RE-DO the 1st & 2nd Rounds of 2005!!

[Jerky Leclerc]

First out the gate doesn't necessarily mean you are a better player. Bobby Ryan is a project and the Ducks drafted him based on his potential. It takes time to develop a powerforward and with the depth on the Ducks, Bobby Ryan will be given the time to work on his game.

 

[Mr. Hab]

First out the gate doesn't necessarily mean you are a better player. Bobby Ryan is a project and the Ducks drafted him based on his potential. It takes time to develop a powerforward and with the depth on the Ducks, Bobby Ryan will be given the time to work on his game.

RE-DO the list...(1st round). Please!!

And, you're right about "first out the gate..."

On page 3 (my list!)...I moved him DOWN to #12...but next year he might move UP towards top 5 again... it's like the stock market Look at the Brule hype...it was all for this year, but he still has 15 years+ ahead of him, and I believe he will be that gritty, solid #1 or #2 center...he will produce once he gets top 6 duty (next year or the year after?).


I think I'd still take B Ryan over P Stastny...can't have enough of those Power Forwards...

Maybe next year (or the year after) people will be saying great things about B Ryan...time will tell. It's about value right now...his is lower now BUT next year (or year after?) it could go back UP...

 

[MXD]

If a Habs fan can come on here and justify how Carey Price, Guilluame Latendresse and Sergei Kostitsyn can all be taken in the first round, then it shouldn't be that hard to make an argument that Downie belongs in the top 10.

That's not very hard for both Price and Latendresse... Both would picked ahead of Downie. As for Downie, I think the 10-20 range would be fair with him and everyone.
But Kostitsyn... I could see him go anywhere in the 2nd-3rd.

 

[Mr. Hab]

That's not very hard for both Price and Latendresse... Both would picked ahead of Downie. As for Downie, I think the 10-20 range would be fair with him and everyone.
But Kostitsyn... I could see him go anywhere in the 2nd-3rd.

Yeah I know...that would be more fair (2nd round).
But, I really sincerely do believe a GM or two would pick him in 2nd round (maybe one GM would even take him in 1st round?).

Well...Sergei Kosts is still a "steal" in the 7th round!!
I don't even know why the Habs waited so long (huge risk he wouldn't have been available anymore).

 

[Jerky Leclerc]

RE-DO the list...(1st round). Please!!

And, you're right about "first out the gate..."

I won't do an entire list but my top 10 would be:

1. Sidney Crosby (consensus)
2. Jack Johnson (overall package is too appealing)
3. Anze Kopitar (best forward behind Sid)
4. Carey Price (stock rose after WJC)
5. Marc Staal (this kid has got more than just a last name)
6. Marc-Edouard Vlasic (smart player who has lots of poise)
7. Bobby Ryan (too much potential to drop out of top 10)
8. Paul Stastny (showing his offensive skills in pro)
9. Guillaume Latendresse (will be a good, not great player)
10. Gilbert Brule (smallest player should never have been rushed)

 

[Lucifer_Devils]

My choices would be...it's just for fun, I'm no Lou Lamoriello

1st round

1-1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C
2-11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C
3-3 Carolina Jack Johnson D
4-6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C
5-5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G
6-12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D
7-10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D
8-4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L
9-2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R
10-21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G
11-23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W
12-44 Colorado Paul Stastny C
13-45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R
14-9 Ottawa Brian Lee D
15-7 Chicago Jack Skille R
16-24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C
17-8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R
18-13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C
19-17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C
20-15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C
21-35 San Jose Marc-Edouard Vlasic D
22-16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R
23-34 Colorado Ryan Stoa C
24-19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D
25-22 Boston Matt Lashoff D
26-41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G
27-20 Florida Kendall McArdle L
28-29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R
29-18 Nashville Ryan Parent D
30-25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C

 

[MXD]

My 2 Cents

1 - Sidney Crosby
2 - Anze Kopitar
3 - Jack Johnson
4 - Carey Price
5 - Guilllaume Latendresse
6 - Marc-Edouard Vlasic
7 - Gilbert Brulé
8 - Tuukka Rask *All things being equals. Could go a little bit lower due to the fact that he's playing in Finland, thus there not as much influcence on developpement compared to other goalies. But Finland doesn't have a rep. of midsdeveloppping or "holding on" to their players.
9 - Jack Skille
10 - Bobby Ryan
11 - Marc Staal
12 - Kris Letang
13 - Benoit Pouliot
14 - Luc Bourdon
15 - Paul Stasny

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I re-did the list (again!)...

