees no improvement to the D core given money already committed to Sekera, Russell and the Swedes. I fear this mix is not cup worthy. Possibly, but not nearly what it could've been had they taken modest discounts. Does a 120' yacht really make you happier than a 100'? Anyways, what will be will be. It just feels like opportunity lost.
 

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I think the group we have right now has a shot at the cup. Rather lose Maroon than Nuge. Rather lose Sekera (if possible) than Nurse, although we need both in the short term.
 

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I think the group we have right now has a shot at the cup. Rather lose Maroon than Nuge. Rather lose Sekera (if possible) than Nurse, although we need both in the short term.

we needed to take the next step by adding a legit top 3 RHD to the group and a faceoffs specialist.
Chia failed to do it and seems to be content with internal growth. .. we are on par with last season if not have taken a step back.

No shot at cups anytime soon!
 

ujju2

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we needed to take the next step by adding a legit top 3 RHD to the group.
Chia failed to do it and seems to be content with internal growth. .. we are on par with last season if not have taken a step back.

No shot at cups anytime soon!

Completely disagree.
 

LTIR

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Completely disagree.

enjoy your Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Benning, Nurse-Gryba Fayne until Sekera returns.

League average at best if not one of the worst groups in the league.
 

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enjoy your Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Benning, Nurse-Gryba Fayne until Sekera returns.

League average at best if not one of the worst groups in the league.

Before we go crazy the Oilers were top 10 in the NHL in GA last year. I'm not so worried about that, I'm worried about long term salary structure though.
 

Soundwave

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I still don't understand what Chiarelli was doing with the Pouliot buy out. Just use the guy for a year and then buy him out afterwards.
 

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enjoy your Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Benning, Nurse-Gryba Fayne until Sekera returns.

League average at best if not one of the worst groups in the league.

I mean, Pittsburgh just proved you don't need a stacked blue line to win especially come playoff time. But they found a way. Not saying EDM has the same success with their current roster but who knows. An extra year, more swagger. Guess we see.

They overachieved this past season, I think we can all agree on that. They were a projected bubble team and def surprised. So a small step back would not be out of the ordinary. The good news is (barring major injuries) that they are still a playoff team especially with how bad the Pacific. is. Baby steps. It'll come together.
 

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enjoy your Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Benning, Nurse-Gryba Fayne until Sekera returns.

League average at best if not one of the worst groups in the league.

Well... which is it wise one; league worst or average?


You keep using the word average...

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LTIR

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Before we go crazy the Oilers were top 10 in the NHL in GA last year. I'm not so worried about that, I'm worried about long term salary structure though.

salary structure for D isnt bad.

Nurse @ 3.3M and Benning @ 2.7M 4 year deals would lock our D up at 24M combined. In 4 yrs Sekera and Russell deals expire so Nurse and Benning can get their big pay then.
 

Mr Positive

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I still don't understand what Chiarelli was doing with the Pouliot buy out. Just use the guy for a year and then buy him out afterwards.
It seems that he has some plans for that cap space. Or, maybe he feels that only now do we have enough cap space to deter other teams from trying to offer sheet Drai.

Looking at our contract layout, the really challenging years will be 2018-20, and if we can get past then we'll be okay, so maybe he thinks that having 1.33 dead space in 2020-21 is okay. That extra year is the only difference between doing it now and a year from now, so if that extra 2.67 today prevents us from heading to bonus overage it could be worth it. We probably could not have justified adding anyone else major for this season without the extra space. So maybe because of buying out Pouliot now, Chia can now go after a player like Jagr or be active at the trade deadline.
 

