Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2017)

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    The purpose of this thread is to summarize "Vs X", an adjusted scoring system commonly used by the History of Hockey sub-forum.

    As far as I know, longtime poster BM67 developed the earliest version of the system, wherein each player's stats were compared to the 2nd highest scorer in a given year. The reasoning was sometimes the leading scorer would be an outlier, and other times they wouldn't separate themselves far from the pack - but the runner-up was likely to be more consistent from year to year. This method didn't work because the key assumption (the runner-up being a consistent benchmark each year) is false - but instead of fiddling around with a number of theoretical variables, BM67's system made everyone realize that comparing a player to the league's leaders was a surprisingly elegant and effective system.

    Another longtime poster, Sturminator, refined the methodology. He proposed that our starting point should be using the runner-up as our benchmark - but this can be modified if certain conditions are met. I'm not going to re-post Sturm's analysis - it was a long, well-written post, and I have nothing substantial to add - but you can read about it at http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=60570205&postcount=1.

    The following posts outline the results, and the benchmarks for each year.

    Benefits
    • Ultimately, performance relative to an "adjusted" league leader is captured. Since offense in hockey is relative - a goal today is worth more than a goal in 1982 - the approach is appropriate. Those who have reviewed the results of other adjusted scoring metrics know that changes in league-wide scoring levels don't directly influence the output of the league's top scorers (1993 is a good example - it wasn't that much higher-scoring than 1992 or 1994, but the distribution of the scoring was unique that year). Since the benchmark is the league leader, rather than a theoretical set of variables, the actual results are smoothed out so that the leader boards, excluding any outliers, are relatively consistent from year to year.
    • As a result of the previous point, each season counts equally. A dominant season in 1927 counts just as much as a dominant season in 2017. (Of course, there are far more players in the NHL in 2017 than in, say, 1967, so there are far more players with good and great seasons. But I don't see why an elite performance from 2017 would be inherently better than an elite performance from 1967, so the leaders of both seasons would have similar results).
    • Performance, rather than a player's name, is what ultimately counts. Gretzky is obviously treated as an outlier throughout the 1980s - but in other seasons, like 1997 as an example, he`s not treated as an outlier just because his name is Gretzky, so other players aren`t given an artificial boost.
    • Flexibility. We can look at the top scorers over X number of years. We can make those consecutive or not. We can look at actual results or per-game result. The data can be sliced and diced many different ways.

    Drawbacks
    • This metric focuses on regular season offense only. Performance in the playoffs, defensive acumen, physicality, etc., are all ignored.
    • The actual process for calculating the benchmark each year can be complicated. I know Sturm's system can seem arbitrary or needlessly complex - but I also think it's the best system we have, and each adjustment exists for a reason.
    • Time-consuming to calculate. I have everything set up in Excel so it's (relatively) easy for me to run the numbers. Anyone attempting to do this manually is probably in for hours (or days) of painful effort.
    • The system isn't additive. That is, adding up goals and assists, either for a single season or over the course of a player's career, won't add to their total points. That's because the yearly benchmarks for goals, assists, and points are calculated separately. The majority of the time I think looking at points is ideal, but the system can be useful in isolating goal-scoring or playmaking if desired.

    Notes
    • Throughout this thread, I have data going back to 1926-27 only.
    • Initially there were "weightings" for different seasons (ie a player's best season was given a weighting of A, second-best was given a weighting of B, etc). Ultimately the consensus emerged that this was unnecessary - it added needless complexity for minimal informational value. Throughout this thread, no weightings are used.
    • I'll end this post the way Sturminator ended his - Comments, criticisms, fact-checking and personal attacks are all welcome.
     
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    TABLE 1 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, POINTS (last updated: 2018)

    Wayne Gretzky 155.6
    Phil Esposito 130.4
    Gordie Howe 125.5
    Mario Lemieux 119.8
    Bobby Orr 114.8
    Jaromir Jagr 114.2
    Bobby Hull 108.3
    Stan Mikita 107.8
    Jean Beliveau 105.7
    Guy Lafleur 104.5
    Ted Lindsay 104.4
    Marcel Dionne 103.3
    Sidney Crosby 102.4
    Maurice Richard 102.4
    Howie Morenz 102.2
    Andy Bathgate 101.1
    Alex Ovechkin 98.4
    Joe Sakic 97.7
    Bill Cowley 97.0
    Charlie Conacher 96.2
    Bill Cook 96.0
    Joe Thornton 95.6
    Frank Boucher 95.1
    Mike Bossy 94.8
    Evgeni Malkin 93.7
    Bryan Trottier 93.7
    Steve Yzerman 93.2
    Teemu Selanne 92.7
    Martin St. Louis 92.4
    Syl Apps Sr 92.4
    Sweeney Schriner 91.3
    Bobby Clarke 90.4
    Max Bentley 90.4
    Peter Forsberg 90.3
    Nels Stewart 90.3
    Adam Oates 90.0
    Bernie Geoffrion 89.9
    Mark Messier 89.6
    Jean Ratelle 89.6
    Marty Barry 89.6
    Norm Ullman 89.5
    Busher Jackson 89.5
    Patrick Kane 89.2
    John Bucyk 88.7
    Steven Stamkos 88.4
    Peter Stastny 88.4
    Mark Recchi 88.4
    Jari Kurri 88.1
    Paul Coffey 88.1
    Brett Hull 88.0
    Claude Giroux 88.0
    Frank Mahovlich 87.8
    Nicklas Backstrom 87.7
    Ron Francis 87.4
    Sid Abel 87.3
    Milt Schmidt 86.9
    Jarome Iginla 86.7
    Gordie Drillon 86.7
    Doug Bentley 86.6
    Toe Blake 86.3
    Elmer Lach 86.1
    Dale Hawerchuk 86.0
    Gilbert Perreault 85.7
    Darryl Sittler 85.7
    Denis Savard 85.5
    Dickie Moore 85.4
    Roy Conacher 85.2
    Henri Richard 85.2
    Pavel Bure 85.2
    Eric Lindros 85.0
    Paul Kariya 84.9
    Alex Delvecchio 84.8
    Henrik Sedin 84.5
    Luc Robitaille 84.2
    Ilya Kovalchuk 83.9
    Syd Howe 83.9
    Ryan Getzlaf 83.7
    Ken Hodge 83.2
    Rod Gilbert 83.1
    Markus Naslund 82.9
    Aurel Joliat 82.6
    Paul Thompson 82.6
    Pavel Datsyuk 82.5
    John Tavares 82.4
    Marian Hossa 82.4
    Daniel Alfredsson 82.3
    Pierre Turgeon 82.1
    Mats Sundin 82.1
    Doug Gilmour 82.0
    Theoren Fleury 82.0
    Phil Kessel 82.0
    John LeClair 81.7
    Mike Modano 81.5
    Jamie Benn 81.4
    Jeremy Roenick 81.2
    Dany Heatley 81.0
    Bryan Hextall 80.9
    Sergei Fedorov 80.8
    Bernie Nicholls 80.6
    Eric Staal 80.2
    Ziggy Palffy 80.1
    Daniel Sedin 79.9
    Henrik Zetterberg 79.5
    Lynn Patrick 79.4
    Michel Goulet 79.3
    Anze Kopitar 79.2
    Jason Spezza 79.1
    Keith Tkachuk 79.0
    Brendan Shanahan 79.0
    Cooney Weiland 78.9
    Patrik Elias 78.9
    Ted Kennedy 78.8
    Tyler Seguin 78.7
    Pat LaFontaine 78.5
    Doug Weight 78.3
    Blake Wheeler 78.3
    Cecil Dillon 78.1
    Brad Richards 78.0
    Hooley Smith 78.0
    Jacques Lemaire 77.9
    Alexander Mogilny 77.7
    Bernie Federko 77.6
    Alexei Yashin 77.1
    Yvan Cournoyer 77.1
    Vincent Lecavalier 76.9
    Phil Watson 76.7
    Bun Cook 76.3
    Bert Olmstead 75.9
    Joe Pavelski 75.8
    Bobby Rousseau 75.5
    Raymond Bourque 75.5
    Red Kelly 75.4
    Alex Kovalev 75.3
    Bill Mosienko 75.2
    Phil Goyette 75.2
    Clint Smith 75.1
    Corey Perry 75.0
    Herbie Lewis 75.0
    Denis Potvin 74.9
    Johnny Gottselig 74.8
    Joe Primeau 74.8
    Bobby Bauer 74.6
    Pavol Demitra 74.5
    Lorne Carr 74.4
    Erik Karlsson 74.3
    Dave Keon 74.3
    Lanny McDonald 74.1
    Rick Middleton 74.1
    Mike Ribeiro 74.1
    Vincent Damphousse 74.0
    Pete Mahovlich 73.8
    Dit Clapper 73.7
    Brian Leetch 73.7
    Alex Tanguay 73.4
    Marc Savard 73.3
    Don McKenney 73.3
    Rick MacLeish 73.3
    Patrick Marleau 73.2
    Milan Hejduk 73.1
    Rick Martin 73.1
    Tony Amonte 73.0
    Jakub Voracek 72.9
    Ray Whitney 72.9
    Jonathan Toews 72.7
    Bill Thoms 72.7
    Woody Dumart 72.7
    Rod Brind'Amour 72.6
    Neil Colville 72.1
    Glenn Anderson 72.0
    Peter Bondra 72.0
    Steve Larmer 71.9
    Eddie Wiseman 71.8
    Taylor Hall 71.8
    Joe Mullen 71.6
    Larry Aurie 71.6
    Kent Nilsson 71.3
    Dennis Maruk 71.3
    Rene Robert 71.0
    Zach Parise 70.9
    Tod Sloan 70.9
    Steve Shutt 70.6
    Pit Martin 70.6
    Al MacInnis 70.5
    Johnny Gagnon 70.4
    Joe Nieuwendyk 70.3
    Dave Taylor 70.2
    Garry Unger 70.1
    Bill Barber 70.0
    Marian Gaborik 69.9
    Dino Ciccarelli 69.8
    Kenny Wharram 69.8
    Gaye Stewart 69.8
    Ebbie Goodfellow 69.6
    Dave Andreychuk 69.5
    Nicklas Lidstrom 69.4
    Rick Nash 69.2
    Syl Apps 69.1
    Bobby Smith 68.9
    Mike Gartner 68.8
    Thomas Vanek 68.7
    Baldy Northcott 68.6
    Todd Bertuzzi 68.5
    Jimmy Ward 68.5
    Miroslav Satan 68.4
    Dennis Hull 68.3
    Sid Smith 68.2
    Olli Jokinen 68.2
    Brad Marchand 68.1
    Wayne Cashman 67.8
    Fred Stanfield 67.8
    Robert Lang 67.8
    Butch Goring 67.8
    Paul Ronty 67.8
    Jeff Carter 67.8
    Walt Tkaczuk 67.8
    Scott Gomez 67.6
    Steve Sullivan 67.6
    Red Berenson 67.5
    Ed Litzenberger 67.5
    Martin Straka 67.4
    Craig Janney 67.4
    Brian Propp 67.2
    Herb Cain 67.1
    Patrice Bergeron 67.1
    Camille Henry 67.0
    Dean Prentice 67.0
    Kevin Stevens 67.0
    Pierre Larouche 66.6
    Owen Nolan 66.6
    Ace Bailey 66.6
    Max Pacioretty 66.5
    Claude Provost 66.4
    Patrick Sharp 66.2
    Peter McNab 66.1
    Shane Doan 66.1
    Matt Duchene 66.0
    Jason Pominville 66.0
    David Krejci 65.9
    Jason Allison 65.9
    Buddy O'Connor 65.9
    Petr Nedved 65.9
    Alex Zhamnov 65.7
    Tom Lysiak 65.7
    Jordan Eberle 65.6
    Glen Murray 65.5
    Billy Taylor 65.5
    Wilf Paiement 65.3
    Jean Pronovost 65.3
    Vic Hadfield 65.2
    Charlie Simmer 65.2
     
