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MessierII

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Ok. Throw out points per 60 then.

Last two years in 5vs5 situations.

Klefbom- 112 games played, 29 points

Petrovic- 115 games played, 30 points

Petrovic put those totals up in less minutes played too. I'm not even saying he's on Klefbom's level offensively, just that comparing him to Eric Gryba is very dumb. He obviously is doing something right to generate that kind of point production at ES.
He was a touted junior player so obviously he has some underlying skill but he's closer to Gryba than Klefbom. He hasn't managed to even be a regular in their lineup and he's 25.
 

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I don't do this too often but I think it's pretty obvious that Russell needs to be replaced with a right-shooting puck mover. Russell had a fantastic season no doubt and was worth every penny of his contract but he's a prime overpay candidate - hopefully this team learned it's lesson with a very similar player in Andrew Ference. With that in mind, here's a deal that I think makes a lot of sense for both sides at the draft.

To Edmonton
Tyson Barrie (3 yr left @ 5.5 AAV)
Joe Colborne (1 yr left @ 2.5 AAV)
2nd Round Pick 2017

To Colorado
Jordan Eberle (2 yr left @ 6 AAV)
Darnell Nurse (1 yr left @ 0.863 AAV + bonuses)
3rd Round Pick 2017

Nurse is about as polarizing a player as there is for Edmonton fans. Personally I question whether he has the hockey sense to be much more than a #4. We'd be selling low on Eberle no question but we'd also be buying low on Barrie and Colborne. Tyson Barrie would be a fantastic fit here and was involved in all kinds of rumours last year involving Edmonton (as was Colborne) prior to signing his extension. Colborne was a mess last year but so was everyone in Colorado and is a year removed from a 19-goal season - if he doesn't work out his contract is done after this year and the McDavid extension). After Nurse's bonuses the salaries are basically a wash. Eberle has close to zero-value at this point and would give Colorado the option of moving a Duchene/Landeskog for D if needed. I think there's enough value going back where Edmonton could swap one of their 2 3rd's to get a 2nd rounder that they lost for Chiarelli (or was it MacLellan?).

I think we can acquire a 2RD without having to trade Nurse. As for the hockey sense/IQ stuff, he just lacks experience. He's had 115 games, and could benefit from another season sheltered on the 3rd line, or at least playing with a mentor. If you watched the Anaheim series, it was clear they were taking advantage of our inexperienced D. They were very, very aggressive, and didn't give Nurse and friends much time to make a good first pass.

I'm not all that opposed to Barrie, but he's very high risk, high reward due to that contract.
 

Jet Walters

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He was a touted junior player so obviously he has some underlying skill but he's closer to Gryba than Klefbom. He hasn't managed to even be a regular in their lineup and he's 25.

A bit of a late bloomer sure, but he's definitely been a regular in the Panthers lineup since he was called up in the 14/15 season. He was hurt for the better part of this year.

He's less than a year and a half older than Klefbom. He is not a 6/7. He's going to be a fixture on a teams 2nd pair for the next half decade at least IMO.

Why do Panthers fans want to go 4/4 for expansion and risk lose a youngish 25 goal scorer like Reilly Smith if he's a fringe roster player??? You'd think they'd have a good idea what he brings. A lot better than either of us anyways.
 

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There's zero pressing need to create cap space for 17-18. Eberle expires July 2019.

It's just an all-around terrible idea to trade him without spending the money to adequately replace him. And too many of those options you're referencing don't do it.

R.I.P., Ebs.
 

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Are there any lateral trades for Eberle that make sense? Maybe to Nashville for Neal? Colorado for Landeskog?

For wingers? Probably not.

I like the idea of Justin Williams taking Eberle's role on a two year deal. He's a good soldier and he his only goal is to win. He would be a great mentor for the young guys in the room. A Lucic-RNH-Williams line is an interesting possibility.

I would be happy getting one or two young pieces with potential out of the Eberle deal. No need to go big fish hunting.
 