Burnt Biscuits

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Both these young men are entitled to leverage their hard work and talent into getting the most money their agents can pry out of the Oilers. Especially McDavid given his generational talent and stature. That said, it's hard not to feel like these two are squandering a rare opportunity to build something special here. If these two sign at the numbers most commonly speculated it inevitably means Nuge, almost certainly Maroon and most likely Nurse are all gone sooner than later. It also guarantees no improvement to the D core given money already committed to Sekera, Russell and the Swedes. I fear this mix is not cup worthy. Possibly, but not nearly what it could've been had they taken modest discounts. Does a 120' yacht really make you happier than a 100'? Anyways, what will be will be. It just feels like opportunity lost.
Unless Nurse really kicks his offensive game into high gear we should be looking at a pretty affordable bridge deal, there is a strong precedent for that amongst d-men. I don't know why it is that impact young d-men tend to get short changed and forwards get paid in full coming off their ELC's, but it seems to be the way of things and that holds true for d-man that are significantly better than Nurse.
 

LTIR

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he was terrible. Not worth the money or roster spot

game 7 vs ANA with series on the line our 4th line was Pouliot-DD-Eberle averaging 11min each..

sadly none of them is with us anymore..
 

Soundwave

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he was terrible. Not worth the money or roster spot

Yeah so why compound the problem by adding 1.3 cap penalty for 4 more years, lol it's like wrestling with Leon to take 7.5 instead of 8.5 and then just throwing 1.3 out the window for half his cap term just cuz.

I'd rather have waited a year and dumped him on Vegas or Arizona with a pick next summer.
 

LTIR

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Yeah so why compound the problem by adding 1.3 cap penalty for 4 more years, lol it's like wrestling with Leon to take 7.5 instead of 8.5 and then just throwing 1.3 out the window for half his cap term just cuz.

I'd rather have waited a year and dumped him on Vegas or Arizona with a pick next summer.

we could have also burried him in the AHL ala Fayne last year... Not sure what Chia was thinking there.
Maybe thats his negotitating tactic... "listen Drai ... I would have given you 8.5 but look I have to pay Poo 1.3 every year. 7.5 left for you now !!"
 

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Oilers have a top 3 breakout in the league and therefore a top 10 D as a result.

Faceoffs don't matter than any other 50/50 puck battle in a game, in which the oilers do really well at. (As far as faceoffs their % vs the best is about -3/game, 1 of which is in their end. Which is a scoring chance differential of about -1 every 10 games and maybe -1 goals per season.). McDavid could be zero % on the draw and the oilers would still be ahead about 10 scoring chances/game while he's on the ice.
 

Mr Positive

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Yeah so why compound the problem by adding 1.3 cap penalty for 4 more years, lol it's like wrestling with Leon to take 7.5 instead of 8.5 and then just throwing 1.3 out the window for half his cap term just cuz.

I'd rather have waited a year and dumped him on Vegas or Arizona with a pick next summer.

A team like Arizona isn't taking Pouliot. They want cap hit without salary. Paying a guy 4 million to do nothing is a no-go for poor teams.

You are courting rich teams with that draft pick, and it would essentially be buying a draft pick for 4 million bucks. So you are talking about maybe a 1st rounder if not more because that is huge cash just for a pick. You'd also need a rich team with tons of cap space, a rarity. We would be EASILY extorted in that situation.
 

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we needed to take the next step by adding a legit top 3 RHD to the group and a faceoffs specialist.
Chia failed to do it and seems to be content with internal growth. .. we are on par with last season if not have taken a step back.

No shot at cups anytime soon!

On par with last season? We were a 103 point hockey team. It was the best regular season finish since 1986. Step away from the ledge.

They're focusing on what matters most right now...and that's securing their franchise player for the next eight years.
 

Soundwave

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Vegas has no D signed beyond this year, I think we can send Kris Russell to them next summer but will have to give them a pick to do so.

Russell + EDM 2nd or 3rd 2018 to Las Vegas.

Lucic and Sekera have to go eventually too I think, we can keep them for another 2 years maybe, but are likely going to have to move them as well.
 
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Spawn

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Vegas has no D signed beyond this year, I think we can send Kris Russell to them next summer but will have to give them a pick to do so.

Russell + EDM 2nd or 3rd 2018 to Las Vegas.

Lucic and Sekera have to go eventually too I think, we can keep them for another 2 years maybe, but are likely going to have to move them as well.

Russell has a NMC, he's not leaving Alberta to go play in Las Vegas.
 
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