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    TABLE 2 - BEST TEN YEARS, POINTS (last updated: 2018)

    Wayne Gretzky 144.7
    Gordie Howe 118.1
    Phil Esposito 117.6
    Mario Lemieux 112.0
    Jaromir Jagr 105.9
    Stan Mikita 102.5
    Bobby Hull 101.8
    Jean Beliveau 100.0
    Sidney Crosby 99.3
    Maurice Richard 97.9
    Marcel Dionne 97.5
    Ted Lindsay 95.8
    Andy Bathgate 95.6
    Alex Ovechkin 94.1
    Joe Sakic 94.0
    Bobby Orr 92.1
    Guy Lafleur 91.0
    Joe Thornton 90.8
    Mike Bossy 89.4
    Howie Morenz 88.9
    Frank Boucher 88.8
    Steve Yzerman 88.8
    Teemu Selanne 88.7
    Bryan Trottier 87.2
    Nels Stewart 87.1
    Bill Cowley 86.7
    Evgeni Malkin 86.7
    Martin St. Louis 86.3
    Adam Oates 86.2
    Jean Ratelle 85.3
    Mark Messier 85.0
    Norm Ullman 84.7
    Bill Cook 84.4
    Mark Recchi 84.3
    Ron Francis 84.2
    Frank Mahovlich 84.1
    John Bucyk 83.9
    Syl Apps Sr 83.9
    Brett Hull 83.6
    Bobby Clarke 83.5
    Patrick Kane 83.4
    Bernie Geoffrion 83.4
    Alex Delvecchio 82.9
    Charlie Conacher 82.5
    Peter Forsberg 82.1
    Paul Coffey 82.0
    Marty Barry 81.8
    Dale Hawerchuk 81.7
    Gilbert Perreault 81.6
    Jarome Iginla 81.5
    Toe Blake 81.4
    Nicklas Backstrom 81.4
    Jari Kurri 81.2
    Luc Robitaille 80.9
    Peter Stastny 80.8
    Darryl Sittler 80.4
    Busher Jackson 80.2
    Max Bentley 80.0
    Mats Sundin 79.9
    Rod Gilbert 79.7
    Sweeney Schriner 79.7
    Henrik Sedin 79.5
    Elmer Lach 79.2
    Pierre Turgeon 78.9
    Henri Richard 78.9
    Milt Schmidt 78.8
    Paul Kariya 78.6
    Marian Hossa 78.1
    Denis Savard 78.0
    Ryan Getzlaf 78.0
    Theoren Fleury 77.9
    Mike Modano 77.7
    Syd Howe 77.7
    Daniel Alfredsson 77.4
    Sergei Fedorov 77.1
    Doug Gilmour 77.1
    Pavel Datsyuk 77.1
    Ilya Kovalchuk 76.9
    Doug Bentley 76.7
    Daniel Sedin 76.4
    Eric Staal 76.4
    Anze Kopitar 76.1
    Jeremy Roenick 76.1
    Eric Lindros 76.0
    Sid Abel 75.8
    Aurel Joliat 75.1
    Claude Giroux 74.9
    Henrik Zetterberg 74.7
    Brendan Shanahan 74.4
    Phil Kessel 74.3
    Dickie Moore 74.3
    Roy Conacher 74.1
    Jason Spezza 74.1
    Bernie Federko 74.0
    Ken Hodge 74.0
    Keith Tkachuk 73.9
    Ted Kennedy 73.8
    Bernie Nicholls 73.7
    Patrik Elias 73.6
    Brad Richards 73.2
    Markus Naslund 73.0
    Steven Stamkos 72.9
    Alexander Mogilny 72.9
    Pavel Bure 72.7
    Dany Heatley 72.3
    Doug Weight 72.2
    Michel Goulet 71.8
    Pat LaFontaine 71.8
    Jacques Lemaire 71.7
    Raymond Bourque 71.5
    Yvan Cournoyer 71.5
    Bryan Hextall 71.3
    John LeClair 71.2
    Vincent Damphousse 71.1
    Vincent Lecavalier 71.0
    Alexei Yashin 70.8
    Dave Keon 70.7
    Red Kelly 70.5
    Bill Mosienko 69.8
    Corey Perry 69.8
    Patrick Marleau 69.7
    Hooley Smith 69.5
    Ziggy Palffy 69.4
    John Tavares 69.4
    Cooney Weiland 69.3
    Bert Olmstead 69.2
    Bobby Rousseau 69.1
    Lorne Carr 69.0
    Dit Clapper 69.0
    Paul Thompson 68.9
    Brian Leetch 68.8
    Alex Kovalev 68.7
    Phil Watson 68.7
    Bun Cook 68.7
    Rod Brind'Amour 68.6
    Joe Pavelski 68.5
    Ray Whitney 68.5
    Johnny Gottselig 68.5
    Denis Potvin 68.4
    Steve Larmer 68.2
    Jonathan Toews 68.1
    Mike Ribeiro 68.1
    Lanny McDonald 68.0
    Lynn Patrick 67.9
    Pavol Demitra 67.7
    Phil Goyette 67.6
    Alex Tanguay 67.6
    Woody Dumart 67.5
    Pete Mahovlich 67.5
    Tony Amonte 67.5
    Rick Middleton 67.2
    Cecil Dillon 67.1
    Dino Ciccarelli 66.9
    Blake Wheeler 66.8
    Clint Smith 66.8
    Don McKenney 66.8
    Joe Mullen 66.6
    Peter Bondra 66.6
    Milan Hejduk 66.5
    Jamie Benn 66.4
    Bobby Smith 66.3
    Joe Nieuwendyk 66.3
    Dave Andreychuk 66.2
    Bill Barber 66.2
    Al MacInnis 66.1
    Mike Gartner 66.0
    Herbie Lewis 66.0
    Zach Parise 65.7
    Glenn Anderson 65.7
    Nicklas Lidstrom 65.6
    Thomas Vanek 64.8
    Bill Thoms 64.8
    Brian Propp 64.7
    Rick Nash 64.6
    Pit Martin 64.6
    Patrice Bergeron 64.3
    Garry Unger 64.1
    Dave Taylor 64.0
    Marc Savard 64.0
    Dean Prentice 63.9
    Jakub Voracek 63.7
    Ebbie Goodfellow 63.7
    Dennis Maruk 63.5
    Marian Gaborik 63.5
    Rick MacLeish 63.3
    Rick Martin 63.2
    Scott Gomez 63.2
    Shane Doan 62.5
    Olli Jokinen 62.4
    Phil Housley 62.4
    Jason Pominville 62.4
    Eddie Wiseman 62.3
    Tom Lysiak 62.1
    Owen Nolan 62.1
    Tod Sloan 62.0
    Jeff Carter 62.0
    Miroslav Satan 62.0
    Steve Shutt 61.6
    Larry Aurie 61.5
    Butch Goring 61.4
    Alex Zhamnov 61.4
    Brian Bellows 61.3
    Herb Cain 61.3
    Kenny Wharram 61.1
    Wayne Cashman 60.8
    Gordie Drillon 60.7
    Steve Sullivan 60.7
    Dennis Hull 60.4
    Craig Janney 60.3
    Pat Verbeek 60.3
    Rene Robert 60.0
    Vic Hadfield 59.9
    Todd Bertuzzi 59.9
    Murray Oliver 59.9
    Pierre Larouche 59.8
    Petr Sykora 59.7
    Robert Lang 59.7
    Jimmy Ward 59.7
    Jean Pronovost 59.6
    Paul Stastny 59.5
    Bob Nevin 59.4
    Ryan Smyth 59.3
    Claude Provost 59.3
    Mikko Koivu 59.2
    Buddy O'Connor 59.2
    Martin Straka 59.1
    Camille Henry 58.9
    David Krejci 58.8
    Red Berenson 58.8
    Kirk Muller 58.8
    Ivan Boldirev 58.8
    Johnny Gagnon 58.7
    Brad Park 58.7
    Jason Arnott 58.6
    Petr Nedved 58.6
    Vyacheslav Kozlov 58.6
    Fred Stanfield 58.5
    Cliff Ronning 58.5
    Cory Stillman 58.5
    Andrew Brunette 58.3
    Neal Broten 58.2
    Sergei Gonchar 58.2
    Larry Murphy 58.1
    Peter McNab 58.1
    Wilf Paiement 57.9
    Bill Guerin 57.8
    Gary Roberts 57.7
    George Armstrong 57.6
    Jozef Stumpel 57.6
    Walt Tkaczuk 57.5
     
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    TABLE 3 - CAREER TOTAL, POINTS (last updated 2018)

