Proposal: ROR to Montreal proposal

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Would Buffalo fans agree to this trade?

To BUFFALO:
Arturri Lehkonen, 22 (839k for 1 more year then RFA)
Nikita Scherbak, 22 (863k for 1 more year then RFA)
Michael McCarron, 23 (currently RFA)
Charlie Lindgren, 24 (750k for 3 more years, then UFA)
Montreal's 2nd round pick 2018
Montreal's 3rd round pick 2019

To MONTREAL:
Ryan O'Reilly, 27 (7.5M for 5 more years, then UFA)
Jason Pominville, 35 (5,6M for 1 more year, then UFA)

The main piece coming back to Buffalo is obviously Lehkonen, a young goal scorer who plays a responsible 2-way game and has the potential to be a 30 goal scorer in this league. He already is a legit top-6 player. Buffalo gets 3 young forwards to add to their depth, as they try to surround Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Nylander, Girgensons, Rodrigues, Asplund, Pu, etc. with quality players. They also get to ditch Pominville's contract; it creates a roster spot for a younger player. Scherbak holds the second most value in this deal, a talented winger who has improved slowly but steadily since being drafted. He projects as a top-9 winger who may be able to score 50 pts one day. The Sabres, rumoured to be ditching Lehner, also get an NHL-ready tender in Lindgren, whom paired with Ullmark, gives the Sabres an interesting young duo between the pipes that can grow together. With Dahlin and Ristolainen on the backend, this deal basically sets up the Sabres very well on the long-term, giving them young quality depth at every single position, leaving only a few minor tweaks here and there before they become real contenders. Montreal's 2nd in 2018 is also very early and could become a great asset for the Sabres down the road.

Montreal gives up a lot of depth, but acquire the best player in the deal. His cap hit is a bit high, but Montreal can easily absorb it right now, and the cap will rise in the coming years. The Habs have lacked a #1 C forever, and ROR can finally slot into that spot. Bergevin will love his attitude/character and competitiveness, and it will allow for Drouin to switch back to wing, given the Habs can make Bozak or Stastny sign a contract this summer, as a stopgap for Poehling. I have the Habs drafting a D like Bouchard/Hughes/Dobson with their 1st, which would leave Pacioretty/Drouin/Domi/ROR/Gallagher/Bozak as their top-6 up front, with Danault, Byron, Hudon on the 3rd and De La Rose, A.Shaw and Pominville on the 4th. It is respectable for the time being. On D, their new guy like Dobson with Mete and Juulsen gives them a future top-3 of high caliber, to go along with the veterans Weber and Petry. The Habs want to compete while still maintening a young roster, and they will be doing that even though they do get rid of some young depth in this trade. They will have a solid mix of veterans and kids, a talented lineup with potential. Of course the key is Price's play, and that's very much up in the air right now.
 

Mattilaus

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We don't want a bag of spare parts for ROR and adding more and more spare parts doesn't change that. You didn't include the 3rd or mete so this deal doesn't hurt to you, if it doesn't hurt it isn't good enough.
 

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neutral fan, that's terrible for Buffalo. Montreal has a serious lack of premium assets, if you want a guy of ROR's ilk it's going to involve the 3OA or maybe Drouin
 

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There are certainly many things in the OP. Yep, look at the sheer amount of stuff coming from Montreal.

There’s absolutely no reason for the Sabres to accept a deal like this. Why on earth would they.
 
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Let's pretend he has the literal exact same value as he had a couple of years ago, it was a young NHL ready defenseman (Zadorov), a close to NHL ready good forward prospect (Grigorenko), another good prospect (Compher) and a high 2nd rounder. Using what Montreal has, you'd probably see Mete and the #35 pick as 2 pieces in the trade. Scherbak is probably the closest thing Montreal has to a Grigorenko type of asset, although I think Grigorenko in 2015 is more valuable than Scherbak today. And for the other good prospect, maybe Brook?

So that puts you at Mete, Brook, Scherbak and pick #35 for ROR, which I'm not even sure if that cuts it. I just don't think Montreal has the reasonable assets they'd trade to pull of ROR.
 

UnleashRasmus

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I like pieces of this, however McCarron has not value, and we're fine holding onto Pommer for a season for that offer. This will have to include 1-3 for anything to matriculate at the minimum. At least you didn't start off with Pacioretty for O'Reilly.
 

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Lehkonen would not be the main piece in a ror trade, and scherbak as a higher ceilling than lehk.

Im not realy interrested in RoR since it would cost too much future and he doesn’t put us contenders. Only way i would trade for RoR would be with pacioretty as the main pieces and i realy don’t see buffalo interested in him!
 
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Would Buffalo fans agree to this trade?

