Rogers Place Construction :: Part VI: Mod warning #1

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s7ark

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Putting the warning in right now, so no one can claim they weren't warned. This thread is very often taken off topic. Think carefully about what you are posting before hitting submit. If your post is taking the thread off topic, you might be banned.

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The progress has been nothing short of spectacular:

2 years ago today:
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1 year ago:
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Today:
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http://www.rogersplace.com/time-lapse/

Holy ****, well done to all in involved. Seriously, amazing progress.

....Now blow up the Baccarat please.

Ahh right, thanks for that.

I have no idea what the build time is for a big awesome arena project like this is typically. The Empire State Building was built in 1 year right? :popcorn:

It was. Of course they had 3,400 workers, little labour laws, and only 5 deaths! :popcorn:


(I'm like 99.5% sure you were being sarcastic, though... :laugh:)

I don't know what the Shaking the head has to do with me being wrong, but I did say at the beginning I know that everyone can't be doing the same job. There's going to be people who are waiting for the next step the prep it. DOn't think it was necessary to put that emote in :P

And I bet, even adjusted for inflation, their Labour costs are ALOT lower then PCL's on this arena project, :laugh:

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were making an erroneous commentary on the manpower requirements of the work.

No problem! Just a misunderstanding. It happens :thumbu:

I actually have respect for the trades and construction crew. I know how hard it can be to do any of those jobs.
 

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Life expectancy of these threads has been about 4 months...
That being said, Part VII Should be ready for launch! Getting excited to step foot in this building!
 

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only in HfOil where you have mod warnings in an arena construction thread ..

We will all be fighting over the types of bulbs they will install in the arena soon enough!!
 

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only in HfOil where you have mod warnings in an arena construction thread ..

We will all be fighting over the types of bulbs they will install in the arena soon enough!!

Speaking of lighting I wonder what kind of atmosphere the rink will have with regards to lighting. I went to a basketball game at Staples Center and it seemed like the court was incredibly well lit up and the stands were fairly dark, where as at Rexall, the ice is obviously lit up more but the seats are also very well lit.
 

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only in HfOil where you have mod warnings in an arena construction thread ..

We will all be fighting over the types of bulbs they will install in the arena soon enough!!

I'm all in for single strings of exposed wiring hanging loosely all over the joint. The lights of course will be the dim, old 60 W incandescent bulbs that flicker now and then. This way they can hire just about anyone off the streets to change the bulbs and it won't suck too much cash out of Katz's fat wallet. :sarcasm:
 

alphahelix

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Speaking of lighting I wonder what kind of atmosphere the rink will have with regards to lighting. I went to a basketball game at Staples Center and it seemed like the court was incredibly well lit up and the stands were fairly dark, where as at Rexall, the ice is obviously lit up more but the seats are also very well lit.

They do that intentionally, they can light it otherwise if they wish. I forget what its called, its a term people started throwing around a couple years ago -- I think its "cinematic lighting" or "theatre lighting" or something. Some people love it some people hate it... As long as there's the industrial equivalent of a dimmer switch (I'm sure all the lights will be computer controlled and have tons of options based on configuration) they'll be able to do that if they want to.
 

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They do that intentionally, they can light it otherwise if they wish. I forget what its called, its a term people started throwing around a couple years ago -- I think its "cinematic lighting" or "theatre lighting" or something. Some people love it some people hate it... As long as there's the industrial equivalent of a dimmer switch (I'm sure all the lights will be computer controlled and have tons of options based on configuration) they'll be able to do that if they want to.

Reminds me of working on old drilling rigs at 30 or 40 below and having nothing but single strings of dim old bulbs strung around the rig. Nothing cinematic about it. I still get chills down my spine thinking about working in those conditions. Dark and gloomy and often wet from the drilling fluid too. Coveralls frozen solid and freezing hands. Good Times!
 

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I just can't see PCL letting anything stop them from getting it done on time.
going to be a huge feather in their cap.
 