    Gordie Howe 2,444
    Wayne Gretzky 2,327
    Jaromir Jagr 1,921
    Mark Messier 1,620
    Stan Mikita 1,610
    Phil Esposito 1,609
    Ron Francis 1,588
    Alex Delvecchio 1,575
    Joe Sakic 1,534
    Steve Yzerman 1,529
    Jean Beliveau 1,519
    John Bucyk 1,519
    Marcel Dionne 1,484
    Joe Thornton 1,476
    Mark Recchi 1,438
    Norm Ullman 1,434
    Teemu Selanne 1,415
    Mario Lemieux 1,409
    Maurice Richard 1,403
    Bobby Hull 1,376
    Jarome Iginla 1,343
    Raymond Bourque 1,338
    Mike Modano 1,286
    Mats Sundin 1,284
    Adam Oates 1,282
    Brett Hull 1,271
    Frank Mahovlich 1,260
    Paul Coffey 1,258
    Brendan Shanahan 1,257
    Ted Lindsay 1,255
    Henri Richard 1,254
    Jean Ratelle 1,251
    Luc Robitaille 1,250
    Doug Gilmour 1,227
    Andy Bathgate 1,226
    Pierre Turgeon 1,200
    Marian Hossa 1,178
    Patrick Marleau 1,171
    Sidney Crosby 1,166
    Alex Ovechkin 1,165
    Dave Andreychuk 1,165
    Daniel Alfredsson 1,162
    Bryan Trottier 1,159
    Guy Lafleur 1,158
    Gilbert Perreault 1,145
    Jeremy Roenick 1,128
    Red Kelly 1,127
    Dale Hawerchuk 1,119
    Henrik Sedin 1,115
    Al MacInnis 1,114
    Jari Kurri 1,113
    Sergei Fedorov 1,113
    Nels Stewart 1,106
    Nicklas Lidstrom 1,102
    Rod Brind'Amour 1,100
    Vincent Damphousse 1,096
    Bernie Geoffrion 1,093
    Bobby Clarke 1,087
    Daniel Sedin 1,084
    Martin St. Louis 1,083
    Mike Gartner 1,077
    Ray Whitney 1,077
    Rod Gilbert 1,072
    Patrik Elias 1,070
    Phil Housley 1,066
    Dave Keon 1,064
    Denis Savard 1,060
    Dean Prentice 1,045
    Keith Tkachuk 1,038
    Joe Nieuwendyk 1,031
    Milt Schmidt 1,030
    Larry Murphy 1,025
    Theoren Fleury 1,011
    Alex Kovalev 1,009
    Syd Howe 1,006
    Shane Doan 1,006
    Henrik Zetterberg 1,005
    Doug Weight 1,003
    Bernie Nicholls 994
    Dino Ciccarelli 983
    Bill Cowley 982
    Busher Jackson 980
    Darryl Sittler 973
    Paul Kariya 970
    Eric Staal 967
    Vincent Lecavalier 967
    Brad Richards 967
    Evgeni Malkin 962
    Alexander Mogilny 958
    Peter Stastny 957
    Dit Clapper 956
    Pavel Datsyuk 956
    Brian Leetch 956
    Frank Boucher 949
    Bobby Orr 940
    Howie Morenz 934
    Elmer Lach 930
    Ryan Getzlaf 927
    Jason Arnott 923
    Pat Verbeek 923
    Billy Harris 917
    George Armstrong 914
    Toe Blake 911
    Bryan Hextall 904
    Jason Spezza 903
    Michel Goulet 903
    Ken Hodge 898
    Patrick Kane 898
    Alex Tanguay 897
    Mike Bossy 894
    Bernie Federko 892
    Yvan Cournoyer 883
    Peter Forsberg 882
    Denis Potvin 880
    Hooley Smith 879
    Charlie Conacher 879
    Max Bentley 876
    Tony Amonte 875
    Anze Kopitar 873
    Glenn Anderson 869
    Doug Mohns 864
    Peter Bondra 864
    Markus Naslund 862
    Nicklas Backstrom 859
    Owen Nolan 859
    Joe Mullen 858
    Bill Cook 855
    Marty Barry 853
    Ryan Smyth 846
    Rick Nash 845
    Mike Ribeiro 844
    Dave Taylor 844
    Marian Gaborik 843
    Eric Lindros 840
    Syl Apps Sr 839
    Doug Bentley 838
    Bill Guerin 838
    Chris Chelios 835
    Saku Koivu 833
    Bert Olmstead 833
    Pit Martin 833
    Murray Oliver 832
    Pat LaFontaine 832
    Lanny McDonald 831
    Brian Bellows 831
    Aurel Joliat 830
    Sergei Gonchar 830
    Sweeney Schriner 829
    Ted Kennedy 828
    Steve Thomas 825
    Ilya Kovalchuk 824
    Dale Hunter 823
    Steve Larmer 821
    Gary Roberts 821
    Rick Tocchet 816
    Greg Adams 815
    Phil Goyette 814
    Bobby Rousseau 813
    Bobby Smith 812
    John LeClair 810
    Kirk Muller 809
    Milan Hejduk 808
    Corey Perry 808
    Jacques Lemaire 808
    Cliff Ronning 805
    Bill Mosienko 805
    Brad Park 804
    Phil Kessel 804
    Rick Middleton 801
    Johnny Gottselig 800
    Ray Ferraro 799
    Bob Nevin 798
    Trevor Linden 794
    Larry Robinson 791
    Woody Dumart 789
    Thomas Vanek 788
    Butch Goring 786
    Brian Propp 785
    Dany Heatley 784
    Dickie Moore 781
    Bill Gadsby 780
    Alexei Yashin 780
    Sid Abel 779
    Justin Williams 778
    Patrice Bergeron 777
    Scott Stevens 777
    Paul Thompson 777
    Bob Pulford 775
    Todd Bertuzzi 775
    Scott Mellanby 774
    Scott Gomez 771
    Mush March 767
    Pavol Demitra 767
    Steve Sullivan 761
    Garry Unger 760
    Lorne Carr 757
    Brian Rolston 756
    Vyacheslav Kozlov 756
    Bill Barber 755
    Pavel Bure 753
    Olli Jokinen 752
    Sergei Zubov 750
    Claude Giroux 749
    Joe Pavelski 748
    Roy Conacher 746
    Phil Watson 745
    Rob Blake 744
    Matt Cullen 744
    Neal Broten 743
    Vic Hadfield 742
    Doug Harvey 739
    Ivan Boldirev 738
    Ralph Backstrom 738
    Wayne Cashman 737
    Scott Hartnell 735
    Don McKenney 734
    Gary Suter 733
    Claude Provost 733
    Jonathan Toews 732
    Steven Stamkos 729
    Miroslav Satan 729
    John MacLean 728
    Bobby Holik 728
    Cooney Weiland 726
    Jason Pominville 726
    Andrew Brunette 725
    Tomas Sandstrom 723
    Pete Mahovlich 721
    Eric Nesterenko 720
    Cory Stillman 720
    Petr Sykora 719
    Ziggy Palffy 719
    Zach Parise 717
    Don Marshall 716
    Stephane Richer 715
    Jean Pronovost 714
    Alex Zhamnov 713
    Scott Niedermayer 713
    Tom Lysiak 709
    Jeff Carter 709
    Dennis Maruk 708
    Herb Cain 708
    Mathieu Schneider 708
    Bun Cook 707
    Dick Duff 705
    Scott Young 704
    Ebbie Goodfellow 704
    Claude Lemieux 702
    Robert Lang 702
    Bill Thoms 701
     
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    TABLE 4 - YEARLY BENCHMARK FOR POINTS (last updated: 2018)

    YearFactor
    192732
    192835
    192929
    193062
    193143
    193250
    193344
    193443
    193547
    193640
    193745
    193844
    193944
    194043
    194144
    194254
    194372
    194495
    194578
    194660
    194763
    194860
    194954
    195069
    195166
    195269
    195361
    195461
    195574
    195671
    195777
    195871
    195983
    196080
    196190
    196284
    196381
    196478
    196583
    196678
    196770
    196884
    1969107
    197086
    197190
    1972109
    1973104
    197491
    1975121
    1976119
    1977105
    1978109
    1979116
    1980119
    1981135
    1982147
    1983124
    1984121
    1985135
    1986141
    1987108
    1988131
    1989139
    1990129
    1991115
    1992116
    1993148
    1994120
    199570
    1996120
    1997109
    199891
    1999107
    200094
    200196
    200290
    2003104
    200487
    2006106
    2007114
    2008106
    2009110
    2010109
    201199
    201297
    201357
    201487
    201586
    201689
    2017 89
    2018102

    Sturminator documented his calculation of the yearly benchmarks for points - http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=60570205&postcount=1
     
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    TABLE 5 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, GOALS (last updated: 2018)

