Ratio between goals of #1 goalscorer and his team' goals 1946 - 2023 RS + PO

[Michael Farkas]

So there's one player that meets both criteria for goal scoring and did not win the Cup? Is that what you're saying there?

 

[Namba 17]

So there's one player that meets both criteria for goal scoring and did not win the Cup? Is that what you're saying there?

Yeah

 

[Namba 17]

And here is the answer:

Spoiler

Ovechkin - 17/18
Bossy - 80/81
Lafleur - 77/78
Esposito - 69/70 and 71/72
Bealiveau - 55/56

 

[Michael Farkas]

I'm not gonna look yet...is the oddball, non Cup winner Iginla...? Did he lead the playoffs in goals? I think he might have because no one really scored in those playoffs.

 

[Namba 17]

I'm not gonna look yet...is the oddball, non Cup winner Iginla...? Did he lead the playoffs in goals? I think he might have because no one really scored in those playoffs.

I didn't give the answer for the 2nd question yet, only for players who were #1 RS, #1 PO and won SC.
The second is reeeeeeeaaaaaaaly tough.
I can give you more time, but its almost impossible to guess

 

[solidmotion]

I didn't give the answer for the 2nd question yet, only for players who were #1 RS, #1 PO and won SC.
The second is reeeeeeeaaaaaaaly tough.
I can give you more time, but its almost impossible to guess

if it's not iginla 03-04 then i don't understand the question

 

[Namba 17]

if it's not iginla 03-04 then i don't understand the question

You understood, but I missed him too
So it was not one player, but 2.
Probably, I missed smbd else
So, there were two players One is Iginla 03/04.
Another:

Spoiler

Reggie Leach 75/76

 

[Namba 17]

Ok.
I have to apologize and admit that I was wrong.
It was late and I didn't check everything properly.
There are not that few players, who were #1 goalscorers in RS and PO and didn't win SC.
Here are their names:

Iginla 03/04
Leach 75/76
Bure 93/94
Bobby Hull 61/62
Maurice Richard 46/47

I hope this list is correct, finally.

 

[MadLuke]

Always a bit of a surprise if both Gretzky and Lemieux are not an answer for a question like that, you immediatly think that Lemieux never did it, played few game during his 2 big playoff year and Hull went insane in that window, did not go reach the finals previously and 95-96 was Sakic year....

But Gretzky, you would think.

 

[Namba 17]

Now play-offs.
Thats PO goalscoring results when the player was #1 goalscorer of his team in regular season

Name/season/ player's goals / team goals / indication if he was #1 goalscorer of his team in PO / ratio

Ovi 07/08 4 20 1 20
Ovi 14/15 5 28 1 17,85
Ovi 12/13 1 12 8,33
Ovi 08/09 11 41 1 26,83
Ovi 19/20 4 13 1 30,77
Ovi 15/16 5 29 17,24
Ovi 17/18 15 86 1 17,44
Ovi 18/19 4 20 20
Ovi 21/22 1 19 5,26
Ovi 11/12 5 29 1 17,24
Ovi 09/10 5 22 1 22,73
Ovi 10/11 5 23 1 21,74
Ovi 20/21 2 10 1 20
Ovi 16/17 5 36 13,89

cheechoo 05/06 4 29 13,79
cheechoo 06/07 3 25 12

Lecavalier 06/07 5 15 1 35,71
Lecavalier 02/03 3 22 13,64
Lecavalier 05/06 1 13 7,69

Crosby 09/10 6 42 1 14,29
Crosby 16/17 8 77 10,39
Crosby 15/16 6 73 8,22
Crosby 13/14 1 35 2,86
Crosby 06/07 3 10 30
Crosby 20/21 1 16 6,25
Crosby 14/15 2 8 1 25

Stamkos 10/11 6 59 10,17
Stamkos 14/15 7 65 10,77
Stamkos 21/22 11 67 1 16,42
Stamkos 18/19 1 8 1 12,5

Perry 10/11 2 20 10
Perry 13/14 4 35 11,43
Perry 15/16 0 18 0
Perry 07/08 2 13 1 15,38
Perry 14/15 10 57 1 17,54
Perry 08/09 8 35 1 22,86
Perry 12/13 0 21 0

Pastrnak 19/20 3 29 10,34
Pastrnak 22/23 5 27 1 18,52
Pastrnak 21/22 3 20 15
Pastrnak 18/19 9 79 1 11,39
Pastrnak 17/18 6 41 1 14,63

