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The Leafs are trading Bozak for Nick Holden and a mid round pick? The Leafs want to make the playoffs again and win a few rounds.
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NYR Viper
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Go out and sign John Mitchell or Daniel Winnik. Promote Nick Jensen
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I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd look into flipping Holden for Ryan Spooner. I think he'd be a good fit in this system and he can slide out to wing if necessary. He has good pace and is a slippery play maker that can find guys in space. Seems like another guy the Bruins might sell low on because he doesn't fit in perfectly with their style of play.
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I agree on this one. I'm a pretty big Spooner fan. Seems similar to Reilly Smith honestly.
Irishguy42
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I think he's worth a third. He had a career year offensively, and managements across the league will notice.
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He shot like 80% for a month. A third-rounder I could see. Spooner, or Bozak? Never.
I disagree, but I could be wrong.
NYR Viper
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I'm not talking a 1st rounder, but a 3rd + 4th? I think that's do-able for a guy who plays both sides and can play in all situations. He proved he is a solid #5 last year with the capability to move up and play more minutes if needed.
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Holden had periods of inconsistency and he seemed to burn out at the end and was awful paired with Staal in the playoffs. That said for a $1.6 mil cap hit--11 goals and 34 points in 80 games with sometimes pretty decent defense and more often than not playing on the wrong side--that's not bad. IMO he'd be a good fit for a lot of teams. To me he's a good chip to try and trade. IMO he'd fit into the top four of a bunch of teams--they might be more mediocre non-playoff teams but even so.
On Winnik--nothing against him personally but he's 32--if you sign--it's for only one year and his playoff numbers are bad. 0 goals and 3 assists in 58 games. I mean Tanner Glass has 2 goals and 4 assists in 67. Just saying. Personally rather than sign him--I'd invite him to camp to see if he could win a job.
On Winnik--nothing against him personally but he's 32--if you sign--it's for only one year and his playoff numbers are bad. 0 goals and 3 assists in 58 games. I mean Tanner Glass has 2 goals and 4 assists in 67. Just saying. Personally rather than sign him--I'd invite him to camp to see if he could win a job.
Irishguy42
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We've seen examples of SH% being overvalued by GMs a lot of times before.
I think you're underrating how favorably GMs will look at his time with the Rangers.
Gardner McKay
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GM's and as well fans. Half of our fanbase was ready to give our entire team to San Jose in exchange for Hertl. He had an absurd shooting % for a few months. Since then he has come down to earth and is showing what he really is, a middle 6 forward.
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Yeah, I totally agree that Holden's value is approx a 3rd or 4th round pick. But we're also throwing names like Bozak and Spooner, and I don't get that at all. Not without a pretty significant add from us.
I tend to overestimate GM competency, yes
Oscar Lindberg
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I would guess Holden has more value to GM's than we give him credit for
He's a 5/6 defenseman that plays both sides, and could move up to the top 4 in a pinch (wouldn't recommend but). And he's cheap
Hockey commentators were arguing last season Holden was the best acquisition Gorton made last summer, so I would assume GM's maybe feel similar
He's a 5/6 defenseman that plays both sides, and could move up to the top 4 in a pinch (wouldn't recommend but). And he's cheap
Hockey commentators were arguing last season Holden was the best acquisition Gorton made last summer, so I would assume GM's maybe feel similar
Lion Hound
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Realistically, Holden is a 30 Year old undrafted player with one good season under his belt. Contract is affordable. Has good size. But, realistically what is his worth? 4th rounder, yes. 3rd rounder, possibly if a team really needs a guy.
He proved his worth in NY, but can he do it again? With Staal here still Holden will likely be buried on the depth chart.
He proved his worth in NY, but can he do it again? With Staal here still Holden will likely be buried on the depth chart.
Vinny DeAngelo
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Ok, I looked it up. It wasn't Sakic, but Roy.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/10/holden-trade-departure.html
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/10/holden-trade-departure.html
silverfish
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not inaccurate.
However, highest offers were earlier on before he had at least 2 severe injuries I can remember, possibly more.
Last year he had severe knee issues
year before year before that, I might be wrong, but think it was some kind of severe abdominal /muscles strain/pull/tear
not sure about any concussions, etc
fair to upgrade his status now
however, pre injuries, he was a first liner, and he may yet eventually return to that form
then again, all injuries are to some extent a crap shoot
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If Sakic would have said that, he would've asked for a 1st, Skjei, Buchnevich and Zuccarello (50% retained)
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That article tho...
The line that says "Keeping Barrie over Holden is what caused Roy to quit"...
Are you ****ing kidding me Roy? Get ****ed, please and thank you.
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Given what Sakic is asking for some of his pieces, I'll take Roy's evaluation over Sakic's.
Gardner McKay
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None of the injuries have to do with him having an unsustainable shooting %. The guy you and others wanted to trade the farm for.
Shooting % can make meh players look good. Holden and Hertl are examples of that.
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