Grasping at straws indeed.
Anyways to those of you who know what they're talking about, thanks for the input.
Anyways to those of you who know what they're talking about, thanks for the input.
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Roughneck
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Tikk said:
I'm sure this will be the defining point in convincing those at Calgary Puck that Schremp may or may not be a better prospect than Chucko. how dare a Calgary Flames Message Board call Schremp "Shrimp" How dare they!
Don't worry, this will show them.
Are you joking? I've said many times that I'm happy you folks are calling him "Shrimp". 
Shows you're scared already!
Shows you're scared already!
rigger
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This thread is ludicrous. Like the Phanuef/Syvret comment. This is a night and day comparison. Schremp is way way better then Chucko is right now. Schremp will play in the NHL next year and score 35 PP points and 15-20 ES points because he will get 6-8 PP minutes a game. He is a skilled player that will be good defensively after a year or two with Mac T. Look at Hemsky, he plays PK now. Schremp also plays PK in london. So much is being said about Schremps inability to skate and play defense.
He is one of the best players not in the NHL right now. When Bure came into the league did he play great defense? Would you have wanted him on your team. What about Kovalchuk? Not saying that Schremp is in that category but he is an offensive dynamo and should be viewed as such. I bet if the draft were to happen today, Robbie would go top 5.
Ovechkin
Malkin
Schremp
Barker
Meszaros
Thats my thoughts at least.
He is one of the best players not in the NHL right now. When Bure came into the league did he play great defense? Would you have wanted him on your team. What about Kovalchuk? Not saying that Schremp is in that category but he is an offensive dynamo and should be viewed as such. I bet if the draft were to happen today, Robbie would go top 5.
Ovechkin
Malkin
Schremp
Barker
Meszaros
Thats my thoughts at least.
Roughneck
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rigger said:
He does have top 5 hands, but the same things that scared scouts and GMs away on draft day would still scare them away now, Schremp will have to play in the NHL before he can silence his critics and show he belonged in the top5.
rigger
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Roughneck said:
And until then none of us can fairly judge how he will do in the show. But if we are looking at potential, who has more, Schremp or Chucko? Like some one posted earlier, what makes a good prospect? Growth and development. It is obvious who looks better as of right now and who has shown more adaptability and growth.
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I know nothing about Schremp first hand. But i have seen Chucko on many occasions. All televised games and every other home game in person. He looked like a bulldozer last year. Pretty much a north and south type player. Lets face it he turned with the puck and he fell down most of the time. This year he has gotten lots better. Is playing PK and is doing just fine. He is not a natural goal scorer. But his hard work in front of the net. His non-liabilty speed and skating, now. And he is one physical player that can hurt the opposition in the open ice. He will be get his regular shifts. And will get his points. It seems he took it personal to work on his skating and passing. And both have improved. Maybe next year it will be his shooting.
Roughneck said:
The intentions of this thread are blatantly obvious, that being so, I'll take Chucko, Schremp will be a bust, he has attitude problems etc.
That's a common misconception.
Roughneck said:
I agree with Roughneck here; that message board is designed for Calgary fans and will inevitably have Calgary fans in mind.
Every NHL team has message boards devoted to their own cause. If people honestly expect a 100% reasonable attitude towards the Oil on a purely Calgary message board (and vice versa), they will be dissapointed.
(Roughneck, don't interpret this as me picking on Calgary. I was pulling for them 100% to win the Cup last year.)
I thought this was a joke when I first saw it...seriously, Schremp...and can you say Landslide?
And can we PLEASE stop bringing up this rediculous and outdated argument of Schremps "Attitude"? This hold NO water, not anymore, and for me, it never did. Talk about living in the past, as this kid has gotten nothing but rave reviews regarding his play, progress, AND attitude since being drafted...enough already. For someone to say "I'll take Chucko over Schremp...robbie has an attitude" is laughable, it truly is.
Ask this same question to every GM in the league, see who they'd rather have. I can almost garuntee a unanimous decision for one, Robbie Schremp.
And can we PLEASE stop bringing up this rediculous and outdated argument of Schremps "Attitude"? This hold NO water, not anymore, and for me, it never did. Talk about living in the past, as this kid has gotten nothing but rave reviews regarding his play, progress, AND attitude since being drafted...enough already. For someone to say "I'll take Chucko over Schremp...robbie has an attitude" is laughable, it truly is.
Ask this same question to every GM in the league, see who they'd rather have. I can almost garuntee a unanimous decision for one, Robbie Schremp.