    Bobby Hull 70.2
    Maurice Richard 67.2
    Gordie Howe 65.5
    Phil Esposito 62.1
    Alex Ovechkin 59.5
    Wayne Gretzky 59.0
    Brett Hull 56.3
    Mario Lemieux 54.5
    Jean Beliveau 54.4
    Charlie Conacher 54.3
    Mike Bossy 52.9
    Bill Cook 52.7
    Bernie Geoffrion 51.2
    Frank Mahovlich 50.8
    Nels Stewart 50.7
    Steven Stamkos 50.6
    Jaromir Jagr 50.4
    Pavel Bure 50.3
    Stan Mikita 50.0
    Roy Conacher 49.6
    Ted Lindsay 48.4
    Howie Morenz 48.3
    Teemu Selanne 48.3
    Guy Lafleur 47.2
    Peter Bondra 47.2
    Marcel Dionne 47.2
    Steve Yzerman 47.0
    Gordie Drillon 46.9
    Norm Ullman 46.7
    Ilya Kovalchuk 46.6
    Jarome Iginla 46.5
    Bryan Hextall 46.3
    Marty Barry 45.6
    Busher Jackson 45.6
    Jari Kurri 45.4
    John LeClair 45.2
    Luc Robitaille 44.7
    Sweeney Schriner 44.3
    Andy Bathgate 44.2
    Joe Sakic 43.8
    Cecil Dillon 43.6
    Keith Tkachuk 43.4
    Camille Henry 43.2
    Michel Goulet 43.1
    John Bucyk 42.8
    Sidney Crosby 42.7
    Evgeni Malkin 42.7
    Rick Martin 42.6
    Brendan Shanahan 42.5
    Dickie Moore 42.5
    Max Bentley 42.3
    Toe Blake 42.3
    Dany Heatley 42.1
    Rick Nash 41.7
    Mike Gartner 41.6
    Syl Apps Sr 41.6
    Yvan Cournoyer 41.5
    Corey Perry 41.4
    Aurel Joliat 41.2
    Pat LaFontaine 41.0
    Marian Hossa 40.9
    Syd Howe 40.9
    Lorne Carr 40.7
    Cam Neely 40.6
    Markus Naslund 40.6
    Kenny Wharram 40.4
    Doug Bentley 40.3
    Ziggy Palffy 40.3
    Gaye Stewart 40.3
    Herb Cain 40.3
    Paul Kariya 40.2
    John Tavares 40.2
    Eric Lindros 40.2
    Alexander Mogilny 40.2
    Theoren Fleury 40.0
    Jeff Carter 40.0
    Joe Nieuwendyk 39.8
    Lanny McDonald 39.5
    Bill Mosienko 39.5
    Eric Staal 39.4
    Steve Shutt 39.4
    Tony Amonte 39.3
    Mats Sundin 39.3
    Sid Smith 39.2
    Ken Hodge 39.1
    Rod Gilbert 39.1
    Alex Delvecchio 39.0
    Patrick Marleau 38.9
    Phil Kessel 38.9
    Tim Kerr 38.8
    Sid Abel 38.8
    Dave Keon 38.7
    Dino Ciccarelli 38.6
    Marian Gaborik 38.6
    Milan Hejduk 38.5
    Jean Ratelle 38.4
    Mike Modano 38.2
    Jeremy Roenick 38.1
    Tyler Seguin 38.0
    Ted Kennedy 38.0
    Woody Dumart 38.0
    Dave Andreychuk 38.0
    Zach Parise 37.9
    Dit Clapper 37.9
    Patrick Kane 37.9
    Joe Mullen 37.9
    Joe Pavelski 37.8
    Dale Hawerchuk 37.7
    Paul Thompson 37.7
    Mark Messier 37.4
    Garry Unger 37.4
    Sergei Fedorov 37.3
    Bill Cowley 37.2
    Henri Richard 37.2
    Glenn Anderson 37.2
    Bernie Nicholls 37.1
    Bryan Trottier 37.1
    Alexei Yashin 37.1
    Martin St. Louis 37.0
    Thomas Vanek 36.9
    Pierre Turgeon 36.9
    Milt Schmidt 36.9
    Gilbert Perreault 36.8
    Bill Guerin 36.8
    Tod Sloan 36.8
    Pat Verbeek 36.7
    Darryl Sittler 36.7
    Bill Barber 36.7
    Owen Nolan 36.7
    Patrik Elias 36.6
    Reggie Leach 36.6
    Vincent Lecavalier 36.6
    Rick Middleton 36.5
    Lynn Patrick 36.5
    Mark Recchi 36.4
    Cooney Weiland 36.4
    Jamie Benn 36.3
    Brad Marchand 36.2
    Max Pacioretty 36.2
    Rick MacLeish 36.1
    Daniel Alfredsson 36.1
    Miroslav Satan 36.0
    Ray Sheppard 36.0
    Don McKenney 36.0
    Rick Vaive 36.0
    Glen Murray 35.7
    Jean Pronovost 35.7
    Danny Gare 35.7
    Peter Stastny 35.5
    Jonathan Toews 35.4
    Harry Watson 35.4
    Dean Prentice 35.3
    John Ogrodnick 35.3
    Jacques Lemaire 35.2
    Steve Larmer 35.1
    Stephane Richer 35.1
    Bun Cook 35.0
    Bobby Bauer 35.0
    Bobby Orr 34.9
    Brian Bellows 34.8
    Kevin Stevens 34.8
    Bill Goldsworthy 34.8
    Charlie Simmer 34.8
    Logan Couture 34.6
    Daniel Sedin 34.5
    Simon Gagne 34.4
    James Neal 34.4
    Ron Ellis 34.4
    Pierre Larouche 34.4
    Gary Roberts 34.3
    Clint Smith 34.3
    Alex Kovalev 34.2
    Dennis Hull 34.2
    Baldy Northcott 34.2
    Johnny Gottselig 34.2
    Larry Aurie 34.2
    Dick Duff 34.1
    Elmer Lach 34.0
    Ed Litzenberger 33.9
    Grant Warwick 33.9
    Andy Hebenton 33.8
    Olli Jokinen 33.7
    Herbie Lewis 33.6
    Danny Grant 33.5
    John MacLean 33.5
    Denis Savard 33.3
    Bob Nevin 33.3
    Jim Pappin 33.2
    Jason Spezza 33.2
    Claude Provost 33.0
    Pavol Demitra 33.0
    Dave Taylor 33.0
    Bobby Rousseau 33.0
    Hooley Smith 32.9
    Wayne Simmonds 32.9
    Rick Tocchet 32.8
    Geoff Sanderson 32.8
    Patrick Sharp 32.7
    Dennis Maruk 32.7
    Anze Kopitar 32.6
    Alex Shibicky 32.6
    Mike Bullard 32.6
    Ralph Backstrom 32.5
    Butch Keeling 32.5
    Ryan Smyth 32.4
    Brian Propp 32.3
    Jeff Skinner 32.3
    Johnny Peirson 32.2
    Alexander Semin 32.2
    Adam Graves 32.2
    Mickey Redmond 32.1
    John Sorrell 32.1
    Jimmy Ward 32.0
    Bob Pulford 32.0
    Gilles Tremblay 31.9
    Peter McNab 31.9
    Don Marshall 31.9
    Tomas Sandstrom 31.8
    Henrik Zetterberg 31.8
    Paul MacLean 31.7
    Greg Adams 31.7
    Tony Tanti 31.6
    Pete Mahovlich 31.6
    Steve Thomas 31.6
    Buzz Boll 31.5
    Frank Boucher 31.5
    Red Hamill 31.5
    Mud Bruneteau 31.5
    Jimmy Carson 31.4
    Vic Stasiuk 31.4
    Vic Hadfield 31.3
    Rick Kehoe 31.3
    Bobby Ryan 31.3
    James van Riemsdyk 31.1
    Taylor Hall 31.1
    Carl Liscombe 31.0
    Vincent Damphousse 31.0
    Pavel Datsyuk 30.9
    Brian Sutter 30.8
    Ace Bailey 30.8
    Paul Henderson 30.8
    John McKenzie 30.8
    Claude Lemieux 30.7
    Eric Daze 30.7
    Bobby Clarke 30.7
    Bill Thoms 30.6
    Petr Sykora 30.6
    Petr Nedved 30.6
    Blaine Stoughton 30.5
    Wendel Clark 30.5
     
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    TABLE 6 - BEST TEN YEARS, GOALS (last updated: 2018)

    Bobby Hull 64.9
    Maurice Richard 61.2
    Gordie Howe 61.1
    Alex Ovechkin 56.5
    Phil Esposito 56.3
    Wayne Gretzky 53.9
    Brett Hull 51.1
    Jean Beliveau 50.4
    Mario Lemieux 49.9
    Mike Bossy 49.4
    Frank Mahovlich 47.3
    Nels Stewart 47.3
    Jaromir Jagr 46.7
    Bernie Geoffrion 45.9
    Ted Lindsay 45.5
    Stan Mikita 45.2
    Bill Cook 45.0
    Marcel Dionne 44.5
    Teemu Selanne 44.4
    Charlie Conacher 43.7
    Ilya Kovalchuk 43.5
    Norm Ullman 43.3
    Jarome Iginla 43.1
    Steve Yzerman 42.9
    Luc Robitaille 42.7
    Roy Conacher 42.7
    Pavel Bure 42.6
    Peter Bondra 42.1
    Steven Stamkos 41.9
    Guy Lafleur 41.0
    Keith Tkachuk 40.6
    Joe Sakic 40.5
    Busher Jackson 40.4
    Jari Kurri 40.2
    Sidney Crosby 40.0
    Andy Bathgate 39.8
    John Bucyk 39.6
    Brendan Shanahan 39.6
    Sweeney Schriner 39.6
    Bryan Hextall 39.5
    Toe Blake 39.4
    Mike Gartner 39.1
    Syl Apps Sr 39.0
    Marty Barry 39.0
    Howie Morenz 38.9
    Marian Hossa 38.7
    Rick Nash 38.6
    Evgeni Malkin 38.5
    John LeClair 38.4
    Max Bentley 38.2
    Syd Howe 38.1
    Yvan Cournoyer 37.9
    Michel Goulet 37.8
    Mats Sundin 37.6
    Dany Heatley 37.4
    Camille Henry 37.2
    Corey Perry 37.1
    Joe Nieuwendyk 37.0
    Aurel Joliat 37.0
    Pat LaFontaine 36.9
    Patrick Marleau 36.9
    Rod Gilbert 36.8
    Dino Ciccarelli 36.8
    Dickie Moore 36.8
    Alexander Mogilny 36.8
    Theoren Fleury 36.7
    Lorne Carr 36.7
    Eric Staal 36.6
    Dave Keon 36.4
    Rick Martin 36.2
    Eric Lindros 36.2
    Cecil Dillon 36.1
    Jean Ratelle 36.0
    Paul Kariya 36.0
    Jeff Carter 36.0
    Lanny McDonald 35.9
    Phil Kessel 35.9
    Markus Naslund 35.8
    Bill Mosienko 35.8
    Alex Delvecchio 35.7
    Mike Modano 35.6
    Joe Mullen 35.6
    Dale Hawerchuk 35.5
    Mark Messier 35.5
    Darryl Sittler 35.4
    Sergei Fedorov 35.4
    Doug Bentley 35.3
    Tony Amonte 35.2
    Herb Cain 35.1
    Jeremy Roenick 35.0
    Patrick Kane 35.0
    Pierre Turgeon 34.9
    Martin St. Louis 34.9
    Dave Andreychuk 34.9
    Henri Richard 34.8
    Marian Gaborik 34.8
    Zach Parise 34.7
    Garry Unger 34.7
    Kenny Wharram 34.7
    Woody Dumart 34.5
    Milan Hejduk 34.4
    Ted Kennedy 34.4
    Steve Shutt 34.2
    Ziggy Palffy 34.2
    Dit Clapper 34.2
    Mark Recchi 34.1
    Bill Barber 34.1
    Thomas Vanek 34.0
    Cam Neely 34.0
    Bryan Trottier 34.0
    Milt Schmidt 34.0
    Glenn Anderson 33.9
    Joe Pavelski 33.8
    Gilbert Perreault 33.8
    Pat Verbeek 33.7
    Ken Hodge 33.7
    Vincent Lecavalier 33.7
    John Tavares 33.5
    Bernie Nicholls 33.4
    Owen Nolan 33.4
    Jacques Lemaire 33.3
    Alexei Yashin 33.0
    Rick Vaive 33.0
    Bill Guerin 32.9
    Dean Prentice 32.9
    Gordie Drillon 32.8
    Patrik Elias 32.8
    Bill Cowley 32.8
    Miroslav Satan 32.8
    Sid Abel 32.8
    Rick Middleton 32.7
    Daniel Alfredsson 32.7
    Peter Stastny 32.6
    Steve Larmer 32.5
    Jonathan Toews 32.4
    Don McKenney 32.3
    Reggie Leach 32.0
    Jean Pronovost 31.9
    Cooney Weiland 31.9
    Harry Watson 31.9
    Ray Sheppard 31.8
    Brian Bellows 31.8
    James Neal 31.8
    Tod Sloan 31.7
    Daniel Sedin 31.4
    Ron Ellis 31.4
    Rick MacLeish 31.2
    Rick Tocchet 31.0
    Gary Roberts 30.9
    Denis Savard 30.9
    Dick Duff 30.9
    John Ogrodnick 30.8
    Alex Kovalev 30.8
    Gaye Stewart 30.8
    Johnny Gottselig 30.8
    Bun Cook 30.7
    Tim Kerr 30.6
    Paul Thompson 30.6
    Elmer Lach 30.6
    Stephane Richer 30.5
    Pierre Larouche 30.5
    Lynn Patrick 30.5
    Ryan Smyth 30.4
    Glen Murray 30.2
    John MacLean 30.2
    Brian Propp 30.2
    Jamie Benn 30.1
    Bob Nevin 30.1
    Dennis Hull 30.1
    Jason Spezza 30.0
    Larry Aurie 30.0
    Herbie Lewis 29.8
    Bobby Rousseau 29.8
    Bob Pulford 29.7
    Danny Gare 29.7
    Pavol Demitra 29.6
    Sid Smith 29.5
    Ralph Backstrom 29.5
    Vic Hadfield 29.5
    Anze Kopitar 29.5
    Dave Taylor 29.5
    Claude Provost 29.4
    Clint Smith 29.3
    Rick Kehoe 29.3
    Olli Jokinen 29.2
    Hooley Smith 29.2
    Adam Graves 29.1
    Pavel Datsyuk 29.1
    Jim Pappin 29.1
    Rod Brind'Amour 28.9
    Vincent Damphousse 28.9
    Petr Sykora 28.9
    Tomas Sandstrom 28.9
    Shane Doan 28.8
    Jimmy Ward 28.8
    Henrik Zetterberg 28.8
    Simon Gagne 28.8
    Butch Keeling 28.7
    Bill Goldsworthy 28.7
    Geoff Sanderson 28.7
    Don Marshall 28.6
    Jason Arnott 28.6
    Charlie Simmer 28.5
    Kevin Stevens 28.5
    Greg Adams 28.4
    Bobby Orr 28.4
    Ray Whitney 28.3
    Joe Thornton 28.3
    Claude Lemieux 28.3
    George Armstrong 28.1
    Peter McNab 28.1
    Patrick Sharp 28.1
    Steve Thomas 28.0
    Mike Bullard 28.0
    Frank Boucher 28.0
    Patrice Bergeron 27.9
    Red Kelly 27.9
    Ray Ferraro 27.9
    Tyler Seguin 27.9
    Geoff Courtnall 27.8
    Dennis Maruk 27.8
    Petr Nedved 27.7
    Brad Marchand 27.7
    Pit Martin 27.6
    Baldy Northcott 27.6
    Max Pacioretty 27.5
    Scott Hartnell 27.5
    Dave Gagner 27.5
    Paul MacLean 27.4
    Andy Hebenton 27.4
    John Sorrell 27.3
    Murray Oliver 27.3
    Wayne Simmonds 27.3
    Butch Goring 27.2
    Paul Henderson 27.1
    Bobby Clarke 27.0
    Jason Pominville 27.0
    Alexander Semin 27.0
    Blake Wheeler 26.9
    Bill Thoms 26.9
    Buzz Boll 26.9
    Bobby Ryan 26.9
    Wilf Paiement 26.9
    Hec Kilrea 26.8
    Ivan Boldirev 26.8
    Brian Rolston 26.8
    Brian Gionta 26.7
    Chris Kunitz 26.7
    Doug Mohns 26.6
    Wendel Clark 26.6
     