This is (IMO) what I think most GM's/scouts would do today with the FIRST Round... (just my opinion, not a fact!!) :


1. Sidney Crosby (could be the best 1st overall for the next 10 years or more!!)
2. Anze Kopitar
3. Jack Johnson (lots of GM's wouls still pick JJ at 2nd overall, IMO)
4. Carey Price
5. Paul Stastny (not sure a GM would choose him 5th overall, maybe? maybe not? for now I'll leave him at #5!!...IMO, he'll be a Pierre Turgeon or a mini-Turgeon)
6. Marc Staal (IMO, some GM's would NOW choose Latendresse over Staal, but #6 is good for Staal...)
7. Guillaume Latendresse* (should only continue to improve/impress, IMO he could be the Power Forward Habs have needed for awhile...)
8. Gilbert Brule (I'm expecting Brule to show a lot more next year, especially if he gets 2nd line duty...)
9. M-E Vlasic (UP by a lot...I cannot argue with the number of minutes the coach is giving him! lots of people are talking about Vlasic and for a reason!)
10. Tuukka Rask (UP by a lot! the best Finnish goalie since Kari Lehtonen?)
11. Luc Bourdon (showed his slapshot/one timer during WJC)
12. Bobby Ryan (DOWN, but...could be back UP in top 5 next year...lots of potential like Pouliot - see below!)
13. Benoit Pouliot (was UP and DOWN with Minnesota, I believe he's in the minors right now but should show a lot more next year...)
14. Jack Skille
15. Niklas Bergfors
16. T.J. Oshie
17. Parent
18. Cogliano (love his speed...just has to finish more often)
19. Downie (UP from #29)
20. B. Lee (DOWN by a bit, still a solid prospect even though value went down a little...)
21. Chorney
22. Hanzal
23. Setoguchi (DOWN, will maybe pick it UP next year)
24. Kindl
25. Zagrapan
26. McArdle
27. Lashoff
28. S. Kostitsyn* (UP from 7th Round!!...maybe a GM would pick him up in 1st Round? Maybe not? More likely in the 2nd Round...)
29. O'Marra

Not to rag on your list (I know it takes plenty of time and effort), but how does Letang not make it into the 1st Round over guys like Zagrapan, Kostitsyn, or McArdle when he nearly made the Pens out of camp, was scoring 1.5 PPG in the Q and made the WJC All-Tournament Team?

 

[Mr. Hab]

Not to rag on your list (I know it takes plenty of time and effort), but how does Letang not make it into the 1st Round over guys like Zagrapan, Kostitsyn, or McArdle when he nearly made the Pens out of camp, was scoring 1.5 PPG in the Q and made the WJC All-Tournament Team?

Nope...no problem

I added Letang to the next post (edited list!) 1st round!!

I did think of it before...if I were a Hab scout I just might take him NOW over Zagrapan, Kosts, McArdle,
Maybe I should put Kosts in 2nd round? (I'm sure a GM would choose him now in 2nd round, at worst in 3rd round!).

Zagrapan still has offensive upside...

I hear/read that McArdle was doing well again back in juniors but I just might take Letang over McArdle (I could be wrong...). Letang's value has gone up...I'm sure some or more than some have him in top 20 now...
Maybe he (Letang) should even be in B. Lee's spot? (#20).
Right now it would be Letang VS Lee VS Parent VS Lashoff... & maybe even include Taylor Chorley in this category?...
After that it would be: Staal VS Bourdon VS Vlasic...
And then there's JJ!! (Jack Johnson).

 

[Mr. Hab]

I RE-re-did the list (again!)...