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It'll get done on time. They'll do everything they can to get back on schedule if they actually fall behind schedule. They won't let this become an embarrassment for them.
 

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Not sure if it has been discussed already or mentioned, but is the winter garden accessible to the public when there is no event occurring at Rogers Place?

And for personal curiosity, is the winter garden still a "venue space" that is rentable? I seem to recall it being planned for such a use, but can't find details about it anymore.
 

Kerricthebig

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Not sure if it has been discussed already or mentioned, but is the winter garden accessible to the public when there is no event occurring at Rogers Place?

And for personal curiosity, is the winter garden still a "venue space" that is rentable? I seem to recall it being planned for such a use, but can't find details about it anymore.

I don't remember the winter garden ever being described as a rentable venue space.

It would think it will be accessible to the public as it will likely be the main access to the community rink, casino, etc.
 

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Not sure if it has been discussed already or mentioned, but is the winter garden accessible to the public when there is no event occurring at Rogers Place?

And for personal curiosity, is the winter garden still a "venue space" that is rentable? I seem to recall it being planned for such a use, but can't find details about it anymore.

It is considered a public area and has a linked corridor to the back of the arena/LRT station. Not sure about being for rent, if it is a public space, you could hold things there in theory with a permit (just guessing).
 

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When Rogers Place Opens…Parking Downtown
BY JODI TAUBER APR 20, 2016

While it’s true that a lot of new parking spaces aren’t being built as part of Rogers Place, there’s a very simple reason why. It didn’t need it.

That is because there will be more than 18,000 parking stalls within easy walking distance of Rogers Place – nearly half of them are within a five-minute walk and the others are within a ten-minute walk. Plus with lots of other options like transit and LRT, a major event at Rogers Place is only expected to use 6,000 stalls.

Right now most Downtown parking stalls sit empty in the evenings and weekend. This is one of the big advantages of having a Downtown arena. Rather than having to build acres of new parking lots, Rogers Place takes advantage of the many parking facilities that already exist Downtown.
https://transformingedmonton.ca/when-rogers-place-opens-parking-downtown/
www.edmonton.ca
 
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When I was there last year, I had a hard time finding parking in that area (going to Rostizado/Mercer). It was a pain in the ass. Add 20,000 people to that -- Yeah.

When the district becomes more popular and other things open, and you have cineplex showtimes coinciding with game time and people eating out and living in the area and parking on the street... YEAH. GOOD LUCK with your BS parking math, Edmonton.

Plus those crappy stalls near the arena are probably going to be going for like 200 bucks a night.

Good job on the LRT terminal though.
 

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When I was there last year, I had a hard time finding parking in that area (going to Rostizado/Mercer). It was a pain in the ass. Add 20,000 people to that -- Yeah.

When the district becomes more popular and other things open, and you have cineplex showtimes coinciding with game time and people eating out and living in the area and parking on the street... YEAH. GOOD LUCK with your BS parking math, Edmonton.

Plus those crappy stalls near the arena are probably going to be going for like 200 bucks a night.

Good job on the LRT terminal though.

I agree. Sure there is parking, but who the hell wants to walk when it's -30? There was always an issue here with parking and they deflected it because they believe people are going to use our wonderful transit and walk in the winter.

Especially out of towners.
 

oiler-dude

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When I was there last year, I had a hard time finding parking in that area (going to Rostizado/Mercer). It was a pain in the ass. Add 20,000 people to that -- Yeah.

When the district becomes more popular and other things open, and you have cineplex showtimes coinciding with game time and people eating out and living in the area and parking on the street... YEAH. GOOD LUCK with your BS parking math, Edmonton.

Plus those crappy stalls near the arena are probably going to be going for like 200 bucks a night.

Good job on the LRT terminal though.

I find that a little tough to believe, unless you were trying to park right out in front - or for free, which is a pointless exercise in a big city. Within a block and a half there are 3 large parkades and about 4 surface lots.

joestevens29 said:
I agree. Sure there is parking, but who the hell wants to walk when it's -30? There was always an issue here with parking and they deflected it because they believe people are going to use our wonderful transit and walk in the winter.