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    TABLE 7 - CAREER TOTAL, GOALS (last updated: 2018)

    Gordie Howe 1,181
    Maurice Richard 863
    Bobby Hull 829
    Jaromir Jagr 821
    Wayne Gretzky 784
    Phil Esposito 775
    Brett Hull 733
    Jean Beliveau 726
    Teemu Selanne 718
    Jarome Iginla 697
    Frank Mahovlich 689
    Alex Ovechkin 688
    John Bucyk 685
    Stan Mikita 670
    Norm Ullman 661
    Brendan Shanahan 657
    Steve Yzerman 652
    Marcel Dionne 651
    Luc Robitaille 651
    Alex Delvecchio 643
    Mark Messier 638
    Joe Sakic 628
    Mike Gartner 627
    Mario Lemieux 612
    Ted Lindsay 609
    Dave Andreychuk 608
    Patrick Marleau 605
    Bernie Geoffrion 595
    Nels Stewart 592
    Marian Hossa 590
    Mats Sundin 582
    Mark Recchi 582
    Mike Modano 568
    Keith Tkachuk 562
    Joe Nieuwendyk 556
    Dean Prentice 540
    Dino Ciccarelli 539
    Peter Bondra 529
    Jean Ratelle 528
    Ron Francis 521
    Jari Kurri 520
    Guy Lafleur 510
    Jeremy Roenick 509
    Andy Bathgate 508
    Pierre Turgeon 506
    Rick Nash 500
    Henri Richard 498
    Sergei Fedorov 495
    Mike Bossy 494
    Pat Verbeek 492
    Dave Keon 490
    Busher Jackson 485
    Daniel Alfredsson 482
    Syd Howe 474
    Yvan Cournoyer 472
    Rod Gilbert 470
    Gilbert Perreault 470
    Bryan Hextall 469
    Michel Goulet 467
    Alexander Mogilny 465
    Vincent Lecavalier 462
    Sidney Crosby 462
    Patrik Elias 462
    Theoren Fleury 461
    Charlie Conacher 459
    Bryan Trottier 458
    Ilya Kovalchuk 457
    Bill Guerin 455
    Rod Brind'Amour 453
    Marian Gaborik 453
    Bill Cook 452
    Alex Kovalev 452
    Dale Hawerchuk 448
    Shane Doan 448
    Owen Nolan 447
    Pavel Bure 446
    Eric Staal 445
    Jason Arnott 444
    Joe Mullen 443
    Dit Clapper 442
    Martin St. Louis 440
    Daniel Sedin 439
    Darryl Sittler 439
    Joe Thornton 437
    Red Kelly 436
    Lanny McDonald 435
    Tony Amonte 434
    Brian Bellows 434
    Glenn Anderson 434
    Toe Blake 434
    George Armstrong 434
    John LeClair 433
    Roy Conacher 431
    Paul Kariya 429
    Ray Whitney 428
    Gary Roberts 427
    Bernie Nicholls 426
    Milt Schmidt 423
    Pat LaFontaine 422
    Doug Gilmour 422
    Markus Naslund 421
    Steven Stamkos 419
    Vincent Damphousse 419
    Evgeni Malkin 419
    Corey Perry 419
    Bill Mosienko 418
    Sweeney Schriner 417
    Max Bentley 417
    Rick Tocchet 416
    Denis Savard 415
    Ryan Smyth 413
    Garry Unger 410
    Jeff Carter 410
    Camille Henry 409
    Milan Hejduk 407
    Aurel Joliat 406
    Thomas Vanek 404
    Steve Thomas 404
    Dany Heatley 404
    Greg Adams 403
    Stephane Richer 403
    Dick Duff 403
    Marty Barry 401
    Ron Stewart 399
    Woody Dumart 398
    Howie Morenz 398
    Harry Watson 395
    Ray Ferraro 394
    Bob Pulford 394
    Lorne Carr 393
    John MacLean 392
    Billy Harris 391
    Syl Apps Sr 390
    Steve Larmer 389
    Herb Cain 389
    Eric Lindros 389
    Rick Middleton 388
    Ken Hodge 388
    Phil Kessel 388
    Miroslav Satan 388
    Ron Ellis 387
    Bob Nevin 386
    Peter Stastny 383
    Dickie Moore 383
    Zach Parise 381
    Bill Barber 378
    Don Marshall 378
    Steve Shutt 378
    Jean Pronovost 377
    Raymond Bourque 377
    Dave Taylor 376
    Rick Vaive 375
    Doug Bentley 374
    Jacques Lemaire 374
    Ralph Backstrom 374
    Ted Kennedy 373
    Vic Hadfield 372
    Trevor Linden 372
    Claude Provost 371
    Henrik Zetterberg 371
    Joe Pavelski 371
    Patrick Kane 371
    Scott Hartnell 369
    Cam Neely 368
    Tomas Sandstrom 368
    Brian Rolston 366
    Claude Lemieux 365
    Bill Cowley 365
    Scott Mellanby 363
    Brian Propp 363
    Rick Martin 363
    Pit Martin 363
    Kenny Wharram 362
    Alexei Yashin 362
    Eric Nesterenko 361
    Cecil Dillon 361
    Glen Murray 360
    Hooley Smith 359
    Jason Spezza 357
    Murray Oliver 357
    Johnny Gottselig 356
    Doug Mohns 355
    Pavel Datsyuk 354
    Geoff Sanderson 353
    Paul Coffey 353
    Ziggy Palffy 352
    Elmer Lach 351
    Ray Sheppard 351
    Olli Jokinen 350
    Butch Goring 348
    Petr Sykora 348
    Reggie Leach 347
    Jonathan Toews 347
    Don McKenney 347
    John Ogrodnick 347
    Pierre Larouche 346
    Scott Young 346
    Vyacheslav Kozlov 343
    Bobby Holik 342
    Geoff Courtnall 342
    Bobby Clarke 341
    Todd Bertuzzi 340
    Tod Sloan 338
    Dennis Hull 336
    John Tavares 335
    Brad Richards 335
    Rick Kehoe 334
    Paul Thompson 334
    Cooney Weiland 333
    Sid Abel 332
    Adam Graves 331
    Pavol Demitra 330
    Patrice Bergeron 330
    Anze Kopitar 329
    Kirk Muller 329
    Gordie Drillon 328
    Al MacInnis 328
    Justin Williams 328
    Radim Vrbata 327
    Adam Oates 327
    Ivan Boldirev 325
    Brian Gionta 325
    Rick MacLeish 324
    Bobby Rousseau 324
    Butch Keeling 321
    Kevin Dineen 320
    Patrick Sharp 320
    Peter McNab 319
    Bernie Federko 319
    Brent Sutter 319
    Steve Sullivan 319
    James Neal 318
    Martin Gelinas 317
    Bun Cook 316
    Simon Gagne 316
    Tim Kerr 315
    Petr Nedved 315
    Phil Housley 315
    Alex Tanguay 315
    Jason Pominville 315
    Jim Pappin 314
    Kevin Stevens 313
    Mike Fisher 313
    Wilf Paiement 313
    Danny Gare 313
    Wendel Clark 313
    Ed Olczyk 311
    Mush March 311
    Hec Kilrea 310
    Jimmy Ward 309
     
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    TABLE 8 - YEARLY BENCHMARK FOR GOALS (last updated: 2018)

