Robbie Schremp or Kris Chucko?

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s7ark said:
So Edm has a big time prospect, is that really so hard to accept? We sure accept Phaneuf as ligit.
It would be easy to accept if it were true, talented or not, he is not an Ovechkin, Phaneuf, Lehtonen, franchise prospect.
 

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MrMastodonFarm said:
It would be easy to accept if it were true, talented or not, he is not an Ovechkin, Phaneuf, Lehtonen, franchise prospect.

Where did you pull that out of the air from? No one said he was a "franchise prospect". I heard people refer to him as a "blue-chipper", I guess if you have selective hearing that means "franchise prospect".
 

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MrMastodonFarm said:
It would be easy to accept if it were true, talented or not, he is not an Ovechkin, Phaneuf, Lehtonen, franchise prospect.

Good god man... get a grip. You seem to be having some issues.
 

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Why do people always refer to Schremp as a power play specialist? Like that is all he does and that's the only thing he'll do in the NHL?

Hmmm, maybe because its what the Knights used him for? Maybe its because that's what Team USA used him as? Maybe its becasie that's what the Oilers were using him for and where he got the majority of his points? Maybe its because that's how he's scoring the vast majority of his points in London right now? Maybe its because that's what Oiler fans were calling him themselves?

Bottom line, Schremp scores the majority of his points on the PP. Schremp is still a substandard skater and a defensive liability out there (Lowe said it himself). Robbie Schremp is still a long way from the NHL, no matter how many hundred points he scores in the OHL. Schremp is NOT a two way player, and that's what gets you to the NHL. Goo and gaa all you want over his PP exploits in junior, but that does not make him a good prospect. Playing a strong two way game makes you a great prospect.
 

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Bottom line, Schremp scores the majority of his points on the PP. Schremp is still a substandard skater and a defensive liability out there (Lowe said it himself). Robbie Schremp is still a long way from the NHL, no matter how many hundred points he scores in the OHL. Schremp is NOT a two way player, and that's what gets you to the NHL. Goo and gaa all you want over his PP exploits in junior, but that does not make him a good prospect. Playing a strong two way game makes you a great prospect.
I'll make a bet with you that he'll make the Oilers next year.
 

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The Iconoclast said:
Hmmm, maybe because its what the Knights used him for? Maybe its because that's what Team USA used him as? Maybe its becasie that's what the Oilers were using him for and where he got the majority of his points? Maybe its because that's how he's scoring the vast majority of his points in London right now? Maybe its because that's what Oiler fans were calling him themselves?

Hmmmm, didn't know the Knights only used him for the power play. I must have bad vision or maybe I should just stop going to the games cause clearly I don't know what I'm talking about.

The WJ's and NHL games - he was a rookie. He wasn't going log big numbers.

BTY - check out the top scores in the nhl or any other league and tell me how many power play points they get - all the top scores score on the power play.



Bottom line, Schremp scores the majority of his points on the PP. Schremp is still a substandard skater and a defensive liability out there (Lowe said it himself). Robbie Schremp is still a long way from the NHL, no matter how many hundred points he scores in the OHL. Schremp is NOT a two way player, and that's what gets you to the NHL. Goo and gaa all you want over his PP exploits in junior, but that does not make him a good prospect. Playing a strong two way game makes you a great prospect.

Yes Lowe said he wasn't mature enough yet to play in the NHL - just like every other junior player sent down with the exception of SC and Brule. And you quote the same stereotypically gaga everyone has been saying for the past 3 years. ahhh forget it.......
 

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I would prefer to call him an offensive specialist. Since the new rules encourage power plays, he is forced to play the PP, then after he plays 2 mins straightor 4 minutes straight he is a little tired. He then sits on the bench to catch his breath for a couple minutes and then another penalty is called and he goes out with fresh legs. Same thing repeats itself again and again so it is very hard for him to get a lot of even strength play. Especially when there are so many PP's, when there is even strength minutes the coach wants to get the young guys on and the fourth line out there so they can get 10 minutes of play time. So I would say if he was given more even strength minutes he would average 2+ points a game.
 

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If Schremp is not a good 5 on 5 scorer god knows what Chuko is. Sure a huge majority of Schremps points come on the PP but so do Naslunds and he seems to be doing alright for himself.

My question is what does Schremp need to do to prove himself. He is scoring at an insane pace being the guy on London, although Bolland seems to be doing great as well.

Now is he a future selke winner? No, but his defense has improved year by year and if he keeps that up he will be fine.
 

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e-townchamps said:
gotta ask yourself: how many players have the potential of being a PP specialist with a lethal shot like Schremp?
How would you like me to catagorize it?

I thought I'd take the Hitman a couple years ago's team (1999 I believe it is). Brad Moran, Pavel Brendl, Jordan Krestonivich and Kris Beech. All on 1 WHL team in 1 year.
 

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s7ark said:
Sure, the Flames may have made a mistake by passing on him, but so did 23 other teams. And every team in every draft ends up passing on some kid they shouldn't have. Hardly anything new.

He fell and the Oilers got lucky. So Edm has a big time prospect, is that really so hard to accept? We sure accept Phaneuf as ligit.
Yes, right now, Schremp certainly looks like an impressive player and seems to have the edge here, but I would like to see this argument re-opened in 3 years when Chucko has had a chance to develop.

