Research Thread for NHL Award and All-star Voting

[Sanf]

Also I found piece of 1969 TSN Eestern division voting. Player of the year was Esposito.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CXZQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5RAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7474%2C5134083

 

[Theokritos]

Also I found piece of 1969 TSN Eestern division voting. Player of the year was Esposito.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CXZQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5RAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7474%2C5134083

Rookie of the Year in Eastern Division: Brad Park.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pVlMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rjEDAAAAIBAJ&hl=de&pg=4057%2C7182184

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i just found this--

wouldn't it be nice?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

in other conn smythe transparency news: elliotte friedman just said on cbc that there will be 4 sj voters, 4 pittsburgh voters, and 11 "general" voters. he is one of the generals. (he also called out the recent years' "recency bias," meaning that the last game can vault a guy into the discussion, and also admitted that they vote with ten mins to go in the third, which i think we all already knew.)

kind of exciting even to know just that much.

 

[Ishdul]

in other conn smythe transparency news: elliotte friedman just said on cbc that there will be 4 sj voters, 4 pittsburgh voters, and 11 "general" voters. he is one of the generals. (he also called out the recent years' "recency bias," meaning that the last game can vault a guy into the discussion, and also admitted that they vote with ten mins to go in the third, which i think we all already knew.)

kind of exciting even to know just that much.

He also said you could put qualifiers on your choices (like if your #2 choice scores in OT he's raised to #1), which I didn't know about and seems a bit odd. If you can do that, why not just wait for the game to conclude before voting?

 

[Uncle Rotter]

He also said you could put qualifiers on your choices (like if your #2 choice scores in OT he's raised to #1), which I didn't know about and seems a bit odd. If you can do that, why not just wait for the game to conclude before voting?

They have to collect and count the votes the old fashioned way in time for the ceremony.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He also said you could put qualifiers on your choices (like if your #2 choice scores in OT he's raised to #1), which I didn't know about and seems a bit odd. If you can do that, why not just wait for the game to conclude before voting?

Probably because these media guys have to be dispersed around the building very shortly after the mid-3rd.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

eagerly anticipating this year's voting results.

you guys think kane will be unanimous?

 

[Michael Farkas]

Definitely not, not even close. Though he will win, it won't be by any noteworthy margin.

 

[Ishdul]

Kane gets 121 out of 150 first place votes, slightly over 80%.

1. Patrick Kane, CHI 1395 (121-22-5-2-0)
2. Sidney Crosby, PIT 800 (11-64-31-24-15)
3. Jamie Benn, DAL 637 (8-34-40-34-17)
4. Braden Holtby, WSH 292 (5-13-19-13-17)
5. Joe Thornton, SJS 267 (0-8-19-31-23)
6. Alex Ovechkin, WSH 212 (2-6-18-13-21)
7. Jaromir Jagr, FLA 60 (1-1-5-4-6)
8. Anze Kopitar, LAK 53 (1-0-2-8-9)
9. Erik Karlsson, OTT 44 (0-1-4-2-11)
10. Ben Bishop, TBL 42 (1-1-1-4-8)
11. Drew Doughty, LAK 29 (0-0-2-5-4)
12. Vladimir Tarasenko, STL 13 (0-0-1-1-5)

 

[The Panther]

7. Jaromir Jagr, FLA 60 (1-1-5-4-6)

...the hell? Is that a 1st place vote for Jagr?

 

[seventieslord]

...the hell? Is that a 1st place vote for Jagr?

I'm only slightly less upset at the other 16 voters who thought he was one of the five most valuable players in the league. I mean really, Crosby, Benn, Kane, Kopitar, Bergeron, Doughty, Karlsson, Thornton, Holtby... there's no reason to give Jagr a vote at all.

 

[The Panther]

I'm only slightly less upset at the other 16 voters who thought he was one of the five most valuable players in the league. I mean really, Crosby, Benn, Kane, Kopitar, Bergeron, Doughty, Karlsson, Thornton, Holtby... there's no reason to give Jagr a vote at all.

I mean, I dunno, MAYBE I could understand a Florida-based writer giving him a third-place vote... (I said, "maybe")... but even then, it's a stretch.

A first-place vote?

Should we assume this is the same knob who voted Brent Sutter 1st in 1985?

 

[Ishdul]

...the hell? Is that a 1st place vote for Jagr?

Yep. I think he was a better story than he was a player this year. Gonna be weird seeing him 7th in Hart voting this year in contrast to some of his prime years where he got next to no consideration.

 

[pnep]

2015-2016 NHL Awards Voting Results

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

McDavid was left off NINE ballots??

 

[Theokritos]

2015-2016 NHL Awards Voting Results

Thanks! Sticky is up to date now.

 

[Czech Your Math]

Yep. I think he was a better story than he was a player this year. Gonna be weird seeing him 7th in Hart voting this year in contrast to some of his prime years where he got next to no consideration.

We can't question the knowledge of professional hockey media, especially when attributing intangibles like leadership as the reason for team success!

 

[Canadiens1958]

Consider

I'm only slightly less upset at the other 16 voters who thought he was one of the five most valuable players in the league. I mean really, Crosby, Benn, Kane, Kopitar, Bergeron, Doughty, Karlsson, Thornton, Holtby... there's no reason to give Jagr a vote at all.

Consider the following,Larry Brooks, NY Post article from April 9, 2016:

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/panthers-jaromir-jagr-is-unquestionably-the-nhl-mvp/

Based on a fairly accurate historic foundation about the Hart with flawed follow-up.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Looking at the number of ballots Erik Karlsson was not on for the Hart (especially compared to other Eastern Conference players), I'd say the cost of missing the playoffs in awards results is too high.

 

[Michael Farkas]

McDavid was left off NINE ballots??

He missed half the season, that's not that inconceivable. Crosby was docked a lay-up Hart Trophy for missing 12 games in 2013...Jagr too when he missed a quarter of the games in 2000...

 

[Michael Farkas]

Looking at the number of ballots Erik Karlsson was not on for the Hart (especially compared to other Eastern Conference players), I'd say the cost of missing the playoffs in awards results is too high.

I had Karlsson as a Hart contender myself, in the truest sense of the word. I know it's unrealistic, but does anyone mean more to his team than EK (in 2015-16)? Hard to fathom...they would have finished 9th in the AHL without him...

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

He missed half the season, that's not that inconceivable. Crosby was docked a lay-up Hart Trophy for missing 12 games in 2013...Jagr too when he missed a quarter of the games in 2000...

Different situation. Both those guys were still runner-ups. They lost close races where their injuries were part of the deciding factor.

To vote five guys ahead of McDavid is incomprehensible, if not flat-out incompetence.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Different situation. Both those guys were still runner-ups. They lost close races where their injuries were part of the deciding factor.

To vote five guys ahead of McDavid is incomprehensible, if not flat-out incompetence.

I'm not saying you're wrong...but there's a fair claim to be made that the guy that missed half the season (not a quarter) on a dog **** team not be viewed as valuable as Eichel or Larkin or whoever else...

McDavid was 3 on my personal ballot for what it's worth...though it was close 3/4 between him and Larkin for me...

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Funny to see the rather large discrepancy between Karlsson and Doughty for the Norris and AST voting. Makes me think that a lot of them gave it to Doughty as a career award, since there is no reason for such a major flip flop in voting when it's the same guys voting. Anyone got another reason for that?

And as usual, nice to see that certain PHWA voters are qualified for voting as is evidenced by their decisions on the positional ballots.