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I still think we should consider big game hunting on Tavares. I'm not sure if he's really keen on signing an extension with them and I don't think they have the assets to bring in players that legitimately make them a contender.

If Pittsburgh can make it work with Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel, I think we can with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Tavares.

Also have interest in Duchene and Landeskog from Colorado.

RNH, Puljujarvi, Nurse, Eberle, 2017 1st I'm willing to put on the table, lets see what we can get other than just role players.

Why would the Oilers go "big game hunting"? They are already a very good team with good chemistry. They just need some tweaks, beef up that 3rd line, find a complimentary scoring winger, 2nd level puckmoving Dman. Bonino, Eaves and Green. Names like that. Complimentary players who won't cost a lot to acquire or sign.

Forget Tavares, the Oilers don't have the assets to get him and quite frankly, they don't need a 3rd highly skilled center. Don't understand why you always bring up Duchene as well, the Oilers don't need Duchene and they don't have any expendable assets that the Avs would likely be interested in. Don't see them having much interest in Nurse, they would likely ask for Klefbom and the Oilers laugh that off.
 

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^^^^^^^^^
And especially not another skilled left shooting center. How would that PP setup look anyways? We need at least two RH shots this summer. Maybe three if Eberle is dealt, and preferably one of those a center.
 

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Eaves is definitely someone I want Chia to make an offer to if he doesn't come too expensive. His injury history worries me.
 

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For wingers? Probably not.

I like the idea of Justin Williams taking Eberle's role on a two year deal. He's a good soldier and he his only goal is to win. He would be a great mentor for the young guys in the room. A Lucic-RNH-Williams line is an interesting possibility.

I would be happy getting one or two young pieces with potential out of the Eberle deal. No need to go big fish hunting.

Agreed - I think Williams would be a good vet addition. Eaves as well would be good.
 

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Why would the Oilers go "big game hunting"? They are already a very good team with good chemistry. They just need some tweaks, beef up that 3rd line, find a complimentary scoring winger, 2nd level puckmoving Dman. Bonino, Eaves and Green. Names like that. Complimentary players who won't cost a lot to acquire or sign.

Forget Tavares, the Oilers don't have the assets to get him and quite frankly, they don't need a 3rd highly skilled center. Don't understand why you always bring up Duchene as well, the Oilers don't need Duchene and they don't have any expendable assets that the Avs would likely be interested in. Don't see them having much interest in Nurse, they would likely ask for Klefbom and the Oilers laugh that off.

They're not getting Oscar Klefbom from anyone else. You don't have to give them exactly what they want, you just have to outbid what else is on the market and often times it's a hell of a lot less than what HFBoards thinks that is.

We don't need chemistry, we have perfectly good guys in the locker room with McDavid, Draisaitl, etc. as the leadership group.

We need someone to score a damn goal or two from our third line. If RNH or Eberle score even one lousy goal a piece against the Ducks, odds are no one's posting in this thread because we're playing the Predators in the Conference Finals. But they couldn't even between them match the goal total of Drake Caggiula, a rookie.

Honestly we should have dumped Eberle for Phil Kessel when the Leafs were trying to move on. Smart GMs take advantage of situations like that, they don't sit back and say "well what we have is good enough". That trade has probably propelled Pittsburgh to at least one Cup, maybe two.

If we land a Tavares (a long shot, but IF), the question really becomes not "do we win a Cup?", but "how many?". Now wouldn't that be a nice problem to have.
 

Mr Positive

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Both Klefbom and Benning showed flashes of ability to be that 'complete' defenseman last season. Offering Benning a shot on a PP unit is how you develop that skill. Klefbom is already building on that ability. Blocking those players with big name free agents and quick fixes is how you hinder and limit development.

And once again, you're talking about fixing issues we had in a second round playoff series. There are 82 games before we get back there again. A playoff roster and a regular season roster are two significantly different things. Many things will change before we get back there.