Especially out of towners.

Well, the out of towners walk at -30 now when they park at Rexall, so they don't seem to mind.

It's going to be congested and busy when an event sets out, but it is now too. I drove to Rexall once last season because I had somewhere to be after, so I figured it would be good to have my car. It took me 45 minutes to get into the parking lot at Northlands from Gretzky Northbound. Then I walked 15 minutes to the doors.
 

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I find that a little tough to believe, unless you were trying to park right out in front - or for free, which is a pointless exercise in a big city. Within a block and a half there are 3 large parkades and about 4 surface lots.



Well, the out of towners walk at -30 now when they park at Rexall, so they don't seem to mind.

It's going to be congested and busy when an event sets out, but it is now too. I drove to Rexall once last season because I had somewhere to be after, so I figured it would be good to have my car. It took me 45 minutes to get into the parking lot at Northlands from Gretzky Northbound. Then I walked 15 minutes to the doors.
Before posting I want to clarify this is on topic right? Parking?Rexall Construction with Parking parkade/access being part of construction?

We're season seats holders at the Citadel. Friday nights. Have been for years. I can confirm when events are going on at Winspear, or even SCC the parking gets filled up. We've ended up having to go to all the levels to try to find a spot. But the biggest thing is those parkades (citadel/Library parkade are poorly designed for exits. It can take a long time to get out of there when everybody is trying to exit and with exits not having any proprietary signalling even once you do get out of the parkade.

I think the thing is that people get used to parking in certain parkades (I know I do) and may not even be aware of different options. That too could be a problem. But certainly events elsewhere are noticeably already impacting parking in the core. Downtown isn't a sleepy burg on weekends anymore. Its going to be a nightmare to find spots on a Friday or Saturday night.

What people don't seem to realize is that several events go on at the same time at even the Citadel as a venue and often times there can be 3 different events at the same time. Meaning approx. 2.5K patrons. Shaw has packed in as many as 5K. Winspear 2K. This is not peanuts and nothing going on downtown. That's already a potential 10K event influx not counting what the new arena will bring. Not counting art gallery and not counting the new RAM which will also impact.
 

oiler-dude

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Before posting I want to clarify this is on topic right? Parking?Rexall Construction with Parking parkade/access being part of construction?

We're season seats holders at the Citadel. Friday nights. Have been for years. I can confirm when events are going on at Winspear, or even SCC the parking gets filled up. We've ended up having to go to all the levels to try to find a spot. But the biggest thing is those parkades (citadel/Library parkade are poorly designed for exits. It can take a long time to get out of there when everybody is trying to exit and with exits not having any proprietary signalling even once you do get out of the parkade.

I think the thing is that people get used to parking in certain parkades (I know I do) and may not even be aware of different options. That too could be a problem. But certainly events elsewhere are noticeably already impacting parking in the core. Downtown isn't a sleepy burg on weekends anymore. Its going to be a nightmare to find spots on a Friday or Saturday night.

What people don't seem to realize is that several events go on at the same time at even the Citadel as a venue and often times there can be 3 different events at the same time. Meaning approx. 2.5K patrons. Shaw has packed in as many as 5K. Winspear 2K. This is not peanuts and nothing going on downtown. That's already a potential 10K event influx not counting what the new arena will bring. Not counting art gallery and not counting the new RAM which will also impact.

I would think (and hope?) parking is on-topic. Mods please don't ban us if it's not! ;)

To clarify, I wasn't trying to say that when the arena is packed it'll be easy to find parking, just that in his one particular example I found it a little tough to believe given the influx in the area.

It'll be a bit of a gong-show for the 2 seasons or so before the full plaza is opened (and the parkade underneath), but people will adapt as they always do. Parking sucks now at Rexall, it'll suck downtown, it would suck if the arena had been built on the Henday.

