Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on

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  1. Glen Sathers Cigar

    Glen Sathers Cigar Sather 4 Ever

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    The Rangers got a 2nd rounder + Rykov for a guy scratched 2 games into playoffs.

    And a 3rd Rounder + O'Gara for a guy (Holden) who has been scratched since the start of the playoffs.

    Good stuff there. On Grabner, he's just not fitting in the NJD system for whatever reason. All the qualms about AV, Grabner should follow him to his next job. He fits AV's counter attack system perfect because of how much the offense is predicated on creating odd man rushes off of turnovers.
     
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  2. Go Away Staal

    Go Away Staal #tradezucc

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    Assuming AV ends up in Dallas he'd fit in well there with everything else they have.

    Now what AV gets out of that roster is a completely different question.
     
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    Beacon Embrace the tank

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    The odds that Chytil, Lias and Howden all make it this year, and one of them even becomes a second liner, are less than zero. There's also only a 6% chance of getting Dahlin. Lindgren also isn't making it this season. He looks like a solid middle pair AHLer right now, which is excellent considering that he was younger than almost everyone else in the AHL and had no pro experience prior to his ATO. It's a good place for a kid to start at, but let's not pretend that he can play in the NHL. He'd get humiliated. Sproul right now is a better player than Lindgren. Not a better prospect because he's 5 years younger, but if you had to choose today whom to play in Game 7 of SCF and your only options are Lindgren or Sproul, any coach will take Sproul.
     
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  4. Gardner McKay

    Gardner McKay You had to be there

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    I'm assuming a SCF loss, followed by an ECF loss, followed by a downward spiral.
     
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  5. Edge

    Edge Kris King's Ghost

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    Which was always my concern when people wanted to sign him in a post-AV world for the Rangers.

    Grabner was tailor-made for the this past team. The next one? Not quite so sure.
     
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    Go Away Staal #tradezucc

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    If Dallas keeps some of Hitch's habits and combines them with AV hockey like the Rangers did when he first got here (replace Hitch with Torts) they're going to be good.

    The only difference is AV would be going from prime Hank to... Ben Bishop :laugh:

    AV will have his best success as an assistant going forward. I don't think there is any doubt that he lands another HC gig, but after that flames out (and it will, he sucks) I can totally see him catching on in a Jaques Martin esque roll and doing good things.
     
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    I still don't understand how AV, who amassed 309 PIMs between IHL/NHL in one season, was such a turn the other cheek advocate. Getting on Kreider for going after Stamkos was ridiculous. Face punching continues to become reduced in the league, but I don't see team toughness going away anytime soon.
     
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    Letting AV coach a team where the captain and one of two star forwards is more on the aggressive side of things seems like it's destined to turn into a bad situation. I can't imagine he and Benn seeing eye to eye at all.

    Also, I think that D would look really ugly with AV at the helm. Hamhuis and Methot are getting a little long in the tooth and the d as a unit has only really done well under Hitchcock who is notoriously d conscious.
     
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    Lindberg Cheese Report to Carousel

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    Hurts me every time I see your Ridley avatar and that trade....
     
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    NJD miscalculated where Grabner should fit into the line up. He's a 4th liner + PK first, who has speed and smarts to create breakaways for himself. Putting Grabner in top 6 is setting him and the whole line for a failure.
     
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  11. jas

    jas Unsatisfied

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    Yeah, but did you see how much he got bent over in the McDonagh deal?
     
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    Phoicon Take these broken wings and learn to fly again.

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    Can´t tell whether you are sarcastic or serious? I think it´s too early to tell whether we won or lost that one. Maybe we could have done better? But who knows...
     
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    You and me both. I still cringe every time I hear the goal siren in DC from the '90 & '91 playoffs. First jersey with the name on the back I had was Ridley.
     
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    jas Unsatisfied

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    Just see who my 'likes' are.
     