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Awesome post, TI. I think I agreed with everything you said, except perhaps the part about Schremp reeking of Brendl. (Schremp has actually had it successfully hammered into his brain that there are two halfs of the ice, and even if he forgets it once in a while, he knows, and he doesn't just park himself out at the other team's blue line. He plays the whole surface adequately now).The Iconoclast said:
Those wanting to swing for the fence on a Jimmy Carson-style player might take Schremp. Those who like the gritty scrappy guys who contribute in the clutch might take Chucko. I'd probably take Chucko myself, just because I feel like my team has enough offensive guys to swing for the fences with, and we could stand to get more guts and character. (Not that Schremp doesn't have guts and character, he does actually, it just manifests itself a bit differently). But I've only seen Chucko once or twice, and not really focused on him, so I'm mostly going by hearsay on him... if his skating and skill is really as bad as some people make it out to be, I take it back. I have nothing particularly against Schremp, but I'm glad the Habs took Chipchura instead, which is a pretty similar indication of what I'm looking for.
rigger
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Iconoclast, What in your right mind makes you say Schremp has a wavering passion or commitment for the game, ala Brendel, or that he hasnt grown as a player?...Good god, do some of you guys even WATCH hockey? Any one who has been around, or watched Schremp knows that NOBODY loves to play hockey more than him, and NOBODY wants to be a star more than him. Furthermore, what do consider growth as a player? Would you not consider a 30-40 point jump in points in your draft year growth? Almost making an NHL team right out of junior? how about going back to junior, dominating the league like no one has in a long time, carrying a team on your back that recently lost many of its stars, all while making strides in your skating and defensive game...this isnt growth? Wake up folks, lose the Schremp hate on, its silly.
Also, I highly doubt Chucko becomes as good as Brendan Morrow, but thats personal opinion.
Also, I highly doubt Chucko becomes as good as Brendan Morrow, but thats personal opinion.
The Iconoclast said:
Just curious, are you hanging with Schremp 24 hours a day or are you just making assumptions? While you make good points, I think some of your comments on Robbie are a little biased and ignorant. Kinda sounds like all the NHL "experts" on 2004 draft day who said Schremp was a high risk because of his attitude. If they would have done some more research into the topic, they could have obtain some factual information on the kid, rather than rehashing old, tired sterotypes of him.
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Rob Schremp grew up in my area, and I can say that at 16, the kid was a terrible skater with the worst attitude EVER. Every 16-year old hockey player in the Syracuse area (not playing for the Stars) wanted to beat his face in.
He's not like that now. It's a world of difference.
I can understand a Flames fan trying to pimp Chucko. I'd want him on my team any day. I love the way the kid plays.
But I just can't possibly see how someone could consider him a better prospect than Rob Schremp.
Although I am starting to get the impression that this thread was meant to start an Edmonton-Calgary "flame war."
Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun...
He's not like that now. It's a world of difference.
I can understand a Flames fan trying to pimp Chucko. I'd want him on my team any day. I love the way the kid plays.
But I just can't possibly see how someone could consider him a better prospect than Rob Schremp.
Although I am starting to get the impression that this thread was meant to start an Edmonton-Calgary "flame war."
Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun...
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I have to wonder, really, all these people who write off Schremp as a PP specialist, with poor skating, inept defensivley and a bad attitude, if they've really ever even seen him play, and play regularily? I'd bet money that the wide majority have not, therefore, their opinions really hold no value or merit at all.
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That makes it all so much worse. Schremp will probably put up points in the NHL but I would rather have a player like Chucko if I was trying to go deep into the playoffs.Rabid Ranger said:
nesbit_21 said:I have to wonder, really, all these people who write off Schremp as a PP specialist, with poor skating, inept defensivley and a bad attitude, if they've really ever even seen him play, and play regularily? I'd bet money that the wide majority have not, therefore, their opinions really hold no value or merit at all.
My points exactly.
I have seen him play countless times. It is true he's not very good defensively. But his skating has come a long, long way.
And he has the attitude you NEED a sniper to have. You NEED a sniper to have confidence in his shot and the desire and will to use it often.
The way I see it Shremp value is all based on his offense. If that doesn't pan out, he will have a hard time in the NHL. This is the classic boom/bust prospect vs a safe prospect. Potential wise this is how I see it (if both reach their potential).
Shremp = a Briere to Heatly type player in that range
Chucko = a Morrow to Smyth type player in that range
To the guys that say Chucko has the upside of Draper is totally wrong, they don't have the same game.
NOW, I must point out that Chucko will always have bigger size, strength, physical play, leadership, fighting over Shremp. Now Shremp will always have better hands. Right now Chucko is the betetr skater. IMO, it is way to early to judge.
Shremp = a Briere to Heatly type player in that range
Chucko = a Morrow to Smyth type player in that range
To the guys that say Chucko has the upside of Draper is totally wrong, they don't have the same game.
NOW, I must point out that Chucko will always have bigger size, strength, physical play, leadership, fighting over Shremp. Now Shremp will always have better hands. Right now Chucko is the betetr skater. IMO, it is way to early to judge.
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Patrick - Flames Fan said:
The chances of Chucko reaching the upside of a Morrow or Smyth is extremely thin.
Those players don't come along that often.
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