Robbie Schremp or Kris Chucko?

[RUSqueelin*]

The way I see it Shremp value is all based on his offense. If that doesn't pan out, he will have a hard time in the NHL. This is the classic boom/bust prospect vs a safe prospect. Potential wise this is how I see it (if both reach their potential).

Shremp = a Briere to Heatly type player in that range
Chucko = a Morrow to Smyth type player in that range

To the guys that say Chucko has the upside of Draper is totally wrong, they don't have the same game.

NOW, I must point out that Chucko will always have bigger size, strength, physical play, leadership, fighting over Shremp. Now Shremp will always have better hands. Right now Chucko is the betetr skater. IMO, it is way to early to judge.

It's Schremp. Might as well spell it Shrimp since you are a big Flames fan.

 

[Transported Upstater]

The chances of Chucko reaching the upside of a Morrow or Smyth is extremely thin.

Those players don't come along that often.

I can't possibly agree more.

 

[Seachd]

Big points, no committment to the game.

You make a nice, big, fairly convincing post, and throw the whole thing into the garbage with this sentence.

It'd be hard to name many juniors who actually have a bigger commitment to the game of hockey.

 

[thomasincanada]

You make a nice, big, fairly convincing post, and throw the whole thing into the garbage with this sentence.

It'd be hard to name many juniors who actually have a bigger commitment to the game of hockey.

Absolutely - These days Schremp is very much a hard worker with a great attitude.

Nobody knows better than us knights fans.

 

[s7ark]

You make a nice, big, fairly convincing post, and throw the whole thing into the garbage with this sentence.

It'd be hard to name many juniors who actually have a bigger commitment to the game of hockey.

Agreed. If there is one thing about Schremp that is not in doubt, it is his love of the game. Always the first one on and last off the ice. Spends days off just firing pucks at the net. He loves playing hockey.

 

[Andrei Kastsitsyn*]

Schremp vs ...who? Kris who???

 

[ryz]

Schremp vs ...who? Kris who???

Chucko. He plays with the UofM Golden Gophers. Former first round pick of the Flames. He'll play on the Canadian world junior squad this year. He's said to be a very safe prospect but doesn't have huge offensive upside. He does, however, play the other areas of the game very, very well for a 19 yr old.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

That makes it all so much worse. Schremp will probably put up points in the NHL but I would rather have a player like Chucko if I was trying to go deep into the playoffs.

Why? What has Chucko done to suggest that he's better than Schremp in that regard? I'll tell you: NOTHING.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Chucko. He plays with the UofM Golden Gophers. Former first round pick of the Flames. He'll play on the Canadian world junior squad this year. He's said to be a very safe prospect but doesn't have huge offensive upside. He does, however, play the other areas of the game very, very well for a 19 yr old.

He's being facetious.

 

[ryz]

He's being facetious.

So was I.

 

[Andrei Kastsitsyn*]

He's being facetious.

 

[HuskyFlames]

The chances of Chucko reaching the upside of a Morrow or Smyth is extremely thin.

Those players don't come along that often.

Hence why I said TOP POTENTIAL of either prospect. Key word, POTENTIAL. They play similar games, all depends on development now from raw skill and determination to a finished product.

 

[Boondock Saint]

I have to wonder, really, all these people who write off Schremp as a PP specialist, with poor skating, inept defensivley and a bad attitude, if they've really ever even seen him play, and play regularily? I'd bet money that the wide majority have not, therefore, their opinions really hold no value or merit at all.

So, if you don't watch Schremp play regularly, your opinion on him is not valid... OK, fair enough......

Also, I highly doubt Chucko becomes as good as Brendan Morrow, but thats personal opinion.

But, you can say that Chucko probably won't be as good as Morrow. Chucko, who plays in the NCAA, that YOU don't see play regularly????


P.S. My meritless opinion is that Schremp has a much higher top-end potential, but is also much more likely than Chucko to be a bust.....

 

[RUSqueelin*]

Schremp vs ...who? Kris who???

Andrei Who?



It's spelt Kostitsyn

 

[jcpenny]

Chucko.....Schremp is a PP specialist

Bingo! Other then piling points on the PP u never notice Schremp in a game. 5 on 5 and PK aint his thing.

 

[Andrei Kastsitsyn*]

Andrei Who?



It's spelt Kostitsyn

LIES!

jk..

Yeah see the thing is I made this name BEFORE they finalized the official spelling of his last name.

:/

AND he's a bust, and he sucks.. o well..

 

[RUSqueelin*]

Bingo! Other then piling points on the PP u never notice Schremp in a game. 5 on 5 and PK aint his thing.

What's with the stereotypes? I'd suggest you get a copy of the Memorial Cup final last year and have a watch. I watched it twice and Schremp was dominate in the game - And there weren't many power plays in the game.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Andrei Who?



It's spelt Kostitsyn

Both spellings are transliterated approximations to a name which uses the Cyrillic alphabet anyways...There are two accepted transliterated spellings, one using the Russian version of the name and one using the Belarussian.