Imo Benning stood out in a good way, because he at least has the mentality of an offensive Dman and feels most comfortable being a bit aggressive, while our other guys seem more like they are trying to teach themselves be that way. That group of adapting Dmen includes Klefbom, who's had inconsistency in that role.

But Benning was just a rookie. Imo him having as much success as he did speaks volumes of just how thirsty the team is for a Dman of his type. Imagine replacing him in those offensive situations with an established D like Green or even Barrie. Imagine having a D like that on the 2nd pairing with Benning on the 3rd pairing/ 2nd unit PP. Not only would we be better off, but Benning would have someone on the team to look up to. And btw, if we add a guy like Green to the D, he would be put into our systems, not compromising them. He would also be sheltered quite a bit here, and that means his weaknesses downplayed and his positives amplified.
 

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Imo Benning stood out in a good way, because he at least has the mentality of an offensive Dman and feels most comfortable being a bit aggressive, while our other guys seem more like they are trying to teach themselves be that way. That group of adapting Dmen includes Klefbom, who's had inconsistency in that role.

But Benning was just a rookie. Imo him having as much success as he did speaks volumes of just how thirsty the team is for a Dman of his type. Imagine replacing him in those offensive situations with an established D like Green or even Barrie. Imagine having a D like that on the 2nd pairing with Benning on the 3rd pairing/ 2nd unit PP. Not only would we be better off, but Benning would have someone on the team to look up to. And btw, if we add a guy like Green to the D, he would be put into our systems, not compromising them. He would also be sheltered quite a bit here, and that means his weaknesses downplayed and his positives amplified.

I imagine the other end of the spectrum. I'm sorry. I was all for it when our PP was struggling last season. But they fixed it and it can only be so effective. An offensive defenseman in a luxury the Oilers just can't afford at the expense of a stable defense.

We know this setup works as it is built. Matt Benning, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Adam Larsson, Griffin Reinhart...these guys are going to improve and all these guys need spots next year. So adding a guy like Barrie or Green means removing Kris Russell from the lineup. And if you did that at the trade deadline this year, there's a good chance the Oilers lose to San Jose in the first round because I don't think that's an upgrade.

A defenseman's job is to defend. If they can do that well anything extra is just gravy.
 

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I imagine the other end of the spectrum. I'm sorry. I was all for it when our PP was struggling last season. But they fixed it and it can only be so effective. An offensive defenseman in a luxury the Oilers just can't afford at the expense of a stable defense.

We know this setup works as it is built. Matt Benning, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Adam Larsson, Griffin Reinhart...these guys are going to improve and all these guys need spots next year. So adding a guy like Barrie or Green means removing Kris Russell from the lineup. And if you did that at the trade deadline this year, there's a good chance the Oilers lose to San Jose in the first round because I don't think that's an upgrade.

A defenseman's job is to defend. If they can do that well anything extra is just gravy.

All the best teams in the playoffs have better puck moving skills and scoring skills than our D group showed. I don't think they would have given Benning as big a role as we gave him either. You say a Dman should defend. I say they should play to their personality. Don't get Larsson and Klefbom to pretend to be OFD as much as we did (which Mclellan was forced to do b/c of lack of options). Let Larsson be mostly defensive, and Klefbom to be a two-way guy with decent offense. Let Sekera and Nurse be more conservative.

If you have a guy like Green or Barrie mixed in with that, the other Dmen and forwards will cover his defensive weaknesses, and he will reward them by moving the puck well in the offensive zone, and doing so better than they could (which covers their weaknesses)
 

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All the best teams in the playoffs have better puck moving skills and scoring skills than our D group showed. I don't think they would have given Benning as big a role as we gave him either. You say a Dman should defend. I say they should play to their personality. Don't get Larsson and Klefbom to pretend to be OFD as much as we did (which Mclellan was forced to do b/c of lack of options). Let Larsson be mostly defensive, and Klefbom to be a two-way guy with decent offense. Let Sekera and Nurse be more conservative.

