Rielly vs Ristolainen

Rielly vs Ristolainen

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Isaac Nootin

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Ristolainen - More physical, plays way more minutes and is more effective on the offensive end in worse team. Hopefully he turns around his production back to normal soon.

There's a reason he plays "way more minutes", and it has nothing to do with being better at the game of hockey.

Much like Eichel and Matthews.
 

Morgs

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I think if Risto played in a Burns role, he could have a Schultz type of "resurgence". Heavy OZS, easy QoC, lots of PP minutes. Problem is Buffalo's defense is comically bad after Risto/Scandella (who both can't handle the minutes they're given). and they have nobody better to take on the role.

I'd prefer Rielly though, no question.
 

Aladyyn

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I think if Risto played in a Burns role, he could have a Schultz type of "resurgence". Heavy OZS, easy QoC, lots of PP minutes. Problem is Buffalo's defense is comically bad after Risto/Scandella (who both can't handle the minutes they're given). and they have nobody better to take on the role.

I'd prefer Rielly though, no question.
That is straight up false.
 

Pi

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Rielly has been better for a while.

Ristolainen has the WORST CA/60 amongst all NHL players in the league who have played more than 5000 mins since he's entered the league. The worst of them all. Every single NHL player who has played since he entered the league has been better.

Buffalo plays him for 25+ mins and wonders why they lose. He gets caved in on even strength. People keep blaming his linemates but he's just bad on ES. It won't be long till the few people that believe he's great finally admit he's nothing more than a decent top 4 D if given moderate minutes. He should be playing 18-19 mins a game against 2nd/3rd lines.
 

Morgs

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Rielly has been better for a while.

Ristolainen has the WORST CA/60 amongst all NHL players in the league who have played more than 5000 mins since he's entered the league. The worst of them all. Every single NHL player who has played since he entered the league has been better.

Buffalo plays him for 25+ mins and wonders why they lose. He gets caved in on even strength. People keep blaming his linemates but he's just bad on ES. It won't be long till the few people that believe he's great finally admit he's nothing more than a decent top 4 D if given moderate minutes. He should be playing 18-19 mins a game against 2nd/3rd lines.

You'll never see me defending Risto (who I don't think is nearly what most people think he is), but this stat is taken completely out of context.

Think about who on their team could fill his role. Think about how bad Buffalo has been since he's been in the NHL.

As much as I think he's a bad 5v5 defenseman, he's never had any help, and has never had a good partner. Look what a good partner has done for Rielly..
 

Pi

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You'll never see me defending Risto (who I don't think is nearly what most people think he is), but this stat is taken completely out of context.

Think about who on their team could fill his role. Think about how bad Buffalo has been since he's been in the NHL.

As much as I think he's a bad 5v5 defenseman, he's never had any help, and has never had a good partner. Look what a good partner has done for Rielly..

Who exactly did the Leafs have outside of Rielly and Gardiner the past couple years? It's not like Rielly played on a much better defensive team. He's had a rotating cast of defensive pairings as well.

Risto is just not cut out to play the role he's given. When Buffalo gets a better D than Risto who can move him down the lineup, they will get better and suddenly the Sabres fans won't blame coaching for everything that is wrong with the team.

They wanted Housley so bad in the offseason, now they think he's terrible. The lineup is the problem, not the coaching.

Do you know who the second worst CA/60 is? Bozak. Bozak was given #1C minutes for nearly 5 years before Babcock came out of necessity. He still gets caved in on ES occasionally despite easy minutes but the Leafs are much better because we now have Matthews and Kadri above him.

Buffalo needs Dahlin bad. I'd tank this season, trade whatever it takes outside of Eichel to get Dahlin if they don't win the lottery.

Sabres fans think: Risto is better than Rielly, Eichel is better than Matthews, ROR is better than Kadri, Reinhart is better than Marner/Nylander, Lehner is better than Andersen. Yet their team sucks.

I guess Babcock is just a wizard making the inferior Leafs look a lot better than the Sabres.
 

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Who exactly did the Leafs have outside of Rielly and Gardiner the past couple years? It's not like Rielly played on a much better defensive team. He's had a rotating cast of defensive pairings as well.

Risto is just not cut out to play the role he's given. When Buffalo gets a better D than Risto who can move him down the lineup, they will get better and suddenly the Sabres fans won't blame coaching for everything that is wrong with the team.

They wanted Housley so bad in the offseason, now they think he's terrible. The lineup is the problem, not the coaching.

Do you know who the second worst CA/60 is? Bozak. Bozak was given #1C minutes for nearly 5 years before Babcock came out of necessity. He still gets caved in on ES occasionally despite easy minutes but the Leafs are much better because we now have Matthews and Kadri above him.

Buffalo needs Dahlin bad. I'd tank this season, trade whatever it takes outside of Eichel to get Dahlin if they don't win the lottery.

Sabres fans think: Risto is better than Rielly, Eichel is better than Matthews, ROR is better than Kadri, Reinhart is better than Marner/Nylander, Lehner is better than Andersen. Yet their team sucks.

I guess Babcock is just a wizard making the inferior Leafs look a lot better than the Sabres.

This so much.
 

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Ristolainen - More physical, plays way more minutes and is more effective on the offensive end in worse team. Hopefully he turns around his production back to normal soon.
He's hardly more offensive in the offensive end, at 5v5 Rielly has 6 more points and 9 more primary since the start of 2015/16. He's a powerplay specialist, who until this year has been a sieve in regards possession, and gives up the blue line for zone-entries at ease. The difference in point production in total is primarily fueled by the fact the Sabres played Risto on the power play a hell of a lot more.
 