    YearFactor
    192723
    192825.5
    192918
    193041
    193127.33
    193228
    193324
    193422
    193522
    193621
    193722
    193823
    193922.33
    194022
    194121.88
    194224
    194330
    194436
    194532
    194631
    194730
    194830
    194926
    195032.17
    195130.25
    195231
    195332
    195429
    195531.63
    195633.13
    195733
    195833
    195937.33
    196034
    196135
    196233
    196337
    196434
    196529
    196632
    196731
    196838
    196949
    197042
    197144
    197250
    197347.5
    197452
    197553
    197656
    197756
    197853
    197952
    198056
    198158
    198264
    198366
    198456
    198558
    198661
    198758
    198856
    198962.67
    199055
    199151
    199251.13
    199369
    199457
    199532
    199655
    199751
    199845.75
    199944
    200044
    200149.5
    200241
    200348
    200441
    200654
    200750
    200852
    200946
    201046.5
    201145
    201241
    201325.75
    201443
    201543
    201646
    201740
    2018 44
    Crease documented his calculation of the yearly benchmarks for goals- http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=78353155&postcount=122
     
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    TABLE 9 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, ASSISTS (last updated: 2018)

    Wayne Gretzky 123.5
    Bobby Orr 96.1
    Frank Boucher 89.5
    Phil Esposito 85.7
    Stan Mikita 82.7
    Mario Lemieux 82.3
    Joe Thornton 81.5
    Gordie Howe 80.0
    Bill Cowley 79.6
    Elmer Lach 78.9
    Ted Lindsay 78.4
    Andy Bathgate 78.2
    Adam Oates 78.1
    Jaromir Jagr 75.8
    Paul Coffey 75.7
    Henrik Sedin 75.1
    Marcel Dionne 75.0
    Jean Beliveau 74.9
    Bobby Clarke 74.4
    Sidney Crosby 73.9
    Doug Bentley 73.2
    Joe Primeau 73.0
    Peter Forsberg 72.7
    Ron Francis 72.5
    Alex Delvecchio 71.8
    Nicklas Backstrom 71.7
    Guy Lafleur 71.5
    Bryan Trottier 71.1
    Joe Sakic 69.3
    Peter Stastny 68.8
    Martin St. Louis 68.8
    Howie Morenz 67.9
    Doug Gilmour 67.5
    Max Bentley 67.0
    Sid Abel 66.9
    Jean Ratelle 66.8
    Doug Weight 66.4
    Bert Olmstead 66.4
    Denis Savard 66.4
    Henri Richard 66.2
    Mark Messier 65.8
    Milt Schmidt 65.7
    Raymond Bourque 65.4
    Phil Watson 65.2
    Ryan Getzlaf 65.0
    Steve Yzerman 64.6
    Dale Hawerchuk 64.5
    Claude Giroux 64.5
    Mark Recchi 64.3
    Brian Leetch 64.3
    Bernie Federko 64.0
    Rod Gilbert 63.8
    Syl Apps Sr 63.5
    Evgeni Malkin 63.4
    Gilbert Perreault 63.1
    Brad Richards 62.9
    Norm Ullman 62.7
    Nicklas Lidstrom 62.5
    Pavel Datsyuk 62.3
    Denis Potvin 62.2
    Phil Goyette 62.1
    Pierre Pilote 62.1
    John Bucyk 62.0
    Red Kelly 61.5
    Bobby Hull 61.0
    Ted Kennedy 61.0
    Toe Blake 60.7
    Bernie Geoffrion 60.6
    Erik Karlsson 60.6
    Paul Kariya 60.5
    Doug Harvey 60.5
    Hooley Smith 60.4
    Dickie Moore 60.3
    Syd Howe 60.2
    Patrick Kane 60.2
    Bobby Rousseau 59.9
    Mike Ribeiro 59.8
    Teemu Selanne 59.8
    Marc Savard 59.8
    Art Chapman 59.6
    Scott Gomez 59.2
    Henrik Zetterberg 59.1
    Daniel Alfredsson 58.9
    Darryl Sittler 58.9
    Daniel Sedin 58.6
    Clint Smith 58.5
    Paul Ronty 58.4
    Buddy O'Connor 58.3
    Gus Bodnar 57.9
    Mike Bossy 57.9
    Al MacInnis 57.7
    Anze Kopitar 57.7
    Bill Mosienko 57.6
    Jason Spezza 57.6
    Frank Mahovlich 57.5
    Maurice Richard 57.4
    Bill Gadsby 57.3
    Bill Hay 57.2
    Mike Modano 57.1
    Pierre Turgeon 57.1
    Sweeney Schriner 57.1
    Craig Janney 56.9
    Billy Taylor 56.8
    Phil Housley 56.7
    Roy Conacher 56.7
    Syl Apps 56.6
    Jari Kurri 56.5
    Bernie Nicholls 56.3
    Brad Park 56.3
    Mats Sundin 56.2
    Bun Cook 56.1
    Pete Mahovlich 55.9
    Marty Barry 55.9
    Theoren Fleury 55.7
    Fred Stanfield 55.3
    Eric Lindros 55.3
    Ken Hodge 55.0
    Alex Tanguay 55.0
    Ray Whitney 54.9
    Vincent Damphousse 54.7
    Borje Salming 54.7
    Kent Nilsson 54.7
    Larry Robinson 54.6
    Alex Ovechkin 54.5
    Jeremy Roenick 54.4
    Blake Wheeler 54.3
    Paul Thompson 54.2
    Aurel Joliat 54.2
    Ebbie Goodfellow 54.1
    Bobby Smith 54.1
    Jozef Stumpel 54.0
    Busher Jackson 53.8
    Pavol Demitra 53.8
    Lynn Patrick 53.8
    Sergei Gonchar 53.7
    Marian Hossa 53.5
    Sergei Zubov 53.4
    Jakub Voracek 53.4
    Eddie Shore 53.3
    Markus Naslund 53.2
    Patrik Elias 53.2
    Neil Colville 53.1
    Murray Oliver 53.0
    Don McKenney 53.0
    Andrew Cassels 53.0
    Bill Thoms 52.9
    Neal Broten 52.8
    Jacques Lemaire 52.8
    Sergei Fedorov 52.4
    Dave Keon 52.2
    Phil Kessel 52.1
    Jarome Iginla 52.1
    Don Raleigh 52.1
    Eric Staal 51.9
    Larry Murphy 51.7
    Pit Martin 51.7
    Dave Taylor 51.7
    Pat Stapleton 51.7
    Vincent Lecavalier 51.7
    Dean Prentice 51.6
    Cooney Weiland 51.4
    Dany Heatley 51.2
    Alex Kovalev 51.0
    Herbie Lewis 51.0
    Chris Pronger 51.0
    Eddie Wiseman 51.0
    Alex Zhamnov 50.9
    Jason Allison 50.9
    Walt Tkaczuk 50.9
    Chris Chelios 50.8
    Tom Lysiak 50.7
    Jamie Benn 50.7
    Andre Boudrias 50.6
    Saku Koivu 50.6
    Robert Lang 50.5
    Rod Brind'Amour 50.5
    Duncan Keith 50.1
    Lorne Carr 50.1
    Bill Cook 50.0
    Gary Suter 50.0
    John Tavares 50.0
    Vaclav Prospal 50.0
    Luc Robitaille 50.0
    Gordie Drillon 50.0
    Rene Robert 49.9
    Michael Nylander 49.9
    Bryan Hextall 49.9
    Claude Provost 49.8
    Dennis Maruk 49.7
    Paul Haynes 49.6
    Alexei Yashin 49.5
    Babe Pratt 49.5
    Bobby Bauer 49.5
    David Krejci 49.5
    Wayne Cashman 49.4
    Keith Yandle 49.4
    Doc Romnes 49.4
    Red Sullivan 49.4
    Charlie Conacher 49.3
    Mikko Koivu 49.2
    Brian Rafalski 49.0
    Ken Linseman 49.0
    Dit Clapper 48.9
    Dennis Hextall 48.9
    Johnny Gottselig 48.8
    Rick Middleton 48.8
    Martin Straka 48.8
    Andrew Brunette 48.8
    Scott Niedermayer 48.6
    Red Berenson 48.6
    Kris Letang 48.5
    Tomas Kaberle 48.5
    Mush March 48.5
    Steve Sullivan 48.4
    Ilya Kovalchuk 48.4
    Brett Hull 48.2
    Art Jackson 48.1
    Scott Stevens 48.0
    Steve Larmer 47.9
    Ziggy Palffy 47.9
    Barry Pederson 47.8
    Paul Stastny 47.8
    Pat LaFontaine 47.5
    King Clancy 47.5
    Michel Goulet 47.4
    Yvan Cournoyer 47.4
    Brendan Shanahan 47.3
    Nels Stewart 47.3
    Todd Bertuzzi 47.1
    Taylor Hall 47.0
    John LeClair 47.0
    Brian Propp 47.0
    Johnny Gagnon 47.0
    Normie Himes 46.9
    Steven Stamkos 46.8
    Woody Dumart 46.7
    Alexander Mogilny 46.7
    Kenny Wharram 46.6
    Guy Lapointe 46.6
    P.K. Subban 46.6
    Cory Stillman 46.6
    Jimmy Thomson 46.6
    Igor Larionov 46.5
    Mats Naslund 46.5
    Babe Siebert 46.5
    Tom Anderson 46.5
    Ed Litzenberger 46.4
    Joe Juneau 46.4
    Doug Wilson 46.3
    Tod Sloan 46.3

    This is, to my knowledge, the first time anybody has presented the VsX results for assists. I've normalized everything to a 75 assist environment. A few stray observations:
    • Gretzky, as usual, defies description in the playmaking category. He has the top three seasons, four of the top five, and six of the top nine. Over seven years, Gretzky averaged 123.5 VsX per season - an amount that another player has only achieved once (Orr in 1970).
    • Karlsson is ranked 114th but he should ascend quickly. He currently only has five full seasons as an elite playmaking defenseman. Over his last five healthy years, he's averaged 66 VsX per season. He could be as little as two years away from passing Bourque for third place amongst blueliners.
    • Boucher recorded an enormous number of assists relative to his era; I knew he was great, but I didn`t expect him to finish quite as high as he did.
    • Howe, Bathgate and Jagr are the only wingers in the top twenty, while Orr and Coffey are the only defensemen.
    • Backstrom is quietly having an excellent career and has moved into 26th place with another strong season in 2017.
    • Paul Ronty is a player I know fairly little about. He had fantastic numbers for his best five years (69.4) but trailed quickly after that. Doug Weight and Phil Watson also have great scores.
    • NOTE - the above commentary was from 2017; it hasn't been updated since.
     
