Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by se7en*, Nov 15, 2005.
Who would you take and why?
This is going to get ugly. I think Chucko is a fine player, but this exercise will be hugely in favour of Schremp (rightly or wrongly).
A Calgary vs Edmonton prospects debate? Err................
My "nuetral" impression is both players are similar in the sense that their pro-potential is hard to pin down. Chucko is much more well-rounded, yet I don't think he has much offensive upside. Schremp on the other hand is an offensive wiz, but is lacking when it comes to top-end speed and defense.
Personally, I would take Schremp just because of the offensive upside he brings. I think Chucko's going to be a glorifed plumber, and while you need those types of players to win, they're a dime-a-dozen. Schremp could flame out, but if he plays to his potential can be a top offensive performer in the NHL, and that's a fairly rare commodity.
It's not a fair comparison. These two are completely different types of players who are in different leagues and at vastly different stages of their development. Everyone knows about Schremp, but very few know enough about Chucko to make a fair decision. Having seen Chucko a number of times over the past two seasons, I can say that he looks very worthy of his 1st round selection. He is sound defensively and has shown alot of offensive potential. I see him being a 2nd line power forward, if not a 1st liner. He does have alot of developing to do. I would say he is the much safer of the two players, as Schremp does have that possibility of not panning out, whereas I don't see it with Chucko. He'll play in the NHL somewhere, even if he isn't a top liner.
Bottom line, I don't think it's as easy a decision to make as everyone is going to make it out to be. When they are both in their primes then it will be a more fair comparison. Personally, I'm not really sure who I would prefer. Would all depend what I was looking for. I would be happy with either one at this point.
Guys like Maltby, Tikkanen, Draper, Jarvis, Carbonneau, etc. are a dime a dozen? I think if you ask the coaches that had these players or the players that have to play against them they would say otherwise.
And if you think Chucko has limited offensive ability then you need to watch more. He has all kinds of skill. He's just now realizing how to best utilize it.
Interesting. I watch alot of college hockey (in particular the Gophers) and I just don't see the offensive upside with Chucko. He's not a natural goalscorer and isn't a particularly gifted playmaker. He does alot of the little things well, which is why Sutter drafted him, but I think Calgary's going to have another Nystrom situation on their hands.
Maybe I'll start another thread, "Dion Phaneuf or Danny Syvret, who would you take and why?"
A more-offensive Nystrom is what I think of when I think of Chucko... and I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think he'll look out of place in a top six.
The intentions of this thread are blatantly obvious, that being so, I'll take Chucko, Schremp will be a bust, he has attitude problems etc.
This isn't even close.
The big difference here is Chucko was taken 24th and Schremp taken 25th.
yeah, and pretty much everyone knows, and even knew at the time, that schremp should have gone much higher and that chucko was a bizarre pick in the first round. Tikk is an Oilers fan, and he knows what he's doing. I'm calling the same thing that I did in the "Who has the better defense, Ottawa or Toronto?" thread started by a Sens fan. It's a little tacky, that's all.
^It's just to settle this very debate which is going on by the good folks at calgarypuck right now. That is all my intentions are, I'm not trying to embarrass Flames fans, this is a real debate happening right now.
That's why I asked here, to get a gauge from people who aren't Oil/Flames fans.
Rob Schremp hands down. Chucko might be a good player, but he never put up numbers close to Schremp in juniors.
But that shouldn't be necessary. All of us argue with homers from time to time. You just have to repeat to yourself, "they're homers, and I don't need to prove myself to them."
But the big difference is that Schremp could have easily been picked in the Top 10.
Chucko's upside = Draper
Chucko's downside = AHL checker
Schremp's upside = 60p 2nd line PP specialist
Schremp's downside = Peter Sarno
Okay, I gotta jump in here and put something into persepective for people. Racking up points in junior or college does NOT make you a good prospect. I hate to burst the bubble of the point counters around here, but points do nothing for you unless you are a poolie. Showing growth makes you a good prospect.