(Ask Habs fans which one is which, I saw a thread on their board about it once.)

But there are TWO correct(approximately, of course) ways to spell AK's name using English letters. If you want to be really particular, spell his name the Belarussian way, considering that is his nationality.

 

[Lanny MacDonald*]

You make a nice, big, fairly convincing post, and throw the whole thing into the garbage with this sentence.

It'd be hard to name many juniors who actually have a bigger commitment to the game of hockey.

And it shows with Schremp's amazing committment to developing a two way game! Give me a break. You can bet your bottom dollar that Lowe had a real long talk with Schremp before sending him down and told him everything he needed to work on. Based on how bad he was in training camp on the defensive side of the puck I would hope to god that was at the top of the list. Schremp has not exactly dedicated himself to improving his defensive game, so he is failing in this regard. Unless Lowe did not instruct him to work on this, and likely derailed the kid's career in the process, Schremp is not following through on that aspect of his development.

You can have Schremp IMO. I don't think he'll be an NHL player of note. He's going to be another in a long line of big scoring juniors that never learned that the road to the NHL is paved by two way hockey players. So far, his junior performance is proving that he's nothing more than a PP specialist. Try arguing that way.

 

[Lanny MacDonald*]

Agreed. If there is one thing about Schremp that is not in doubt, it is his love of the game. Always the first one on and last off the ice. Spends days off just firing pucks at the net. He loves playing hockey.

There is a difference between a "love" of the game and a "commitment" to the game. Commitment means showing the willingness to do what you HAVE to do, not WANT to do. Schremp loves to score goals, but there are times when you help your team more by being responsible in your own end. Commitment means working on the things your told to work on and forego the "glory" that comes with doing what you love. Schremp needs to work on his skating, his defensive coverage and his decision making. Is that happening in London? Doesn't appear so. The Knights are a "we'll score more than you will" team.

 

[RUSqueelin*]

There is a difference between a "love" of the game and a "commitment" to the game. Commitment means showing the willingness to do what you HAVE to do, not WANT to do. Schremp loves to score goals, but there are times when you help your team more by being responsible in your own end. Commitment means working on the things your told to work on and forego the "glory" that comes with doing what you love. Schremp needs to work on his skating, his defensive coverage and his decision making. Is that happening in London? Doesn't appear so. The Knights are a "we'll score more than you will" team.

Buddy, we appreciate your responses. Have you been actually watching all the Knight games this year or are just generalizing? Sounds like you think it's 2003. No wonder players get such bad raps when stuff like this gets throw around on these boards. So have you actually watched any games this year? I've seem just about'm all and Schremp is anything but ignoring trying to get better in his all around game.

Are you even aware that Mr. Schremp has taken power skating lessons that past 3 off seasons to help him with his stride and skating? Why are you branding like this? Too many late night callin sports shows?

 

[nesbit_21]

Iconoclast, I have to respect your individual right to an opinion, however, this time, your just plain wrong. If you really knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Schremp is infact working hard on his down sides, while further developing his upsides. He was, and will be, the first to admit that his skating and defence need improvment, and he is working to improve them, all while scoring at a truly exceptional pace. Your comments about his lack of "commitment" are only making you sound foolish.

 

[sunb]

This isn't close, Schremp all the way. If I were a NHL general manager choosing a winning team, I'd go for Schremp. Chucko is a nice character guy to have around and a two-way physical second-liner with leadership is valuable, but Schremp has star potential and you can't afford to not take that kind of a gamble with a player who can be a dominant 80 point star 1st liner.

You can teach defense but you can't teach scoring.

 

[flambers]

This isn't close, Schremp all the way. If I were a NHL general manager choosing a winning team, I'd go for Schremp. Chucko is a nice character guy to have around and a two-way physical second-liner with leadership is valuable, but Schremp has star potential and you can't afford to not take that kind of a gamble with a player who can be a dominant 80 point star 1st liner.

You can teach defense but you can't teach scoring.

To summarize you would pick Marc Savard over a player like Kris Draper.

 

[Pete Rock]

I bet if the draft were to happen today, Robbie would go top 5.

Ovechkin
Malkin
Schremp
Barker
Meszaros

Thats my thoughts at least.

I don't think he'd crack in there. He'd go in the top ten to some poor schlep, but I'd rather have:

Ovechkin
Malkin
Olesz
Barker
Wolski
Meszaros
Tukonen

Even at just talent wise. Not that it's an indication of talent, but of those that I listed, only Wolski is playing in a junior league and at least he cracked an NHL line-up for a time. For someone with so much, something here says his development isn't really there right now.

Throwing in my two cents here. As someone who lives in Mississauga, I will always think of Rob Schremp as someone with attitude problems. The "I'm taking my net and going home," mentality of a spoiled 10-year old playing street hockey didn't fly with anyone in the city when he walked out on his team.

At least Spezza played when he asked for a trade.

EDIT - Oh yeah. I'll take Chucko.