This is (IMO) what I think most GM's/scouts would do today with the FIRST Round... (just my opinion, not a fact!!) :


1. Sidney Crosby (could be the best 1st overall for the next 10 years or more!!)
2. Anze Kopitar
3. Jack Johnson (lots of GM's wouls still pick JJ at 2nd overall, IMO)
4. Carey Price (has potential to be a franchise goalie...I love his puckhandling a la Brodeur!)
5. Paul Stastny (not sure a GM would choose him NOW at 5th overall, maybe? maybe not? for now I'll leave him at #5!!...IMO, he'll be a Pierre Turgeon with more defensive upside or a mini-Turgeon, is already doing a great job replacing Turgeon!)
6. Guillaume Latendresse (should only continue to improve/impress, IMO he could be the Power Forward Habs have needed for awhile...his passing/hockey sense is very mature/developed)
7. Gilbert Brule (still in Top 10 'cause Brule should show a lot more next year, as long as he gets 2nd line duty...)
8. Marc Staal (should be a #5-6 D-man for the Rangers next season)
9. M-E Vlasic (UP by a lot...at 19 he's already a solid Defensive D-man...maybe a GM would now select Vlasic ahead of M Staal? lots of people are talking about Vlasic this season and for a reason!)
10. Tuukka Rask (possible franchise goalie...Boston has good future with Finnish duo: Toinoven & Rask)
11. Bobby Ryan (DOWN, but...could be back UP in top 5 next year...lots of potential like Pouliot - see below!)
12. Benoit Pouliot (was UP and DOWN with Minnesota, I believe he's in the minors right now but should show a lot more & will go UP next year)
13. Luc Bourdon (showed his big slapshot/one timer during WJC, should be #5-6 D with Vancouver next year)
14. T.J. Oshie
15. Niklas Bergfors
16. Jack Skille
17. Hanzal
18. B. Lee (DOWN by a bit, still a solid prospect even though value went down a little...)
19. Downie (UP from #29...maybe a GM would take him in top 20 now?)
20. Setoguchi (DOWN, will maybe pick it UP next year)
21. Cogliano (love his speed + confidence/creativity...just has to FINISH more often)
22. Letang
23. Zagrapan
24. Kindl
25. Chorney
26. McArdle
27. Parent (value should go back UP next year)
28. S. Kostitsyn* (UP from 7th Round!!...maybe a GM would pick him up in 1st Round? Maybe not? More likely in the 2nd Round...)
29. Lashoff

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I RE-re-did the list (again!)...

This is (IMO) what I think most GM's/scouts would do today with the FIRST Round... (just my opinion, not a fact!!) :


1. Sidney Crosby (could be the best 1st overall for the next 10 years or more!!)
2. Anze Kopitar
3. Jack Johnson (lots of GM's wouls still pick JJ at 2nd overall, IMO)
4. Carey Price (has potential to be a franchise goalie...I love his puckhandling a la Brodeur!)
5. Paul Stastny (not sure a GM would choose him NOW at 5th overall, maybe? maybe not? for now I'll leave him at #5!!...IMO, he'll be a Pierre Turgeon with more defensive upside or a mini-Turgeon, is already doing a great job replacing Turgeon!)
6. Guillaume Latendresse (should only continue to improve/impress, IMO he could be the Power Forward Habs have needed for awhile...his passing/hockey sense is very mature/developed)
7. Gilbert Brule (still in Top 10 'cause Brule should show a lot more next year, as long as he gets 2nd line duty...)
8. Marc Staal (should be a #5-6 D-man for the Rangers next season)
9. M-E Vlasic (UP by a lot...at 19 he's already a solid Defensive D-man...maybe a GM would now select Vlasic ahead of M Staal? lots of people are talking about Vlasic this season and for a reason!)
10. Tuukka Rask (possible franchise goalie...Boston has good future with Finnish duo: Toinoven & Rask)
11. Bobby Ryan (DOWN, but...could be back UP in top 5 next year...lots of potential like Pouliot - see below!)
12. Benoit Pouliot (was UP and DOWN with Minnesota, I believe he's in the minors right now but should show a lot more & will go UP next year)
13. Luc Bourdon (showed his big slapshot/one timer during WJC, should be #5-6 D with Vancouver next year)
14. T.J. Oshie
15. Niklas Bergfors
16. Jack Skille
17. Hanzal
18. B. Lee (DOWN by a bit, still a solid prospect even though value went down a little...)
19. Downie (UP from #29...maybe a GM would take him in top 20 now?)
20. Setoguchi (DOWN, will maybe pick it UP next year)
21. Cogliano (love his speed...just has to finish more often)
22. Letang
23. Zagrapan
24. Kindl
25. Chorney
26. McArdle
27. Parent (value should go back UP next year)
28. S. Kostitsyn* (UP from 7th Round!!...maybe a GM would pick him up in 1st Round? Maybe not? More likely in the 2nd Round...)
29. Lashoff