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    RGY Kreid or Die

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    I dont think he got bent over. I think the second 1st rounder should have been guaranteed. Hard to say they failed by getting Hajek and Howden. Maybe you could say they should have came away with Foote, but these prospects are not developed and who is to say Hajek wont end up being the best defenseman of the group of the Lightning’s prospects. If you tell me they should have came away with Sergachev well then that could be an argument I guess, but it doesnt seem like Toronto/Boston put up the serious interest to force Tampa to include Sergachev. Although you can see Toronto’s defense being severely overwhelmed. I think the organization soured big time on Miller and wanted to move on from him with a new group...Namestnikov is a good player who plays hard..he can be part of the new group or moved for more assets.

    Gorton did a good job at the deadline. Now they need to hit on their selections at the draft.
     
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    jas Unsatisfied

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    Dammit, I did need a sarcasm smilie.
     
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    RGY Kreid or Die

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    I figured you were being sarcastic, but I wanted to discuss anyways because there are obviously people who do feel this way.
     
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  18. Edge

    Edge Kris King's Ghost

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    Seriously, what kind of name is Libor? Or Howden for that matter?

    We need good biblical names --- like Adam or Michael or Radek.
     
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    jas Unsatisfied

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    I want to know why he didn't get Kucherov back let alone Sergachev.

    Gorts asleep at the wheel.
     
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    Then he said something about pick #3 being the same as pick #8, which he should not have said since Hank is not the GM of the NYR
     
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    Some people speculated that he took shots at AV with those "follow the process" comments that he would always make about players. Sounds like AV overpromised and underdelivered while hank worked his tail off to keep this team afloat and he's pissed
     
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    If he is the next Reilly Smith, I'd like to keep him........
     
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    Edge Kris King's Ghost

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    I feel the Rangers received fair value or better in most of their trades (obviously time will tell if it actually works out).

    I'm with you in that I would've liked the second 1st rounder to have a lower threshold - such as making the SCF or even the ECF.

    It's interesting that you mention the Hajek/Foote thing. Based on reports, part of me has to wonder if the Rangers liked him as much or more than Foote. At the very least, I think it was probably closer than most realized prior to the trade.

    The only part I wasn't as big of a fan on was the Names-Miller component. I felt we could've received more there, though I do agree that it was obvious that the team was intent on moving on without Miller. I think the Brooks article, and some of the (lack) of reaction by teammates was somewhat telling.

    But I feel the McD portion was about on par with what they could expect. I was pretty happy with it. Overall, I'd give the Tampa deal a B.

    I'd give an A-minus to both the NJ and Boston deals.
     
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    Edge Kris King's Ghost

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    Don't worry, there will be a whole new round of doubt when we don't land Heiskanen for Zucc.
     
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  25. Gardner McKay

    Gardner McKay You had to be there

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    Respectfully, I disagree. AV always had his tough guy in the line up, much to the detriment of the team. Also, I think toughness isn't going away, I believe it is almost gone. Any team that dresses a Tanner Glass or Cody McLeod at this point is just putting themselves at a disadvantage. The agitator has replaced the tough guy and that is what the Rangers actually lacked. The team wasn't vanilla because of #toffness, they were vanilla because they had no snarl, no grit, no drive. You need guys who aren't afraid to play on the line. The problem is... AV didn't want those players. The hard hits, the skirmishes, the heated moments of the game, that is what helps a team bond, they one of many things that help keep a team together.

    Kreider could be that guy but AV effectively neutered him. Not we are 100% to get Kovalchuk or that he will still be here when we turn things around, but even Ilya was fairly good about stuff like that. If you can get Kreider to return to his old form and maybe a few more players like him (big body, strong, play on the edge), it will go a long way. Miller was one of those guys but depending on what you want to believe, other things outweighed that benefit. A guy like Tom Wilson would be perfect. He constantly plays right on the edge.

    I know a lot of people here hated Torts and that is fair. But you know what, his teams always competed. His teams always played on the edge. His teams never half assed it like AV's teams did as of late. Why? The players had enough respect for their coach and for each other that they went out there every night and gave it their all.
     
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