To BUFFALO:
Arturri Lehkonen, 22 (839k for 1 more year then RFA)
Nikita Scherbak, 22 (863k for 1 more year then RFA)
Michael McCarron, 23 (currently RFA)
Charlie Lindgren, 24 (750k for 3 more years, then UFA)
Montreal's 2nd round pick 2018
Montreal's 3rd round pick 2019

To MONTREAL:
Ryan O'Reilly, 27 (7.5M for 5 more years, then UFA)
Jason Pominville, 35 (5,6M for 1 more year, then UFA)

The main piece coming back to Buffalo is obviously Lehkonen, a young goal scorer who plays a responsible 2-way game and has the potential to be a 30 goal scorer in this league. He already is a legit top-6 player. Buffalo gets 3 young forwards to add to their depth, as they try to surround Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Nylander, Girgensons, Rodrigues, Asplund, Pu, etc. with quality players. They also get to ditch Pominville's contract; it creates a roster spot for a younger player. Scherbak holds the second most value in this deal, a talented winger who has improved slowly but steadily since being drafted. He projects as a top-9 winger who may be able to score 50 pts one day. The Sabres, rumoured to be ditching Lehner, also get an NHL-ready tender in Lindgren, whom paired with Ullmark, gives the Sabres an interesting young duo between the pipes that can grow together. With Dahlin and Ristolainen on the backend, this deal basically sets up the Sabres very well on the long-term, giving them young quality depth at every single position, leaving only a few minor tweaks here and there before they become real contenders. Montreal's 2nd in 2018 is also very early and could become a great asset for the Sabres down the road.

Montreal gives up a lot of depth, but acquire the best player in the deal. His cap hit is a bit high, but Montreal can easily absorb it right now, and the cap will rise in the coming years. The Habs have lacked a #1 C forever, and ROR can finally slot into that spot. Bergevin will love his attitude/character and competitiveness, and it will allow for Drouin to switch back to wing, given the Habs can make Bozak or Stastny sign a contract this summer, as a stopgap for Poehling. I have the Habs drafting a D like Bouchard/Hughes/Dobson with their 1st, which would leave Pacioretty/Drouin/Domi/ROR/Gallagher/Bozak as their top-6 up front, with Danault, Byron, Hudon on the 3rd and De La Rose, A.Shaw and Pominville on the 4th. It is respectable for the time being. On D, their new guy like Dobson with Mete and Juulsen gives them a future top-3 of high caliber, to go along with the veterans Weber and Petry. The Habs want to compete while still maintening a young roster, and they will be doing that even though they do get rid of some young depth in this trade. They will have a solid mix of veterans and kids, a talented lineup with potential. Of course the key is Price's play, and that's very much up in the air right now.
The main piece going back to Buffalo was NOT obvious. And therein lies the problem.
 
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Gabrielor

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hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha.

the laugh I just got from the op is worth more than that package.
 
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AndreRoy

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Please stop posting, Habs fans. You’ve gone from annoying to embarrassing to just plain sad at this point.
 

La Cosa Nostra

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Ok, counter

#3+Drouin

For

Justin Bailey
Nic Baptiste
Jake McCabe
#32

Far better offer then what you are attempting.

Montreal has nothing to offer for RoR except #3. If you want something around RoR+32 for #3 then that's the only possible deal.
 

Brobust

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Lehkonen is the only worthwhile asset being offered and he's coming off a brutal season.
 

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ROR + 2019 BUF 2nd for 2018 3rd OA + Pacioretty.

No conditions on Patches. Buffalo trades their 2nd rounder because they have San Jose’s 1st, and Montreal has too many 2nds from this year already.

ROR becomes the center for Montreal and Buffalo gives Pacioretty a chance on their team, replacing the goal scoring that E. Kane brought. If Buffalo doesn’t play well and/or Patches doesn’t re-sign, then they can trade him at the deadline.
 

firstemperor

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If that was the quantity grade B/C prospect crap that ROR got traded for, I'm sure about 25-29 teams would match that easily, including mines.

Disappointing coming from a veteran poster.
 

Number 57

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Lehkonen is getting very underrated here, sure he's not a sexy name like Sergachev but the kid is gonna be a 30-goal scorer and will be a major part of Buffalo's top-6. He is damn good. It hurts the Habs to give him up. He is only 22 and O'Reilly is 27, he will fit much better with Buffalo's young core. I understand people are throwing around Zadorov's name from the other trade with Colorado, but who's to say Lehkonen doesn't developp into an equal player to Zadorov? One poster in this thread also just mentionned Scherbak may have higher ceiling than Lehkonen. So you're getting two potential 55-60 pts wingers who are still extremely young, you're getting a potential starter in Lindgren and you're getting a high second round pick. I mean would you rather have Compher and Grigorenko than this?

And also what team out there has the cap space and the desire to acquire ROR while giving up a top-5 pick or a Drouin-esque player?

A package highlighted by a Lehkonen-type player is not a bad deal at all and will likely be in the ballpark for ROR. I mean it was rumoured Pittsburgh only offered something like Rust+Simon for Max Domi. Teams are not lining up to overpay for players.

If you think about it Lehkonen would likely be a mid-1st round pick in a re-draft. So you're getting a mid-1st and you're piling on Scherbak, Lindgren and a high 2nd to that. That's good value for ROR.
 

Captain97

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I'll play the he's close to same value as when he was first traded game.

Juulsen (zadorov, zadorov was drafted higher but Juulsen played about 20 min a game last year when Weber was out, would be Buffalo's number 4 Dman next year.)
Scherbak (grigorenko)
Compher (Poehling or Brook)
35th overall
 

go4hockey

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Hey Buffalo we will take ROR and you take this big bag of spare parts... you wrote a novel about that awful offer. Buffalo clearly wouldn’t even consider that offer.
 
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