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    TABLE 10 - BEST TEN YEARS, ASSISTS (last updated: 2018)

    Wayne Gretzky 115.2
    Frank Boucher 81.1
    Phil Esposito 77.9
    Stan Mikita 77.8
    Mario Lemieux 77.7
    Gordie Howe 77.4
    Joe Thornton 77.1
    Bobby Orr 76.8
    Adam Oates 75.5
    Andy Bathgate 75.1
    Bill Cowley 72.6
    Jaromir Jagr 72.1
    Jean Beliveau 71.2
    Paul Coffey 70.8
    Henrik Sedin 70.1
    Marcel Dionne 69.9
    Sidney Crosby 69.3
    Ron Francis 69.3
    Elmer Lach 69.0
    Bobby Clarke 68.9
    Ted Lindsay 68.2
    Alex Delvecchio 68.1
    Nicklas Backstrom 66.8
    Joe Sakic 66.8
    Peter Forsberg 66.7
    Bryan Trottier 66.5
    Doug Bentley 63.8
    Jean Ratelle 63.5
    Guy Lafleur 63.1
    Martin St. Louis 62.3
    Ryan Getzlaf 62.2
    Raymond Bourque 62.1
    Peter Stastny 62.1
    Mark Messier 61.9
    Doug Gilmour 61.9
    Henri Richard 61.4
    Norm Ullman 61.3
    Steve Yzerman 61.2
    Bernie Federko 60.8
    Mark Recchi 60.6
    Bert Olmstead 60.5
    Doug Weight 60.5
    Rod Gilbert 60.5
    Denis Savard 60.4
    Gilbert Perreault 60.3
    Dale Hawerchuk 60.1
    Howie Morenz 60.1
    John Bucyk 59.9
    Milt Schmidt 59.6
    Brian Leetch 59.5
    Evgeni Malkin 58.7
    Red Kelly 58.6
    Nicklas Lidstrom 58.5
    Sid Abel 58.3
    Denis Potvin 58.2
    Bobby Hull 57.9
    Brad Richards 57.8
    Pavel Datsyuk 57.8
    Max Bentley 57.3
    Toe Blake 57.3
    Phil Watson 57.0
    Daniel Alfredsson 56.7
    Patrick Kane 56.6
    Phil Goyette 56.6
    Syl Apps Sr 56.5
    Ted Kennedy 56.3
    Pierre Pilote 56.2
    Claude Giroux 55.7
    Henrik Zetterberg 55.7
    Doug Harvey 55.7
    Scott Gomez 55.6
    Teemu Selanne 55.3
    Bobby Rousseau 55.0
    Syd Howe 55.0
    Daniel Sedin 55.0
    Anze Kopitar 55.0
    Al MacInnis 55.0
    Mike Ribeiro 54.8
    Paul Kariya 54.7
    Pierre Turgeon 54.4
    Mats Sundin 54.3
    Darryl Sittler 54.3
    Bernie Geoffrion 54.1
    Phil Housley 53.8
    Maurice Richard 53.7
    Frank Mahovlich 53.7
    Jari Kurri 53.3
    Mike Modano 53.1
    Jason Spezza 52.9
    Theoren Fleury 52.6
    Mike Bossy 52.6
    Brad Park 52.4
    Marc Savard 52.3
    Bernie Nicholls 52.1
    Vincent Damphousse 52.0
    Dickie Moore 51.8
    Alex Tanguay 51.8
    Joe Primeau 51.8
    Hooley Smith 51.6
    Bill Gadsby 51.6
    Clint Smith 51.1
    Jeremy Roenick 50.9
    Ken Hodge 50.9
    Ray Whitney 50.8
    Buddy O'Connor 50.8
    Bill Mosienko 50.7
    Sergei Zubov 50.7
    Bobby Smith 50.6
    Craig Janney 50.5
    Sergei Gonchar 50.4
    Alex Ovechkin 50.2
    Sergei Fedorov 50.1
    Larry Murphy 50.0
    Eric Lindros 49.8
    Marty Barry 49.8
    Pete Mahovlich 49.7
    Patrik Elias 49.7
    Dave Keon 49.6
    Sweeney Schriner 49.4
    Larry Robinson 49.4
    Marian Hossa 49.3
    Borje Salming 49.1
    Busher Jackson 49.0
    Gus Bodnar 48.8
    Jarome Iginla 48.8
    Eric Staal 48.7
    Chris Chelios 48.6
    Pavol Demitra 48.4
    Ebbie Goodfellow 48.3
    Jozef Stumpel 48.2
    Eddie Shore 48.2
    Bun Cook 48.0
    Paul Thompson 47.8
    Murray Oliver 47.7
    Neal Broten 47.6
    Jacques Lemaire 47.6
    Andrew Cassels 47.6
    Jakub Voracek 47.6
    Art Chapman 47.5
    Tom Lysiak 47.5
    Don McKenney 47.5
    Vincent Lecavalier 47.5
    Luc Robitaille 47.4
    Rod Brind'Amour 47.2
    Gary Suter 47.0
    Markus Naslund 46.9
    Fred Stanfield 46.9
    Chris Pronger 46.9
    Pit Martin 46.7
    Dave Taylor 46.6
    Alex Zhamnov 46.6
    Alex Kovalev 46.6
    Aurel Joliat 46.5
    Dean Prentice 46.5
    Lynn Patrick 46.4
    Duncan Keith 46.3
    Syl Apps 46.3
    Brian Rafalski 46.3
    Erik Karlsson 46.2
    Bill Thoms 46.2
    Saku Koivu 46.1
    Mikko Koivu 46.0
    Alexei Yashin 45.9
    Tomas Kaberle 45.8
    Blake Wheeler 45.6
    Roy Conacher 45.5
    Nels Stewart 45.5
    Brett Hull 45.5
    Lorne Carr 45.4
    Phil Kessel 45.3
    Johnny Gottselig 45.2
    Dennis Maruk 45.1
    Wayne Cashman 45.0
    Steve Larmer 45.0
    Cooney Weiland 44.9
    Scott Niedermayer 44.7
    Dany Heatley 44.6
    Dit Clapper 44.5
    Babe Pratt 44.5
    Ken Linseman 44.5
    Charlie Conacher 44.4
    David Krejci 44.3
    Brendan Shanahan 44.3
    Brian Propp 44.3
    Walt Tkaczuk 44.2
    Keith Yandle 44.2
    Herbie Lewis 44.2
    Steve Sullivan 44.1
    Bryan Hextall 44.1
    Andrew Brunette 44.1
    Rick Middleton 44.0
    Alexander Mogilny 44.0
    Yvan Cournoyer 44.0
    Scott Stevens 43.9
    Ilya Kovalchuk 43.9
    Pat LaFontaine 43.8
    Michael Nylander 43.8
    Mush March 43.7
    Cliff Ronning 43.7
    Paul Stastny 43.7
    Eddie Wiseman 43.7
    Michel Goulet 43.7
    Bill Cook 43.7
    Robert Lang 43.5
    Ryan Suter 43.5
    Shane Doan 43.5
    Claude Provost 43.4
    Vaclav Prospal 43.3
    Ziggy Palffy 43.3
    Dale Hunter 43.2
    Igor Larionov 43.2
    Doug Wilson 43.0
    Paul Ronty 42.8
    Andrei Markov 42.7
    Woody Dumart 42.6
    Jason Pominville 42.5
    Kirk Muller 42.5
    Red Berenson 42.5
    Glenn Anderson 42.5
    Martin Straka 42.4
    Bob Nevin 42.4
    Cal Gardner 42.3
    Doug Mohns 42.3
    Don Raleigh 42.2
    Jonathan Toews 42.2
    Rene Robert 42.2
    Patrick Marleau 42.2
    Thomas Steen 42.1
    Bill Hay 42.1
    Butch Goring 42.1
    Brendan Morrison 42.0
    Neil Colville 42.0
    Keith Tkachuk 41.9
    Todd Bertuzzi 41.9
    George Armstrong 41.8
    John Tavares 41.8
    John LeClair 41.7
    Patrice Bergeron 41.5
    Rob Blake 41.4
    Kimmo Timonen 41.4
    Dave Andreychuk 41.4
    Jamie Benn 41.3
    Mark Howe 41.2
    Tod Sloan 41.2
    Tony Amonte 41.2
    Guy Lapointe 41.2
    Milan Hejduk 41.1
    Cory Stillman 41.1
    Vic Hadfield 41.0
    Babe Siebert 41.0

    Some more stray observations:
    • Gretzky's 10th best season is the 31st best season on the all-time list. That might not sound overly impressive until you realize that nine of those thirty-one seasons ahead of him are his own.
    • Orr hangs onto a spot in the top ten almost entirely on the strength of his six best seasons.
    • The most consistent players in the top fifty are Ullman, Sakic, Getzlaf, Oates and, surprisingly, Bucyk. (These are the only players whose standard error is less than 10%).
    • Ryan Getzlaf has the second lowest peak out of anyone in the top fifty (only Norm Ullman's is lower) but he's slowly putting together a fantastic playmaking resume.
    • Consistent with the previous list, the top wingers are still Howe, Bathgate and Jagr, though Lindsay sneaks into the top twenty.
    • Connor McDavid is currently ranked 1,636th. Think he'll be moving up soon?
    • NOTE - the above commentary was from 2017; it hasn't been updated since.
     
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    TABLE 11 - CAREER TOTAL, ASSISTS (last updated: 2018)