If you have a guy like Green or Barrie mixed in with that, the other Dmen and forwards will cover his defensive weaknesses, and he will reward them by moving the puck well in the offensive zone, and doing so better than they could (which covers their weaknesses)

Sekera is not conservative, he was fifth in the NHL in turnovers. And I'm not really saying that as a bad thing, per se. But he is a puck-moving defenseman who has a tendency to get caught sometimes. Russell and Sekera fed off of each other very well this past season because they compliment each other.

Barrie or Green mixed in with that gives me flashbacks of Schultz. I don't want to go through with that again. I think Sekera pairs well with a guy who does what he's employed to do first and foremost: defend.

It's fine people have high expectations this summer, but my personal opinion is Peter Chiarelli would be more than happy to bring back those same six defensemen next year. 'Improving' on Kris Russell will take cap space, term and the assets you require to get the player. There's no reason why that can't be done next February should it be deemed necessary after half the regular season has been played and you're certain where your needs are heading into the playoff stretch. When you do it that way you aren't tying yourself into a potentially crippling deal.
 

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Sekera is not conservative, he was fifth in the NHL in turnovers. And I'm not really saying that as a bad thing, per se. But he is a puck-moving defenseman who has a tendency to get caught sometimes. Russell and Sekera fed off of each other very well this past season because they compliment each other.

Barrie or Green mixed in with that gives me flashbacks of Schultz. I don't want to go through with that again. I think Sekera pairs well with a guy who does what he's employed to do first and foremost: defend.

It's fine people have high expectations this summer, but my personal opinion is Peter Chiarelli would be more than happy to bring back those same six defensemen next year. 'Improving' on Kris Russell will take cap space, term and the assets you require to get the player. There's no reason why that can't be done next February should it be deemed necessary after half the regular season has been played and you're certain where your needs are heading into the playoff stretch. When you do it that way you aren't tying yourself into a potentially crippling deal.

If we had Schultz here now, we'd have success with him similar to what Pittsburgh is having with him. He's older now, more developed, and he's not playing on a weak D roster like he was when he was here. He's also playing an appropriate role now, and if he were here he'd be in that role, and not the #1 D we force him into before. But yes, of course there's too much history there so it's not happening. Just don't let the Schultz experience scare you away from other Dmen who play like him.

And I do think Sekera is conservative, still a puck mover, but not offensive minded. If he's got too many turnovers, it's because we have no offensive D so McLellan is telling him to be more aggressive than he's comfortable with, and using him in more PP minutes than he should get.
 

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To those who are incredibly opposed to Barrie or Green due to their being too risky offensively, I present you the Stanley-Cup winning (and currently contending to repeat) Penguins defence:

Healthy:
Dumoulin (Two-way/puck-moving) - Letang (Offensive/1D)
Maatta (Defensive with decent puckmoving) - Daley (Offensive/puck-moving)
Cole (Defensive) - Schultz (Offensive specialist)

Vs us if we replace Russell with an offensive 2RD:
Klefbom (Offensive/2-way) - Larsson (Defensive/2-way)
Sekera (2-Way/puck moving) - Barrie/Green/Etc(Offensive/2-Way)
Nurse (Defensive) - Benning (2-way/puck-moving)

The comparables in overall talent are not exact, but given the similarity in terms of the roles filled, I'd like to hear more as to why our line-up with more puck-moving is somehow going to be a defensive disaster when adding puck-moving has clearly worked very well for the Pens. I will also add that all 6 of the Pens defencemen, when healthy, have much superior puck moving to Russell, Nurse (50% of the time), and Benning (70% of the time).
 

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Eaves is too expensive, I like his game but not for the price.

What's his price? He's 33 years old and the highest his cap hit has been is $1.4M.

Obviously his best season to date he is going to get a big raise, but the kind of money and term he ends up with will be interesting.
 
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