You're a doll.

 

[Dominator13]

You're a doll.

well if it helps, i would take Letang way more then Lee on my team

my list:

1.Sidney Crosby
2.Jack Johnson
3.Anse Kopitar( i still think he's more of an early bloomer then a future superstar)
4.Carey Price
5.Guillaume Latendresse
6.Benoit Pouliot
7.Marc-Édourad Vlasic
8.Marc Stall
9.Luc Bourdon
10.Tuuka Rask
11.Paul Statsny
12.Bobby Ryan
13.Jack Skille
14.Gilbert Brulé( really really not convinved with that huge potential he once had)
15.Nicklas Bergford
16.Kris Letang
17.T.J Oshie
18.Martin Hanzal( if he only worked a little more...)
19.Ryan O'marra
20.Alex Bourret
21.Marek Zagrapan
22. Steve Downey( surefire NHLer, could play from 1st to 4th line one day)
23.Matt Lashoff
24.Andrew Cogliano( really fast but needs to work on finishing skills ASAP)
25.Ondrej Pavalec( the next Halak maybe, similar style)
26. Sergei Kostitsyn( probably a homer pick but a key part to the Knights success, h7rdworking playmaker who likes to get dirty, a steal
27. Brian Lee( right now a powerplay specialist, not that impressed)
28.Ryan Parent
29.Ryan Stoa
29.

 

[PanthersRule96]

well if it helps, i would take Letang way more then Lee on my team

my list:

1.Sidney Crosby
2.Jack Johnson
3.Anse Kopitar( i still think he's more of an early bloomer then a future superstar)
4.Carey Price
5.Guillaume Latendresse
6.Benoit Pouliot
7.Marc-Édourad Vlasic
8.Marc Stall
9.Luc Bourdon
10.Tuuka Rask
11.Paul Statsny
12.Bobby Ryan
13.Jack Skille
14.Gilbert Brulé( really really not convinved with that huge potential he once had)
15.Nicklas Bergford
16.Kris Letang
17.T.J Oshie
18.Martin Hanzal( if he only worked a little more...)
19.Ryan O'marra
20.Alex Bourret
21.Marek Zagrapan
22. Steve Downey( surefire NHLer, could play from 1st to 4th line one day)
23.Matt Lashoff
24.Andrew Cogliano( really fast but needs to work on finishing skills ASAP)
25.Ondrej Pavalec( the next Halak maybe, similar style)
26. Sergei Kostitsyn( probably a homer pick but a key part to the Knights success, h7rdworking playmaker who likes to get dirty, a steal
27. Brian Lee( right now a powerplay specialist, not that impressed)
28.Ryan Parent
29.Ryan Stoa
29.

Pavelec the next Halak???? C'mon that's a ridiculous comparison, maybe if the stars align and he reaches his max potential perhaps he could hold a candle to Halak.

I'm just kidding.

 

[Dominator13]

Pavelec the next Halak???? C'mon that's a ridiculous comparison, maybe if the stars align and he reaches his max potential perhaps he could hold a candle to Halak.

I'm just kidding.

Is it really too big of a reach even if i know your being sarcastic, i really really like Pavelec

 

[Mr. Hab]

You're a doll.

No problem & you're welcome...