    Wayne Gretzky 1,882
    Gordie Howe 1,711
    Jaromir Jagr 1,296
    Ron Francis 1,284
    Alex Delvecchio 1,241
    Stan Mikita 1,231
    Joe Thornton 1,206
    Mark Messier 1,191
    Raymond Bourque 1,147
    Adam Oates 1,118
    Paul Coffey 1,094
    John Bucyk 1,093
    Joe Sakic 1,092
    Steve Yzerman 1,081
    Jean Beliveau 1,078
    Phil Esposito 1,061
    Marcel Dionne 1,048
    Norm Ullman 1,043
    Mark Recchi 1,035
    Henri Richard 990
    Mario Lemieux 981
    Doug Gilmour 969
    Nicklas Lidstrom 967
    Henrik Sedin 967
    Andy Bathgate 957
    Al MacInnis 942
    Jean Ratelle 922
    Red Kelly 916
    Phil Housley 905
    Larry Murphy 905
    Bobby Clarke 896
    Mike Modano 877
    Ted Lindsay 872
    Frank Boucher 866
    Bryan Trottier 866
    Teemu Selanne 864
    Mats Sundin 854
    Doug Weight 844
    Pierre Turgeon 837
    Gilbert Perreault 837
    Dale Hawerchuk 822
    Brian Leetch 821
    Daniel Alfredsson 820
    Sidney Crosby 818
    Vincent Damphousse 813
    Bobby Hull 809
    Elmer Lach 804
    Bill Cowley 802
    Denis Savard 801
    Guy Lafleur 800
    Frank Mahovlich 794
    Jarome Iginla 794
    Chris Chelios 788
    Maurice Richard 784
    Bobby Orr 783
    Ray Whitney 783
    Milt Schmidt 782
    Rod Gilbert 781
    Rod Brind'Amour 775
    Dave Keon 770
    Martin St. Louis 765
    Doug Harvey 763
    Daniel Sedin 761
    Jeremy Roenick 756
    Sergei Fedorov 750
    Jari Kurri 746
    Brendan Shanahan 744
    Brad Richards 743
    Bill Gadsby 742
    Denis Potvin 739
    Luc Robitaille 737
    Henrik Zetterberg 736
    Ryan Getzlaf 735
    Larry Robinson 732
    Brad Park 728
    Patrik Elias 728
    Peter Forsberg 724
    Peter Stastny 722
    Bert Olmstead 719
    Bernie Federko 716
    Marian Hossa 716
    Pavel Datsyuk 712
    Scott Stevens 708
    Bernie Nicholls 705
    Nicklas Backstrom 703
    Dean Prentice 703
    Dave Andreychuk 698
    Sergei Gonchar 697
    Bernie Geoffrion 696
    Patrick Marleau 692
    Brett Hull 689
    Syd Howe 688
    Sergei Zubov 687
    Alex Tanguay 685
    Doug Bentley 685
    Doug Mohns 683
    Phil Goyette 682
    Scott Gomez 680
    Alex Kovalev 679
    Mike Ribeiro 675
    Theoren Fleury 673
    Billy Harris 672
    Paul Kariya 672
    Shane Doan 667
    Saku Koivu 661
    Dale Hunter 658
    Darryl Sittler 655
    George Armstrong 649
    Evgeni Malkin 648
    Bobby Rousseau 643
    Toe Blake 643
    Jason Spezza 643
    Pierre Pilote 641
    Murray Oliver 640
    Gary Suter 637
    Hooley Smith 637
    Anze Kopitar 633
    Scott Niedermayer 632
    Borje Salming 631
    Ted Kennedy 629
    Bobby Smith 629
    Howie Morenz 629
    Dit Clapper 628
    Ken Hodge 622
    Max Bentley 622
    Vincent Lecavalier 621
    Chris Pronger 620
    Eric Staal 620
    Phil Watson 617
    Tim Horton 612
    Patrick Kane 612
    Busher Jackson 605
    Neal Broten 601
    Alexander Mogilny 600
    Sid Abel 598
    Dave Taylor 598
    Cliff Ronning 597
    Jason Arnott 597
    Keith Tkachuk 595
    Joe Nieuwendyk 595
    Mike Gartner 594
    Rob Blake 593
    Alex Ovechkin 590
    Kirk Muller 590
    Pit Martin 590
    Andrew Cassels 584
    Bill Mosienko 571
    Mush March 570
    Nels Stewart 568
    Wayne Cashman 565
    Mathieu Schneider 565
    Syl Apps Sr 565
    Bryan Hextall 564
    Dino Ciccarelli 564
    Bob Nevin 563
    Marc Savard 562
    Teppo Numminen 559
    Jozef Stumpel 559
    Eric Lindros 558
    Eddie Shore 558
    Michel Goulet 558
    Claude Giroux 557
    Glenn Anderson 554
    Tom Lysiak 552
    Doug Wilson 551
    Dickie Moore 549
    Markus Naslund 548
    Dave Babych 547
    Tomas Kaberle 545
    Paul Thompson 544
    Mikko Koivu 544
    Butch Goring 543
    Roman Hamrlik 542
    Tony Amonte 542
    Steve Sullivan 541
    Pat Verbeek 541
    Pavol Demitra 540
    Alex Zhamnov 539
    Steve Larmer 539
    Kimmo Timonen 538
    Brian Propp 538
    Jacques Lemaire 537
    Craig Janney 537
    Matt Cullen 536
    Don McKenney 536
    Allan Stanley 536
    Andrew Brunette 535
    Steve Duchesne 534
    Andrei Markov 534
    Ryan Smyth 533
    Ebbie Goodfellow 532
    Bob Pulford 532
    Yvan Cournoyer 531
    Joe Mullen 530
    Todd Bertuzzi 530
    Marty Barry 528
    Duncan Keith 528
    Pete Mahovlich 527
    Justin Williams 527
    Johnny Gottselig 526
    Mike Bossy 526
    Rick Middleton 526
    Igor Larionov 524
    Owen Nolan 522
    Greg Adams 520
    Patrice Bergeron 520
    Steve Thomas 519
    Ralph Backstrom 518
    Joe Primeau 518
    Trevor Linden 517
    Claude Provost 515
    Ivan Boldirev 514
    Ken Linseman 514
    Walt Tkaczuk 514
    Cory Stillman 513
    Robert Lang 512
    Thomas Steen 512
    Michael Nylander 511
    Clint Smith 511
    Dan Boyle 511
    Bill Thoms 509
    Sweeney Schriner 509
    Martin Straka 509
    Pat LaFontaine 509
    Gus Bodnar 508
    Aurel Joliat 508
    Buddy O'Connor 508
    Mark Howe 507
    Alexei Yashin 505
    Woody Dumart 505
    Brian Bellows 504
    Zdeno Chara 504
    Dennis Maruk 504
    Scott Mellanby 504
    Rick Tocchet 502
    Milan Hejduk 502
    Vyacheslav Kozlov 501
    Ray Ferraro 501
    Brian Rafalski 499
    Lanny McDonald 497
    Fred Stanfield 495
    Eric Nesterenko 495
    Vic Hadfield 495
    Ryan Suter 495
    Ed Westfall 494
    Bun Cook 494
    Lorne Carr 493
    Phil Kessel 492
    Olli Jokinen 492
    Harry Howell 490
     
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    TABLE 12 - YEARLY BENCHMARK FOR ASSISTS (last updated: 2018)

    YearFactor
    192711.875
    192814
    192912
    193026.875
    193123
    193225
    193327
    193426
    193530.5
    193626
    193727
    193827
    193933
    194024.5
    194128
    194232
    194344
    194448
    194540
    194630
    194735
    194836
    194929
    195036
    195143
    195242
    195338
    195437
    195543
    195647
    195751
    195848
    195948
    196048
    196150
    196248.16667
    196349
    196450
    196547
    196648
    196749
    196848
    196959
    197052
    197165
    197263
    197367
    197462
    197574
    197671
    197769
    197872
    197977
    198072.33333
    198182
    198293
    198379.66667
    198477
    198572
    198685
    198772
    198885.83333
    198990
    199084
    199175
    199287
    199395
    199484
    199544
    199686
    199763
    199867
    199967
    200056
    200169
    200255
    200365
    200456
    200671
    200774
    200866
    200970
    201069
    201168
    201265
    201341
    201465
    201559
    201663
    201763
    2018 68
    I documented my calculation of the yearly benchmarks for assists - http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=130868097&postcount=223
     
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    I have calculations for the assists benchmarks and I think around 100 player scores. I'll share them later.
     
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    [Mod] Gordie Howe looks supremely impressive to me. Gretzky has a huge gap over him in the Top 10 seasons for points metric, and even though Gretzky had another great decade in him, Howe overcomes him on the all time total points list.
     
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    All of those seasons where Howe finished 4th or 5th in scoring really add up according to this method. Here's one way to look at it:

    - Best seven seasons (not consecutive): Gretzky has by far the highest result, Howe is third.

    - Next best six: Gretzky's "middle six" seasons rank 7th all-time. That is, if you take the 8th through 13th best seasons of his career, and compare that to the top six seasons that anyone else ever had, Gretzky still finishes 7th all-time, basically matching Jagr's best six years. Howe's "middle six" seasons rank 22nd all-time, on par with Sakic or Bossy`s top six seasons.

    - Last seven years: here's where Howe starts to pull away. Gretzky's last seven seasons rank around 115th all-time, on par with Doug Weight or Brad Richards. Howe's "last" seven seasons (ie the 14th through 20th best seasons of his career) rank around 36th all-time, on par with Peter Forsberg or Adam Oates. Then, on top of that, Howe adds on six more seasons.

    That's a good question. It largely reflects the trends in assists in the NHL as a whole. Prior to the 1968 expansion, Mikita held the single-season record for assists with 62. Five years later, that 10 players matched or exceeded that. I think it was a combination of 1) general increase in scoring league wide 2) concentration in talent among the "original six" teams and 3) an increase in number of powerplays. The latter two points explain why top players began recording a higher proportion of assists relative to other players.
     
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    Defencemen

    Check the assist totals for defencemen - J.C. Tremblay more than doubled, Orr skyrocketed, Park and Guy Lapointe, entered the league and matured quickly. Just an informal observation.
     
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    Seeing a lot of Phil (garbage man) Esposito at the top of all these categories.
     
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    Well he scored a lot, didn't he?
     
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    Apparently.

    But he doesn't seem to get the same accolades as those he's keeping company with on these lists.
     
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    I had a request for points-per-game. This has been modified slightly from a version that I posted previously (so it's weighed for games played each season, rather than assuming each season is worth the same amount). On top of that, any season where a player appears in less than half of games played has been excluded.

    TABLE 13 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, POINTS PER GAME

     
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    Awesome, thanks for that HO!
     
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    Let's look at the pre-modern era, before NHL expansion, at the early NHL and Original Six eras.

    I'm impressed by the bolded.

    Both Hull and Mikita had their 7-year peaks right at the end of the 1960's as NHL expansion was heralding in a new era of high scoring. That means, besides Howe of course, Ted Lindsay is next at the tops of the list! :amazed: His scoring relative to other Original-Six Era greats like Beliveau, Richard, Bathgate, Boom Boom isn't so often emphasized. And yet there Ted is, above them.:naughty:

    Gordie Drillon is top-10 in pre-O6 era scoring over his 7-year peak according to this list. Of course, for Drillon, that was his entire career. Still, it's impressive.

    Norm Ullman is higher on the list than more talked about Mahovlich and Delvecchio, yet Ullman's two-way game makes him even more impressive, though having no cups partly explains his relative obscurity in hockey history discussions.

    Johnny Gagnon was Morenz's wing man for years and stands out as the only guy on the pre-1970's list not to have been drafted in the all-time drafts this year (ATD 2017, MLD 2017) where he probably should have been.
     
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    Let's look at ACTIVE NHLers:
    • The difference between Crosby and Malkin is .02? That's basically no difference.
    • Defenseman Karlsson is the same as Rick Nash. :laugh:
    • Bergeron is usually given less credit for his offense than this list shows, him pretty close to several oft-noted "scorers".
    • Patrick Kane is clearly the leader of the under-30 crowd, significantly ahead of Stamkos, Tavares and Benn.
    • Pacioretty is building an offensive resume, avergaing over 30 goals a season for the last six years.
     

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