Brock Radunske

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I don't see how anyone can take Risto at this point, but I suspect the poll to be closer than it should be.
 
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Brock Radunske

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Who exactly did the Leafs have outside of Rielly and Gardiner the past couple years? It's not like Rielly played on a much better defensive team. He's had a rotating cast of defensive pairings as well.

Risto is just not cut out to play the role he's given. When Buffalo gets a better D than Risto who can move him down the lineup, they will get better and suddenly the Sabres fans won't blame coaching for everything that is wrong with the team.

They wanted Housley so bad in the offseason, now they think he's terrible. The lineup is the problem, not the coaching.

Do you know who the second worst CA/60 is? Bozak. Bozak was given #1C minutes for nearly 5 years before Babcock came out of necessity. He still gets caved in on ES occasionally despite easy minutes but the Leafs are much better because we now have Matthews and Kadri above him.

Buffalo needs Dahlin bad. I'd tank this season, trade whatever it takes outside of Eichel to get Dahlin if they don't win the lottery.

Sabres fans think: Risto is better than Rielly, Eichel is better than Matthews, ROR is better than Kadri, Reinhart is better than Marner/Nylander, Lehner is better than Andersen. Yet their team sucks.

I guess Babcock is just a wizard making the inferior Leafs look a lot better than the Sabres.

I remember when Disco-Dan was the right coach and Murray was a great GM, too.
The team has some excellent players but it is just built in a strange way that isn't working.
I think that they are one of those teams who could be tweaked and then be really good right away, though.
 

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He's hardly more offensive in the offensive end, at 5v5 Rielly has 6 more points and 9 more primary since the start of 2015/16. He's a powerplay specialist, who until this year has been a sieve in regards possession, and gives up the blue line for zone-entries at ease. The difference in point production in total is primarily fueled by the fact the Sabres played Risto on the power play a hell of a lot more.

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Yep Risto is pretty damn awful at defending zone entries.
 

Pi

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I love how Leafs fans are experts on a team they've probably watched 0 times this season.

Their record with Ristolainen playing 25 mins speaks for itself. There is a reason why all the stats favour Rielly. It's because he's better.

Since people keep mentioning how much better Ristolainen is offensively, here are some facts:

Even strength points since 15/16
Rielly 56
Krug 56
Parayko 54
Doughty 54
Shattenkirk 53
OEL 53
Gardiner 52
Weber 48

He just never got any PP time before this season under Babcock.

How many people have watched the Leafs that they are such experts on them? People think the D has played bad when the goalies have been shit so far.

Rielly playing like a #1D offensively and defensively. 55% CF with tough minutes but the team allows 3+ goals a game as a whole so it must mean that he sucks.
 

Aladyyn

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Their record with Ristolainen playing 25 mins speaks for itself. There is a reason why all the stats favour Rielly. It's because he's better.

Since people keep mentioning how much better Ristolainen is offensively, here are some facts:

Even strength points since 15/16
Rielly 56
Krug 56
Parayko 54
Doughty 54
Shattenkirk 53
OEL 53
Gardiner 52
Weber 48

He just never got any PP time before this season under Babcock.

How many people have watched the Leafs that they are such experts on them? People think the D has played bad when the goalies have been **** so far.

Rielly playing like a #1D offensively and defensively. 55% CF with tough minutes but the team allows 3+ goals a game as a whole so it must mean that he sucks.
RelT CF%
Rielly +4.04
Ristolainen +3.62

RelT xGF%
Rielly -3.88
Ristolainen +0.82

One of these is "playing like a 1D" and the other "can't handle the load."

Joke.
 

zeke

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I like Rielly better by a good margin but I feel bad for Risto - Risto is asked to do way too much. There's no way he should play the minutes he does. If he played sheltered 2nd pair minutes like many of the overrated young dmen in the league do, he'd look much better.
 

Kamiccolo

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Who exactly did the Leafs have outside of Rielly and Gardiner the past couple years? It's not like Rielly played on a much better defensive team. He's had a rotating cast of defensive pairings as well.

Risto is just not cut out to play the role he's given. When Buffalo gets a better D than Risto who can move him down the lineup, they will get better and suddenly the Sabres fans won't blame coaching for everything that is wrong with the team.

They wanted Housley so bad in the offseason, now they think he's terrible. The lineup is the problem, not the coaching.

Do you know who the second worst CA/60 is? Bozak. Bozak was given #1C minutes for nearly 5 years before Babcock came out of necessity. He still gets caved in on ES occasionally despite easy minutes but the Leafs are much better because we now have Matthews and Kadri above him.

Buffalo needs Dahlin bad. I'd tank this season, trade whatever it takes outside of Eichel to get Dahlin if they don't win the lottery.

Sabres fans think: Risto is better than Rielly, Eichel is better than Matthews, ROR is better than Kadri, Reinhart is better than Marner/Nylander, Lehner is better than Andersen. Yet their team sucks.

I guess Babcock is just a wizard making the inferior Leafs look a lot better than the Sabres.

We saw the same thing before there with Myers. He was amazing and all this until he was traded and we seen he is a 2nd pairing D.

RelT CF%
Rielly +4.04
Ristolainen +3.62

RelT xGF%
Rielly -3.88
Ristolainen +0.82

One of these is "playing like a 1D" and the other "can't handle the load."

Joke.

You are using offensive metrics for defensmen. I am also interested to see the QoC numbers, as IIRC no other D has played harder minutes than Rielly.
 
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naruto

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Risto is an offensive dman, sucks defensively. Rielly produces the same offense (or even better) and is way better defensively. No brainer
 

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