I'm sure I'm still forgetting (at least) 2 or 3 more players...

Maybe 1 or 2 GM's (knowing what they know NOW) would select Pavelec in 1st Round? Just maybe...

Anyways...it's all in good fun (we'll know more in 1-2-3 years...it's just so fun to evaluate everything now & make predictions ).

 

[Jeffrey]

dan ryder is overlooked !!!

 

[John Belushi]

1st round

1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
2 Anaheim Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
3 Carolina Anze Kopitar C Sodertalje Jrs (Sweden)
4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G Tri-City Americans (WHL)
6 Columbus Guillaume Latendresse R Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
7 Chicago Paul Stastny C U. of Denver (NCAA)
8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
9 Ottawa Bobby Ryan R Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
11 Los Angeles Nicklas Bergfors W Sodertalje SK (SEL)
12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
14 Washington Sasha Pokulok D Cornell University (NCAA)
15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C Erie Otters (OHL)
16 Atlanta Gilbert Brule C Vancouver Giants (WHL)
17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C Budejovice Jrs (Czech. Rep)
18 Nashville Ryan Parent D Guelph Storm (OHL)
19 Detroit T.J. Oshie C Warroad H.S. (Minn.)
20 Florida Kendall McArdle L Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G Ilves Tampere (FNL)
22 Boston Matt Lashoff D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
23 New Jersey Jack Skille R U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
24 St. Louis Kris Letang
25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C St. Michael's Buzzers (OPJHL)
26 Calgary Marc-Edouard Vlasic Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)
27 Washington Brendan Mikkelson D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)
28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D Virginia H.S. (Minn.)
29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R Windsor Spitfires (OHL)

Believe me, if Brule was available, the Nucks would take him at 10th.

 

[John Belushi]

well if it helps, i would take Letang way more then Lee on my team

my list:

1.Sidney Crosby
2.Jack Johnson
3.Anse Kopitar( i still think he's more of an early bloomer then a future superstar)
4.Carey Price
5.Guillaume Latendresse
6.Benoit Pouliot
7.Marc-Édourad Vlasic
8.Marc Stall
9.Luc Bourdon
10.Tuuka Rask
11.Paul Statsny
12.Bobby Ryan
13.Jack Skille
14.Gilbert Brulé( really really not convinved with that huge potential he once had)
15.Nicklas Bergford
16.Kris Letang
17.T.J Oshie
18.Martin Hanzal( if he only worked a little more...)
19.Ryan O'marra
20.Alex Bourret
21.Marek Zagrapan
22. Steve Downey( surefire NHLer, could play from 1st to 4th line one day)
23.Matt Lashoff
24.Andrew Cogliano( really fast but needs to work on finishing skills ASAP)
25.Ondrej Pavalec( the next Halak maybe, similar style)
26. Sergei Kostitsyn( probably a homer pick but a key part to the Knights success, h7rdworking playmaker who likes to get dirty, a steal
27. Brian Lee( right now a powerplay specialist, not that impressed)
28.Ryan Parent
29.Ryan Stoa
29.

Three Habs prospects in the first round, and 2 in the top five? Do you really have to be that biased?

I'd take Brule, Stastny, Vlasic and Staal and possibly Pouliot over Latendresse and I actually prefer Rask to Price.

See, I feel no need to plug Bourdon or Raymond in there. Next time, try seeing the whole picture instead of nothing outside of good ol' Mont Royal.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

Hmm surprised to see no mention of Keith Yandle considering the Vlasic-Yandle and Letang-Yandle threads a few weeks ago. He merits consideration but 2005 really has a shed-load of quality D prospects that are 1st round quality. Niskanen is another that is being overlooked.

Is it just me or is there an insane amount of defensemen in this draft? Seems unusually strong.

Johnson
M Staal
Lashoff
B Lee
Bourdon
Vlasic
Letang
Yandle
Niskanen
Parent
Chorney

That's 11 there. Then you have

C Franson
K Russell
R Macias
D Kohn
Kudelka

all ripping up the WHL - traditionally a strong supplier of NHL defensemen..

