Discussion in 'The Business of Hockey' started by Raging Bull, Sep 12, 2005.
Hmmmmm.....not a real big surprise.
"This is supposed to be a democratic union and it's become communist," Roloson was quoted telling the Star.
-Heh, I guess explaining to Roloson that communism is an economic system and the political term he's probably looking for is totalitarian would be a wasted effort.
-Karl Marx is spinning in his grave, Dwayne! SPINNING! IN HIS GRAVE!
The entire NHLPA brass should be moved
Irrespective of the hiring process scandal, I think the NHLPA did not bend over quite as much as people suspect.
The rollback may have been an issue, but we've already seen what the reduced UFA age can do for young players on the up and up.
Damn, you beat me to it. . .
I think it's funny that a communist system would actually be more representative of the people than a democratic system, rather than the other way around. Maybe he was just looking for a buzz word....
You beat me to it as well. I laughed because Dwayne obviously doesn't understand communism. Of course, years of pop culture defining communism by the standards of the Soviet Union doesn't help.
Yeah, until the escrow kicks in. The system as designed will result in large escrow payments from the players. No attempt was made to have salaries aprozimately equal 54% of revenues, so the players are going to be paying ALOT of money in escrow.
Does the union really want to be lead by guys like Roloson (who apparently does not understand what communism is), Chelios and Tie Domi? Is that really what they want?
Saskin is the best man for the job, and Linden understands the issues far more than the 3 stooges named above. I understand that their concerns are with "the process" and not the result, but airing their dirty laundry like this smacks of looking for scapegoats after their own greed cost them a year of salary.
The union continues to implode...what a bunch of fools.
The reduced UFA age was really a non-economic concession by the owners. It doesn't change the total dollars going to players - the players will get there 54%, no more, no less. It just takes money from some players (older vets) and gives it to others (up and coming players) - it is a zero sum game.
They need to have JR and Hull co-chair the Union, so they can split the media obligations and duties between them.
Well actually communism is a political term and the transitional period to communism is called socialism(private property is allowed to a degree of nessesity and the prosperity). Russia was a socialist country in the mold of Canada but with totalitarian government. Communism in reality( from the word community) is a future system for the world where the technological progress will replace monetary funds and people would work for the pure satisfaction of the mind. All the menial tasks will be handled by robots, I guess. Star trek society comes to mind. Anyway, Communism in reality is the ECONOMIC system at the end of the day, and its the way of life only for the future of this plaent. There is no way around it.
You're a joke bud. Linden who did not even graduate from high school negotatied Saskin's promotion. They did not abide by the proper rules either. Saskin played Linden for the idiot he is.
Suddenly, all your other posts make sense now.
So...that is one "yes" vote for the Roloson/Domi/Chelios triumvirate?
You sure you are putting your money on the right horse here, bud?
Who would you suggest take over for Saskin? Rocky Thompson?
Yikes, when the axe falls, it falls hard
I read that he graduated from Medicine Hat High School
My point was that democracy and communism are not necessarily diametrically opposing principles, any more so than to say that capitalism and democracy are necessarily one and the same.
Communism is an economic distinction, but Marx proposed that politics was itself a function of class and thus economics, which blended the terms together.
What's funny about your vision of communism is that it is very much opposed to what Marx envisaged. Marx was a fierce opponent of technological progress, in that it dehumanized labour and took creativity out of the labour process, thereby alienating the individual. The product and individual productive activity are separated by the function of technology. The less involved an individual is with the product of their own labour, the more alienated they were within the economic system. I don't think Marx would be pleased to see menial tasks completely removed from human society.
Many have argued that the so-called "communist" economic system employed in the Soviet Union was in fact a command economy within the "state capitalism" model. The economy was not a bottom-up amalgamation of the collective efforts of the labourer, and was instead a top-down model which imposed the form and function of labour onto the working class.
The value of your commentary is diminished by your lack of knowledge on the subject matter.
Saskin might be the best man for the job, there might have been a better candidate out there if they conducted a more thorough search. My question is what was so urgent that they needed to conduct the vote after 2 AM? When you have a vote and you don't follow your typical union voting procedures and you're voting at 2 AM, it makes you look like there's something to hide. I don't know if there is anything sinister in the Saskin hiring, I don't think there is, but it just looks suspicious when you violate your own rules and you're hiring guys at 2 AM.
Here is a link to a more up to date article about where the disent is coming from:
Either that or it is the same article updated with more information. I seems like a non-starter but interesting nonetheless.
I'm sorry I dont care how hard they tried or didn't try, they should be stepping down. Losing a year of hockey when the sport was struggling for popularity and support, was just totally ridiculous and stupid. They lost hockey a lot of fans. Its time for saskin and Linden to step the hell down.
LMAO!! That discussion is totally off topic.
But good post.
Saskin and Linden have the majority support from the PA...not all, but majority...When Knob Goodenow ran the show he had the minority of the PA's support and looked what happened...Take a vote boys, and the majority will tell you that Ted and Trevor are the guys responsible for hockey this coming October...
Goodenow was the hard liner who convinced the players that holding out for a season would avoid a cap.
Linden and Saskin were the "moderates" who did not want a cap, either, but knew the union would not survive another lost season. You'll recall that the "first" time the season was cancelled last spring, it was Linden and Saskin who got the sides back together...ultimately, they were not successful, but they were not prepared to lose an entire season at that time, unlike Chelios, Klatt, Domi, etc.
Now the union hardliners have seen their man (Goodenow) get the axe, and they smell blood. I'm not sure how losing Linden and Saskin will help the union at this point, seeing as they are the two who negotiated the deal and know it better than anyone on the players side.
30 team union reps voted pretty convincingly to make Saskin the new man. At the time, no one who was voting *****ed about how the vote was being conducted, or the hour of the day it was being done at. Why didn't the reps vote against Saskin then, if they did not want him?
The union hard-liners want to nail Linden and Saskin to the wall, and I think they are ultimately cutting their own throats.