And this is no disrespect to the Oilers or Schremp or anything, but the Oilers (I guess???) should also be thank their graces that the Flames took Chucko and not someone else, because its quite well known that the Oilers were seriously looking to draft Chucko with their pick, and they had Chucko ahead of Schremp on their list.
 

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Well then close up the thread for 3 years and declare Schremp the winner for now!
 

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Lander said:
Well then close up the thread for 3 years and declare Schremp the winner for now!
I'd agree, but I want these Chucko updates to keep on rolling in. :)
 

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richardn said:
I will take Robbie Schremp any day. He should have been drafted by the Leafs :shakehead .


Didn't they not have a pick until #90 or so?
 

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I think that Schremp is in the same boat as Thomas Vanek was. Being a gopher fan i have heard lots of negative things about Vanek. Many very simular to what i hear about Schremp. About the only thing Schremp can do is go to the NHL and score at a good pace and not look out of place in his own end. Otherwise there will always be people with tunnel vision and focus on what he is not great at.
 

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Based on their characters, I would take Chucko. He is the definition of a team player and is the kind to make sacrifices for the ultimate prize. Schremp on the other hand, has a reputation for being selfish and a whiner. Chucko may not be as flashy as Schremp, but is a MUCH more ballsy player.

It's like comparing Conroy to Savard, or Ricci to Val Bure.
 

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Torch said:
Based on their characters, I would take Chucko. He is the definition of a team player and is the kind to make sacrifices for the ultimate prize. Schremp on the other hand, has a reputation for being selfish and a whiner. Chucko may not be as flashy as Schremp, but is a MUCH more ballsy player.

It's like comparing Conroy to Savard, or Ricci to Val Bure.

You're a Flames fan who underrated Schremp's desire and ethics.
 

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There are many Flames fans who just can't admit that Sutter can make a mistake.

Schremp is CLEARLY a better prospect at this point.

I've seen him in the exhibition games this year........he was running the PP like Doug Weight. Great passes, great decisions, quick passes, and the WILLINGNESS to take shots on goal.

He was the first star in the Oilers first pre-season game.

He'll only get better....can't wait to see him in the NHL soon.
 

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MN_Gopher said:
I think that Schremp is in the same boat as Thomas Vanek was. Being a gopher fan i have heard lots of negative things about Vanek. Many very simular to what i hear about Schremp. About the only thing Schremp can do is go to the NHL and score at a good pace and not look out of place in his own end. Otherwise there will always be people with tunnel vision and focus on what he is not great at.



Well, Schremp is NOT at Vanek's level, but the same idea applies.
 

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Phanuthier said:
Yes, right now, Schremp certainly looks like an impressive player and seems to have the edge here, but I would like to see this argument re-opened in 3 years when Chucko has had a chance to develop.

And this is no disrespect to the Oilers or Schremp or anything, but the Oilers (I guess???) should also be thank their graces that the Flames took Chucko and not someone else, because its quite well known that the Oilers were seriously looking to draft Chucko with their pick, and they had Chucko ahead of Schremp on their list.

Chucko with their pick, and they had Chucko ahead of Schremp on their list.

I dont believe you. Oilers are not a team that drafts guys that cant skate. You gota soucre on this.
 

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AgentNaslund said:
I dont believe you. Oilers are not a team that drafts guys that cant skate. You gota soucre on this.
Peter Mahr, FAN 960.

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And funny you say the Oilers don't draft guys that "can't skate" - becuase you know, at the time he was drafted (and even still?) Schremp is a poor skater. Funny that.
 

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Phanuthier said:
Peter Mahr, FAN 960.

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And funny you say the Oilers don't draft guys that "can't skate" - becuase you know, at the time he was drafted (and even still?) Schremp is a poor skater. Funny that.

Peter Mahr, FAN 960.
sorry. Not good enough.

my bad, lemme correct myself,

Oilers dont use 1st round picks on checking fowards. Never. If you look at their rescent drafts, those are guys that play offence. Pouliont. Schremp, huge offensive upside.
 

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AgentNaslund said:
sorry. Not good enough.

my bad, lemme correct myself,
Sorry, but since when did I have to bow to you demands?

Its a source, deal with it.

Man you are a piece of work. If you don't like it, take your ball and go home.

AgentNaslund said:
Oilers dont use 1st round picks on checking fowards. Never. If you look at their rescent drafts, those are guys that play offence. Pouliont. Schremp, huge offensive upside.
What makes you think Chucko is a checking forward?

When he was drafted, 32 goals, 87 points in 53 games with Salmon Arm.

Profile:

http://www.gophersports.com/sports/player.asp?sport_id=mhock&player_id=2395

A talented and physical power forward who is excellent at driving to the net • a deft stickhandler with good playmaking skills • has a mean streak and is tough in the corners and in front of the net • looks to make a statement offensively in his sophomore season.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/kris_chucko

A power forward on the left wing of highly skilled pivot Travis Zajac, Kris Chucko uses his body to create space for his linemates. Not unskilled himself with the puck, Chucko is excellent at driving the net with the puck and can stickhandle in a phone booth

Way to show your knowledge on the subject, though.
 
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