Pokulok
Kindl
Pelech

all drafted in the 1st and cant be discounted.

Mihalik
Mikkelson
Jackson

all considered 1st round potential guys at the time and I dont think any have gone backwards. Anton Stralman is looking PDG. Anikeenko was a top prospect once too. Hagemo is another standout. There's Syvret too and Laakso. Gragnani too. Cumiskey in the 9th is already in the NHL. Almost 30 defensemen and I'm sure there's some I dont know about.

 

[littleD]

I'm completely shocked some genius hasn't put Latendresse above Crosby yet.

 

[Kaizer]

I'm completely shocked some genius hasn't put Latendresse above Crosby yet.

This spot is reserved for Price, actually

 

[Ola]

My choices would be...it's just for fun, I'm no Lou Lamoriello

1st round

1-1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C
2-11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C
3-3 Carolina Jack Johnson D
4-6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C
5-5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G
6-12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D
7-10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D
8-4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L
9-2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R
10-21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G
11-23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W
12-44 Colorado Paul Stastny C
13-45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R
14-9 Ottawa Brian Lee D
15-7 Chicago Jack Skille R
16-24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C
17-8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R
18-13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C
19-17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C
20-15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C
21-35 San Jose Marc-Edouard Vlasic D
22-16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R
23-34 Colorado Ryan Stoa C
24-19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D
25-22 Boston Matt Lashoff D
26-41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G
27-20 Florida Kendall McArdle L
28-29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R
29-18 Nashville Ryan Parent D
30-25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C

That maybe the case, but I think your list is about 3x as good as anyone else in this thread.

Its amazing how tied up to the draft people are.

Its pretty safe to assume that if a draft were held again a year later there would bee a helluva lot of movement.

Id like to see a draft were the Marc Staal of today aren't a top 10 pick...

 

[Dominator13]

Three Habs prospects in the first round, and 2 in the top five? Do you really have to be that biased?

I'd take Brule, Stastny, Vlasic and Staal and possibly Pouliot over Latendresse and I actually prefer Rask to Price.

See, I feel no need to plug Bourdon or Raymond in there. Next time, try seeing the whole picture instead of nothing outside of good ol' Mont Royal.

That's your opinion, personally Latendresse has become my favoriote player on the team and woudn't wan to trade him for anybody from that list. Price top5 is a no-brainer, and look at what Sergei Kostytsin with the Knights, i honestly think that if the draft would of been redone that's where he'd be picked.

Bourdon is right where he should be on the list, and Raymond is very far from being a first round prospect.

 

[Zim]

That's your opinion, personally Latendresse has become my favoriote player on the team and woudn't wan to trade him for anybody from that list. Price top5 is a no-brainer, and look at what Sergei Kostytsin with the Knights, i honestly think that if the draft would of been redone that's where he'd be picked.

Bourdon is right where he should be on the list, and Raymond is very far from being a first round prospect.

David Bolland got 130 points in 59 games with knights but is now struggling in the AHL albeit he's had problems with injuries. Troy Brouwer who only got 102 points in 72 games in the WHL is easily outscoring him in the AHL (52 points in 44 games) and they were drafted the same year. I guess what i am saying is that it's not a great idea to judge people on minor league stats. Obviously when the players are first drafted that's all scouts have to go on but atleast wait until they reach the AHL until you talk abut reevaluating them and moving them up into the first round.

 

[Dominator13]

David Bolland got 130 points in 59 games with knights but is now struggling in the AHL albeit he's had problems with injuries. Troy Brouwer who only got 102 points in 72 games in the WHL is easily outscoring him in the AHL (52 points in 44 games) and they were drafted the same year. I guess what i am saying is that it's not a great idea to judge people on minor league stats. Obviously when the players are first drafted that's all scouts have to go on but atleast wait until they reach the AHL until you talk abut reevaluating them and moving them up into the first round.

It's not just about the stats, that's what i was trying to say, He won't shy away from traffic, he's a working machine, witch isin't the case with Bolland with what i previously read, S. Kostytsin has been great everywhere he went threw, he practically carried the hole Belarussian team a month ago