Discussion in 'Arizona Coyotes' started by Katie Connauton, May 8, 2018.
TV pbp is different. It's a more granular commentary rather than wide picture like radio.
The Coyotes did a simulcast for a couple of years. It was fine.
I didn't like it. It was a compromise in technique. I got less than I wanted out of both TV and radio.
Funny @Katie Connauton posted this. I kept meaning to post something similar, but hadn't gotten around to it.
The radio crew is good; I probably attend 1/2 the games and listen to more of the remainder than I watch. Biz has been terrific, though I was also a Boynton fan. Biz could (should and will) replace Nash on TV, the question is when and how.
My intended post was to encourage all you hockey nerds to hashtag #firenash #firetyson or any other form of shame and protest to the Coyotes and Fox Sports SM accounts. Send Fox an email too, I have. Do the same for Walsh; it's time this team had a media make-over.
PS: Tyson would suck nuts even if the Coyotes won the SC, my disdain for his baffoonery has nothing to do with the team's success, or lack there of.
I also listen to XM and think about 25 of them are better than Heeter . He's not bad, but he's not good either. Biz though will be a great next generation color guy somewhere.
Boynton was abysmal imho.
I would rate the TV guys as:
Pxp: Strader, Keilback, McConnell, Macleod
Color: Pang, Nash, Simmer, nobody (sorry, simulcast was a disaster)
McConnell is down right terrible. He can't call a game. Not sure if it's mostly his fault or Nash interrupting and talking too much or McConnell stops calling the play and waits for Nash to start talking. You listen to "Doc" who I think is the best right now, and he will call the game until the whistle and then his side kick will chime in. Walsh can accompany McConnell out the door.
And I like "Doc". I guess different strokes for different folks.
I like Doc too. I've worked with and around PBP guys in a variety of different sports over the years and Doc is one of the best-prepared, most knowledgeable guys you'll ever meet. You want a terrible PBP guy, you should have worked a booth with Marty Reid of ESPN at an IndyCar race like I did once. Hooooooooooooooly awfulness, Batman.
I miss Kielback. I like the baritone voice and that short pause and intake of breath before he screams "He scores!" He must have been a drunkard or something because nobody picked him up after he was let go. Boynton was picked up even after that bar fight.
All I know is that he was EXTREMELY bitter for being let go and spent several years as one of the loudest Coyotes relocation advocates before dipping into real estate, IIRC.
He was pretty great in Goon, though.
Hahaha...oh, man, you're right. He was painful.
"On...............the lead lap"
I don't mind Nash, I think he has been improving although he makes you roll your eyes a couple times a period and you can practically predict what he will say. When he talks the game he isnt bad and I dont mind that he has fun with the job. McConnell is just the worst person to be his partner. They have nothing in common but try to act like best friends. McConnell just seems like the kid in high school Nash used to pick on who grew up and became his coworker. Their relationship seems forced and their banter is cringe worthy. Get a PBP who is more serious and can throw a jab back at Nash and I think the whole production improves. Seems like the NHL network likes Nash though , so maybe he moves there and Biz steps up. That or Biz makes the jump sooner rather than later and we are stuck with tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.
Perhaps it's just the way I watch the games but I've never grown a real dislike for any commentators really. Just too absorbed into the play on the ice to really get annoyed. Only one, actually... Pierre Mcguire. Something about him I find a bit grating. Oh, and kidcasting is not my cup of tea either. Too distracting from the whole purpose of the broadcast, the actual game.
However, I did recognize that Strader and Pang were quality.
I've long been a fan of Doc. The genuine excitement he can generate with his PBP is in a league of its own.
I love Doc. I think McConnell is the weaker link in our duo, he gets names wrong and drops some important plays. I don't think he is terrible though, at least his voice is decent.
They are homers but they are also home broadcasters. They aren't afraid to point out when the Coyotes get away with one and when the team was absolute dog**** you could feel their disappointment. Nash's game insight is definitely skewed by his old school role and gets repetitive but he's usually not wrong. I like his cheesy schtick. Maybe it's because his banter reminds me of on ice bull****ting.
All said I may be in the minority, I like Pierre and I absolutely can't listen to Rick Jeanneret without wanting to kill myself.
What is it about Nash you all hate so much?
I believe we should all be thankful that we have nobody even close to the awfulness that is Jack Edwards.
Not even Walsh is that bad.
I think y'all are a little harsh in my opinion. McConnell has a good voice, just kind of unorthodox style and has been getting jersey numbers mixed up a lot lately.
Nash does actually have some insight that I think he should use more often, but instead goes with a level of corkiness involving taking shots at Matt and himself much too often. I think both can be better, but we are far from the bottom in the league.
Walsh is a good storyteller and clearly knows his stuff, but holy **** does his schtick get annoying. That somber lowered voice **** post-defeat drives me ****ing bonkers. It's like he's addressing a group that's mourning a loss. His constant references to how long he's worked with the Coyotes and how well-acclimated he is to the team (i.e. "see ya on the plane" & "Rick Tocchett gave me a stick") is annoying too. Get to the meat and potatoes bro, we don't need this foreplay bull****. He also does this fake, exaggerated laugh a lot while looking away from the camera to emphasize, and it kinda makes me want to punch a nun.
other than that they're alright.
I like Doc to an extent. He's a great broadcaster. His voice is just like nails on a chalkboard to me. I don't get annoyed by his colorful vocabulary either, I just think it's silly - which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I'm with you...in the scheme of things, announcers are the least of our problems. Matt is fine, Nash gets annoying but is OK, but I do put Walsh in the Pierre category.
I really dislike Doc Emrick's PBP.
McConnell sounds like baseball PBP reject. He drives me crazy with the " 'll " issue he has.
-"Raanta'll grab the puck behind the net and he'll fire it and it'll clear the zone and Chychrun'll grab it at center ice and he'll pass it up to Domi who'll lose control and it'll dribble into the offensive zone where the Ducks defender'll grab it and pass it over to his partner who'll turn it over to Strome who'll fire and net and the goalie'll stop it and the ref'll blow it dead."
It's maddening. He's awful. His personality sucks. He's a sycophantic mouth breathing weirdo and he gives me the creeps. Ditch him.
Heeter is great. I've always loved Heeter.
I think part of Walsh's problem is that every segment he does it feels like he's trying to make it the most dramatic possible thing. Or he dictates the direction of an interview too much. If he toned it down and saved that dramatic stuff for the speeches on the ice for actual moments calling for it I think it would be better.
I think McConnell is a little below average, but not awful. Nash could be a good fit for Walsh's job, but he's not a good very good color guy IMO. I like Heeter and biz. I'd like Heeter and Biz with Nash between the bench and doing the interviews and whatever the hell else Walsh does. I'd prefer the option to just have rink audio over anything else though
The best simile to describe Walsh is that he's like an insufferable theater actor who endlessly claps his hands together and bows in thanks. He's forever searching for his Regional Emmy for dramatic storytelling, so he crafts this fantastically overwrought narrative in his head and expects his interview subjects to play along.
Nash relies on cliches way too much. "I bet Raanta's going to want that one back" and "Coach Tocchet's not going to like that one."
Every announcer or color man has their cliches. I think I have heard the two you just mentioned by every announcer, more than once.