Rielly vs Ristolainen

Rielly vs Ristolainen

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Brobust

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Sep 29, 2017
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I love how Leafs fans are experts on a team they've probably watched 0 times this season.

They're a rival Atlantic team. Why wouldn't we watch them?

Just because you don't watch the leafs doesn't mean that we don't watch your team.
 

Aladyyn

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Apr 6, 2015
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We saw the same thing before there with Myers. He was amazing and all this until he was traded and we seen he is a 2nd pairing D.



You are using offensive metrics for defensmen. I am also interested to see the QoC numbers, as IIRC no other D has played harder minutes than Rielly.
No, I'm using overall metrics. There are 2 sides to the puck, both equally as important.

QoC differences are negligible.
 

1specter

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No, I'm using overall metrics. There are 2 sides to the puck, both equally as important.

QoC differences are negligible.
No, they're not lol. And it's becoming more clear as more work is being done on it. This was a major failing for the stats community as they did not factor this in as much as they should have.

Anyways, I said Rielly from the beginning and I'm definitely sticking by it now. HF has given Risto a pass because he's young and huge and scores points, and if you're a big D with offense on this website you're praised as a God. But it's becoming abundantly clear that he's way in over his head defensively and simply cannot defend at the level of a top pairing D.

Last year and before the excuse was Josh Gorges but this year paired with Scandella although he's improved he's still been bad defensively.
 

Aladyyn

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No, they're not lol. And it's becoming more clear as more work is being done on it. This was a major failing for the stats community as they did not factor this in as much as they should have.

Anyways, I said Rielly from the beginning and I'm definitely sticking by it now. HF has given Risto a pass because he's young and huge and scores points, and if you're a big D with offense on this website you're praised as a God. But it's becoming abundantly clear that he's way in over his head defensively and simply cannot defend at the level of a top pairing D.

Last year and before the excuse was Josh Gorges but this year paired with Scandella although he's improved he's still been bad defensively.
No he hasn't............
 

pheasant

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Risto is not having a good season so far, and Rielly is doing great. But I'd have to see this continue for both guys a lot longer before I feel comfortable saying Rielly is better.

I'll still take the hitting, blocking, shooting behemoth for now. Maybe if his team didn't overplay him for 27 minutes a game (6 more than Morgan) he could find a bit more composure on the ice.
 

IPS

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Sep 28, 2017
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Let's see here: A legit #1 D-man who's one of the leading scorers for D-men or a 3rd pairing offensive specialist.

Pretty obvious this is Rielly.
 

Patrik Barkov

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Let's see here: A legit #1 D-man who's one of the leading scorers for D-men or a 3rd pairing offensive specialist.

Pretty obvious this is Rielly.
Let's see here: A biased review not only overrating a Leaf but also bashing an other teams player for no reason.

Pretty obvious this is a Leafs fan.
 
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IPS

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Let's see here: A biased review not only overrating a Leaf but also bashing an other teams player for no reason.

Pretty obvious this is a Leafs fan.
Where am I wrong factually?

Risto gets slaughtered beyond belief in his current usage and Rielly is absolutely killing it so far this season. It's ok if you don't want to accept reality but atleast provide an argument.
 

Aladyyn

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Where am I wrong factually?

Risto gets slaughtered beyond belief in his current usage and Rielly is absolutely killing it so far this season. It's ok if you don't want to accept reality but atleast provide an argument.
Anywhere you talk about Ristolainen, pretty much.
 

Patrik Barkov

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Where am I wrong factually?

Risto gets slaughtered beyond belief in his current usage and Rielly is absolutely killing it so far this season. It's ok if you don't want to accept reality but atleast provide an argument.

Most would. Rielly probably would. He's playing over 27 minutes a night on a bad defensive team with average goaltending. Also that's an overstatement as his stats simply don't show him getting "slaughtered beyond belief".

I don't have that big of a problem with you calling Rielly a number #1 Dman, because he's been great so far. Still want to see him perform at that level for a longer time before claiming a #1 myself. However saying Risto is a 3rd pairing Dman is ridiculous. He'd be atleast #2 on the Leafs no doubt.
 

stl76

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Jul 2, 2015
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Let's see here: A legit #1 D-man who's one of the leading scorers for D-men or a 3rd pairing offensive specialist.

Pretty obvious this is Rielly.
Legit #1 D-men play more than 21:07 mins per game. This poll is Reilly, but give me a freaking break.

Anywhere you talk about Ristolainen, pretty much.
You forgot the parts where he talks about Reilly.
 
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Snippit

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Who exactly did the Leafs have outside of Rielly and Gardiner the past couple years? It's not like Rielly played on a much better defensive team. He's had a rotating cast of defensive pairings as well.

Risto is just not cut out to play the role he's given. When Buffalo gets a better D than Risto who can move him down the lineup, they will get better and suddenly the Sabres fans won't blame coaching for everything that is wrong with the team.

They wanted Housley so bad in the offseason, now they think he's terrible. The lineup is the problem, not the coaching.

Do you know who the second worst CA/60 is? Bozak. Bozak was given #1C minutes for nearly 5 years before Babcock came out of necessity. He still gets caved in on ES occasionally despite easy minutes but the Leafs are much better because we now have Matthews and Kadri above him.

Buffalo needs Dahlin bad. I'd tank this season, trade whatever it takes outside of Eichel to get Dahlin if they don't win the lottery.

Sabres fans think: Risto is better than Rielly, Eichel is better than Matthews, ROR is better than Kadri, Reinhart is better than Marner/Nylander, Lehner is better than Andersen. Yet their team sucks.

I guess Babcock is just a wizard making the inferior Leafs look a lot better than the Sabres.

The bolded:

1) More than just Sabres fans think ROR is better than Kadri. I would hazard a guess that 90% or more of avid hockey fans would share that opinion. Kadri's closed the gap though
2) How many Sabres fans think Reinhart is better than Marner or Nylander?

I honestly don't know what you're talking about when I read this. Reinhart and Lehner are frequent whipping boys on our board these days - who is making these claims? 1 or 2 mainboard posters?

You don't need to make up bullshit
 

Mr Hockey

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May 11, 2017
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Rielly is having a very good offensive year but he is not a "#1" dman yet, my opinion.
 

Panthaz89

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Dec 24, 2016
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Well he's definitely better than the Risto that is stuck on IR and can't play atm. All I gotta say is its a miracle when the Sabres aren't giving up at least 3 goals when he is out.
 

Panthaz89

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Dec 24, 2016
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Risto is a pylon who doesn't even put up points, so I don't see how anybody could say he's better than Rielly.
He was top 15 in scoring for D last year and at one point the Sabres lost a game 4-3 while he had a hat-trick....
 

Neutral Hockey Fan

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Legit #1 D-men play more than 21:07 mins per game. This poll is Reilly, but give me a freaking break.


You forgot the parts where he talks about Reilly.
Shouldn't a "legit #1 Dman" not be behind 3 other Dmen on their team in TOI at least?

Chris Pronger was 3rd in ice time per game among defenceman on the 2007 Ducks in the playoffs. Clearly he wasn't a #1 guy, right?
 

Asiantuntija

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Nov 4, 2016
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I'm a Jets fan too, but uhhh, no. Rielly is playing waaaay better than any of the Jets D this year.

No he's not. Our defense has been better than ever. Big B & Myers both top on their game. They are shutting down opponents night after night. And gives so much help for our offense.
 

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