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Rob Schremp is severly over rated by Oiler fans. I for one am not a Schremp fan and wish Lowe would package him in a deal to get us a defenseman that we badly need.
Morris? Flames fans would love that.
Rob Schremp is severly over rated by Oiler fans. I for one am not a Schremp fan and wish Lowe would package him in a deal to get us a defenseman that we badly need.
he sort of sounds like a Marc Savard type guy. Lots of Offense, no defense.
I think the poster meant that he doesn't agree with Richards' handling of Schremp
Predraft
P.Brendl = 68 gp - 73 g - 134 pts... 1.92
Schremp = 63 gp - 35 g - 75 pts... 1.19
Why should Schremp have been a top-10 and Brendl not?
Postdraft- Year 1
P.Brendl = 61 gp - 59 g - 111 pts... 1.87
Schremp = 62 gp - 41 g - 90 pts... 1.45
Postdraft - Year 2
Brendl = 49 gp - 40 g - 75 pts... 1.53
Schremp = 65 gp - 26 g - 74 pts...2.54
How exactly are 2 of Brendl's years "common" and Schremp's years "monster"? (years you specified are in bold)
What I mean is, considering how others in the league were doing in most of those years, Brendl wasn't quite the "superstar" that Rob Schremp was, as far as what people were saying.
Don't get me wrong, Brendl had a great junior career and all, but he just never seemed to have that superstar quality to me IMO. When I said "common" I also said "dominant", while he had good years, and was near the league lead in both of those seasons, other than his 134 point season he never really seemed to be the same "dominant" force.
In Schremp's draft class he should have definately been a top 10, maybe 15 pick purely based on his skill. If it weren't for his supposed attitude problems he would have been taken much higher IMO. Don't get me wrong, I can't just go back and talk about how so and so taken in the 8th round turned out better than Brendl to justify his "wrongful" draft position or anything like that. Looking back, that entire first round is just about full of "busts", including the Sedins until last season and with the exception of Havlat, so I suppose the Brendl pick wasn't too bad.
It's hard to explain really, I just never had a good feeling about that kid being taken so high. He put up some points in junior, but I've never heard people talk about his skill level like I have heard about Schremp. When people talk about Schremp they can hardly believe the moves he can pull off, and people are actually in awe over it almost, even professional scouts. I never heard anyone say anything like this about Pavel Brendl.
Brendl was on pace for 124 points in his 2nd season, had he played the 68 games he did his first year.
Schremp-hype... are you talking fanfare? Because fanfare around the draft has been increasing pretty much every year it seems.
In comparison, Brendl was the leading scorer of the western league in his rookie season and scored more than a goal a game. Almost as many goals as Schremp had points. Schremp was what leading scorer in his draft year?... 50th?
I believe there were also attitude problems with him as well. Perhaps it would have cost him, if teams were putting as much stock into psych as they seem to now.
Basically, I think if you're going to use a statistical argument to compare two offensive players with no intangibles to speak of... I can't see any justification to say that Brendl shouldn't have been top-10 and Schrmep should have.
Maybe his first season or two weren't "amazing to you" but the fact that he improved that much in three years must mean something?
There is no comparison between them anymore as well because Schremp has taken the next step and is actually producing in the AHL where Brendl pretty much faded into nothing-ness.
I think the poster meant that he doesn't agree with Richards' handling of Schremp, but that Schremp better learn to live with it and adjust.
I'd say that's a good comparison. He has the same attitude problem too.
I'm not arguing anything beyond:
- Schremp should have been a top-10 and Brendl not
- Schremp's early junior seasons were better than Brendl's
His attitude hasn't been a problem for a number of years, the media simply printed so many stories that Schremp's "attitude problems" became almost mythical in nature. What worries me about Schremp is both his skating ability and his play away from the puck - he'll be a very good powerplay specialist in the NHL with the tools he has but I'm not sold on him being solid 5on5 yet. We'll see though, I'm glad Schremp is facing a little adversity early in the season and it sounds like Richards is really pointing out the areas he has to work on. Pouliot just got called up from Wilkes-Barre and I believe Christensen is still in Pittsburgh so I'm guessing Schremp will go on a pretty big streak points-wise soon.I have it on some pretty good authority that Schremp's attitude is not much (if any) of a problem. Its more the play away from he puck
How many powerplay specialists are there in the NHL?hremp is both his skating ability and his play away from the puck - he'll be a very good powerplay specialist in the NHL with the tools he has .
Not many unfortunately. There are a number of players who struggle 5on5 and tend to put up lots of points on the PP though. I'm not all that high on Schremp but I do feel he has the skill-set to put up some points in the NHL.How many powerplay specialists are there in the NHL?
He definatly does, but I think Jason Allison is a good comparison. Puts up a couple good seasons, but will struggle to find NHL employment none the less.Not many unfortunately. There are a number of players who struggle 5on5 and tend to put up lots of points on the PP though. I'm not all that high on Schremp but I do feel he has the skill-set to put up some points in the NHL.
I will be thrilled if Schremp turns into a Jason Allison clone. I think Yannick Perrault without the faceoff ability is a better comparison.He definatly does, but I think Jason Allison is a good comparison. Puts up a couple good seasons, but will struggle to find NHL employment none the less.
I will be thrilled if Schremp turns into a Jason Allison clone. I think Yannick Perrault without the faceoff ability is a better comparison.
In terms of winning hockey games, yes. I feel Schremp's ability on the powerplay will make him a slightly more valuable player but it should be obvious by now that I am not all that high on the kid. I'm not willing to count him out though, he's shown a willingness to improve in the past and his shot and passing ability are both absolutely lethal.But Perrault without the faceoff ability.. is that about one of the most useless players you can think of?
Okay, who?
I never understood why Oiler fans were so high on Schremp, yet almost completely ignore Cogliano. Comments?In terms of winning hockey games, yes. I feel Schremp's ability on the powerplay will make him a slightly more valuable player but it should be obvious by now that I am not all that high on the kid. I'm not willing to count him out though, he's shown a willingness to improve in the past and his shot and passing ability are both absolutely lethal.
Malkin, Nash, Vyborny, Semin, Zherdev, McCarthy, Coulombe, Brunette, Mellanby, Lindros, Erhoff, Hutchinson, Letang, Ribiero, Parrish, J.Hamiliton, J.Jokinen?
Ice time... ES+SH : PP = 2:1... or in many cases 2:1+
Okay, who?