I just don't think parking will be an issue. It'll be expensive, and there will be wait times. Just like parking at any other major event in any other major city (or even events already happening in our own city).

But regardless - looks like they've got most of the Loge tables in, drywalling the suites and Loge areas, making great progress. The anticipation is killing me! :D
 

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I would think (and hope?) parking is on-topic. Mods please don't ban us if it's not! ;)

To clarify, I wasn't trying to say that when the arena is packed it'll be easy to find parking, just that in his one particular example I found it a little tough to believe given the influx in the area.

It'll be a bit of a gong-show for the 2 seasons or so before the full plaza is opened (and the parkade underneath), but people will adapt as they always do. Parking sucks now at Rexall, it'll suck downtown, it would suck if the arena had been built on the Henday.

I just don't think parking will be an issue. It'll be expensive, and there will be wait times. Just like parking at any other major event in any other major city (or even events already happening in our own city).

But regardless - looks like they've got most of the Loge tables in, drywalling the suites and Loge areas, making great progress. The anticipation is killing me! :D

Parking downtown should be somewhat difficult on a Friday or Saturday. That is a given in any major cities healthy downtown. The thing is Edmontons will simply be maxed. Most calculations have just taken into account what the total parking is in the area in relation to how many Oilers STH drive to games (a lot) Projections haven't really taken into account other facility use and how much is already available/used. The situation is not that it will be difficult. In 4mths you're going to be hearing about game nights where parking is exceeded in area on Friday and Saturday nights by events and influx into the downtown. You're going to hear about parking tickets and tow aways for people just trying to put their car somewhere and get into the game. That's a different thing entirely then parking being tough to find or expensive. its that people will not have options. Additionally having several K drivers milling around the streets in the area trying to find parking is not the kind of throughput jam you want to put into that area when people are trying to drive to the event.

I think the city is going to end up with a few weeks of gongshow parking/driving nights and decide that they need to put in some interim park n ride to the downtown to get people to events. I wish they would actually proactively do that rather than waiting for what I guarantee will be a problem.

Anyway I'll ask it again here but why are they installing all the seating so early and before arena drywall mudding, taping, sanding is complete? Seats are usually last to go in due to how much mess there still is at this juncture of construction. Seems to me that even with them being covered by tarping they're going to be cleaning a lot of seats. That fine dust gets in everywhere.
 

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Replacement, the taping and sanding that you and I do in our basement is a lot different than what the professionals do. We had an office completely renovated and there was not a lot of dust. It was very easy to mediate.

In the case of the arena, most of the drywall will be on concourses which are separated from the main bowl. With proper ventilation fans, very little drywall dust will make its way into the bowl. This is practically zero concern

As for parking, these things tend to balance themselves out. If there is a demand for more parking, it will get built as there are multiple user groups. Unlike Northlands area, there is very little non Northlands requirement for parking.
 

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if you guys are worried about how ready they are to open, the Sacremento Kings of the NBA are also supposed to move into a new arena starting in the 2016-2017 season. The NBA pre-season starts in early October, so they should be about 3 weeks behind our schedule. Here is their live view:
http://www.golden1center.com/live/

They have about the same amount of seats installed,but it looks like they haven't even started on the concourse. So I'm guessing we'll be fine.
 

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if you guys are worried about how ready they are to open, the Sacremento Kings of the NBA are also supposed to move into a new arena starting in the 2016-2017 season. The NBA pre-season starts in early October, so they should be about 3 weeks behind our schedule. Here is their live view:
http://www.golden1center.com/live/

They have about the same amount of seats installed,but it looks like they haven't even started on the concourse. So I'm guessing we'll be fine.

Also, it's interesting to note the difference in seat angles/bowl configurations for an arena mainly used for basketball to one used for hockey.
 

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Also, it's interesting to note the difference in seat angles/bowl configurations for an arena mainly used for basketball to one used for hockey.

yeah that the first thing i noticed as well

i really like the look of the outside of that arena, not entirely sure it will "age" well, but its pretty cool looking right now
 
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