Blue Jays Discussion: RIP Roy Halladay (1977-2017)

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  1. Discoverer

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    Zero. The chances the Jays outbid the Yankees and Dodgers for Otani are zero. Not because they won't be willing to pay up, of course, but because every team in baseball will make the exact same bid ($20 million, which is the max) for the right to negotiate, and then once they've made that bid every team in baseball will offer the most they possibly can for his services, with the caveat that they're limited by their available international bonus pool money. For the Jays, that's $50,000. For the Dodgers, it's $300,000. For the Yankees, it's over $3,000,000.
     
  2. zeke

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    and which of them inherited a 75 win team with a 28th ranked system?
     
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    That’s one side of the story. Edwin always wanted to come back to Toronto. It would have happened if they did it right. Missing out on Morales and Pearce wasn’t something to worry about. There’s a reason neither of them can find a home long term.

    As Zeke mentioned, AA built a legitimate contender. He opened a window with a roster that needed some tweaks and Shatkins has done nothing but take backwards steps.

    ....I don’t give a damn about the farm system. I want October baseball. AA did it, while these idiots are exceptional at building bridesmaids.
     
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    Guerrero and Bichette for Stanton. Get it done!
     
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    Rizzo inherited a 59-win team with the 26th ranked system. So...
     
  6. Diamond Joe Quimby

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    Lol

    Rizzo (59 wins), Hoyer (71), Duquette (66), Luhnow (56), Bridich (66), Falvey (59), Hazen (69)

    I'd check the farm system rankings but I feel like this is (a) enough pwnage for now and (b) I'm off to the gym.
     
  7. Diamond Joe Quimby

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    Gitterdunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn (spits chew into a spitter).
     
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    Luhnow inherited a 56-win team with the 26th ranked system. Is that bad enough?
     
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    That’s obviously not what I mean. Stanton doesn’t fix this team, anyway.

    Again, you guys can laugh... enjoy being bridesmaids for the next decade. That’s all these fools have ever built. Call me when they’ve put a real boss in the chair - they aren’t competing with the big boys until then.
     
  10. Eyedea

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    Are you conveniently revising history or did you simply forget AA wasting several years of Bautista and Encarnacion's prime in hopes of building a farm system that could sustainably compete? There was a reason why he was often being compared to "stand" Pat Gillick.
     
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    A young, first time GM took time to assess his options. It’s difficult to lure free agents here so his plan was to stockpile blue chip arms and parlay them when the time was right. He wasn’t going to overpay free agents.

    He executed his plan. It almost worked. Now he’s gone before he could finish the job while the Jays are back to a sub .500 team.
     
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    Why would he need time to assess his options in an organization that he's been employed by for seven years? If anything you're making a case as to why Ross Atkins is maintaining big league status quo and building his farm system.
     
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    Duquette (1yrs): inherited 66wins, 21st BA org talent ranking, + 4th overall pick
    Hazen (1yrs): inherited 69wins, 28th BA org talent ranking, +7th overall pick
    Bridich (3yrs): inherited 66 wins, 8th BA org talent ranking, +3rd overall pick
    Rizzo (4yrs): inherited 59wins, 21st BA org talent ranking, +1st overall pick
    Hoyer (4yrs): inherited 71wins, 16th BA org talent ranking, +2nd overall pick
    AA (5yrs): inherited 75wins, 19th BA org talent ranking, +11th overall pick


    Falvey? he inherited 94 wins.
     
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    We will win division this year. You heard it from me first.
     
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    In context, AA inherited a much better team than 75 wins. They were 75-86 with a +27 run differential. Next year their best pitcher is gone and their four best offensive players were either ineffective or gone, and you still shift +10 in the win column despite maintaining that same run differential.
     
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    I appreciate you admitting you’re wrong in a very Zekian way.
     
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    Because a different chair has different buttons to press. He deserves an award for moving Vernon Wells.

    Atkins inherited a much better major league team that had a legitimate chance to win with the right tweaks.... but instead, we’re back to ‘rebuilding the minors’ .... Great! I can’t wait! I can’t tell you how excited I am to catch the Lansing Lugnuts in action!

    This team won’t get another cent of my money.
     
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    He also inherited pre-breakout Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion.
     
  20. theaub

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    AA showing up as a retread utility player turned into one of the best hitters of the decade sure didn't hurt (albeit, full credit to AA for locking him up after 2010).
     
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    could make the same argument for all those teams, really.
     
  22. Discoverer

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    No, you absolutely can't.
     
  23. zeke

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    i stand by "only 5yrs".

    i never argued it was the shortest ever.
     
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    Well you can, it just wouldnt be a good one.
     
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    No? explain to me the moves duquette made to change his team into a playoff team the first season.
     

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