What makes Robbie Schremp a good NHL prospect? What is it about him that says he will be an NHL player? Is it his ability to rack up a whack of points playing on a defending Memorial Cup champion that is stacked with talent? Is it the amazing PP% the Knights are clipping along at (Schremp has 13 of his 19 goals on the PP)? Are these the things that the Oilers were hoping to see from Schemp when they sent him down? Or do you think that they sent him down to work on his deficient skating? Or maybe learn the defensive side of the puck? Or maybe to be a leader on his team and become more of a professional? Do you think that maybe these things were the goals of the hockey club when they returned him to London? Schremp's 52 points is great, but his +8 is nothing to write home to mother about. Is he learning the defensive side of the puck? Is he meeting the objectives of the Oilers and becoming a strong two-way player?
What about Chucko? He was a big scorer in Tier-II but was told he needed to work on his skating and his two way play if he wanted to be an NHL player. He made that committment and impressed the hell out those in the NCAA with his two way play. Now he has to develop that scoring ability to go with that two way play. He's still a work in progress in that regard. The promising thing is that he has shown he knows how to score. Now its a matter of the player showing that he can do it at the college level. Will he do it? Who knows. He has two or three years to do that according to the hockey club, so there is no rush.
Who is the better prospect? Probably the one that is more likely to play in the NHL. Depending on the way the game is played will likely decide who is better. If the game remains like it presently is, Schremp has a chance to be a contributor and be the better player. His skating ability and defensive weakness will be ignored for his offensive flair. If the game reverts to where it was the past few years, or even leans in that direction, Chucko will have the advantage. Chucko's size, physical nature and two way ability will find him in the NHL at some point in some fashion. There are a lot of things that will weigh into the argument that people don't bother to look at, focusing instead on nothing but points.
I guess it depends on what type of player you are hoping for as well. Schremp reminds me of Marc Savard in a lot of ways. Chucko reminds me of Brendan Morrow. I prefer the guy that is gritty and contributes on both sides of the puck, but that is a personal preference. Big points don't impress me. Excuting your complete assignment impresses me. To date, Schremp reeks of Pavel Brendl. Big points, no committment to the game. If that's what floats your boat, you're all over Schremp. If you like guys that have grown as players you are likely more impressed by the job Chucko has done. But knowing these boards, points are the only guage that matters, so Schremp will win this in a landslide.
No, that's not a bad thing. Chucko will be a contributer, but he'll never be the star Schremp CAN be (IMO).
It was hardly a debate that warranted "going to hf" because of homerism, i think it had to do more with a complex on your part that requires you to be a member on a message board for Flames fans.
I am going to try be nice here. I like Chucko, he's a decent player, he is very good at what he does. Schremp is also very good at what he does. Schremp scores and he scores a lot. Chucko is not a bad scorer but his strengths lie in other areas. Here are how their careers compare so far:
Schremp: 6' - 185 lbs; 1986
Chucko: 6'2" - 190 lbs; 1986
Schremp - Major Junior - 204 gp - 116 goals - 175 assists - 291 points - 1.4 ppg
Chucko - Jr. A - 53 gp - 32 goals - 55 assists - 87 points - 1.6 ppg
NCAA - 43 gp - 10 goals - 11 assists - 21 points - .48 ppg
Schremp played in a harder league at a younger age. Chucko now pays in the NCAA which is hard to compare to the CHL. Here is what I think their up sides are.
Schremp - 90 point NHLer - A poor mans Heatly (but not too poor)
Chucko - 50 point guy - Maltby type player
I think this is a fairly one sided when you are looking at potential and possible stardom in the NHL. Schremp has the makings for an all star player. While Chucko has the makings for an effective NHLer that every team needs, like an Ethan Moreau but a little more touch around the net. JMO.
Schremp easily, he has All Star Upside.
Chucko is a grinder with some limited upside to be a 2nd liner.
Well that's poor analogy. I enjoy posting on calgarypuck. Do you have a complex agianst 29 other teams because you post at HF?
No, HF is for hockey fans, Calgary Puck is there clearly for Flames fans, you don't go to fan specific mesage boards when you're a clear, and often vocal "nemesis" of the team unless you 1) Don't like what they're saying or 2) Want to start ****. I assume you're the former.