Matthews 20/21 1 18 5,56
Matthews 19/20 2 10 1 20
Matthews 21/22 4 24 1 16,67
Matthews 16/17 4 16 1 25
Matthews 22/23 5 33 1 15,15

McDavid 22/23 8 44 18,18
McDavid 20/21 1 8 12,5
McDavid 16/17 5 36 13,89

Kovi 11/12 8 59 1 13,56

Nash 08/09 1 7 14,29
Nash 14/15 5 45 11,11
Nash 12/13 1 26 3,85
Nash 13/14 3 64 4,69

Iginla 07/08 4 17 1 23,53
Iginla 03/04 13 60 1 21,67
Iginla 05/06 5 16 1 31,25
Iginla 06/07 2 10 1 20
Iginla 13/14 5 30 1 16,67

Hejduk 02/03 2 17 11,76
Hejduk 99/00 5 43 11,63
Hejduk 03/04 5 26 19,23
Hejduk 07/08 3 26 11,54

Bure 99/00 1 6 16,67
Bure 93/94 16 76 1 21,05
Bure 92/93 5 46 10,87
Bure 94/95 7 33 1 21,21
Bure 91/92 6 44 13,64

Selanne 92/93 4 17 1 23,53
Selanne 98/99 2 6 1 33,33
Selanne 96/97 7 25 1 28
Selanne 06/07 5 58 8,62
Selanne 05/06 6 46 13,04
Selanne 01/02 5 34 14,71

Bondra 94/95 5 26 1 19,23
Bondra 97/98 7 53 1 13,21
Bondra 95/96 3 17 1 17,65
Bondra 00/01 2 10 1 20
Bondra 92/93 0 22 0

Tkachuk 96/97 6 17 1 35,29
Tkachuk 95/96 1 10 10
Tkachuk 97/98 3 18 16,67
Tkachuk 98/99 1 16 6,25
Tkachuk 03/04 0 9 0
Tkachuk 01/02 5 24 20,83

Lemieux 88/89 12 43 1 27,91
Lemieux 95/96 11 57 1 19,3
Lemieux 92/93 8 50 1 16
Lemieux 96/97 3 13 23,08

Mogilny 92/93 7 31 1 22,58
Mogilny 95/96 1 17 5,88
Mogilny 00/01 5 69 7,25

Brett Hull 90/91 11 41 1 26,83
Brett Hull 91/92 4 19 1 21,05
Brett Hull 89/90 13 42 1 30,95
Brett Hull 93/94 2 10 1 20
Brett Hull 95/96 6 37 16,22
Brett Hull 92/93 8 24 1 33,33
Brett Hull 96/97 2 12 16,67
Brett Hull 94/95 6 27 1 22,22
Brett Hull 00/01 2 22 9,09
Brett Hull 88/89 5 35 14,29
Brett Hull 02/03 0 6 0

Gretzky 81/82 5 23 1 21,74
Gretzky 83/84 13 94 13,83
Gretzky 84/85 17 98 17,35
Gretzky 79/80 2 6 1 33,33
Gretzky 80/81 7 35 20,00
Gretzky 82/83 12 80 15,00
Gretzky 86/87 5 87 5,75

Kurri 85/86 2 41 4,88

Bossy 82/83 17 94 1 18,09
Bossy 78/79 6 27 1 22,22
Bossy 80/81 17 97 1 17,53
Bossy 85/86 1 4 1 25,00
Bossy 79/80 10 88 11,36
Bossy 84/85 5 25 1 20,00
Bossy 81/82 17 85 1 20,00
Bossy 77/78 2 13 15,38
Bossy 83/84 8 62 12,90

Gare 79/80 4 48 8,33
Gare 75/76 5 25 1 20,00
Gare 80/81 3 30 10,00

Simmer 79/80 2 10 1 20,00

Lafleur 77/78 10 58 1 17,24
Lafleur 75/76 7 44 1 15,91
Lafleur 78/79 10 63 1 15,87
Lafleur 74/75 12 49 1 24,49

Shutt 76/77 8 54 14,81
Shutt 80/81 2 6 1 33,33

Leach 75/76 19 61 1 31,15
Leach 74/75 8 53 15,09
Leach 79/80 9 78 11,54

Esposito 71/72 9 64 1 14,06
Esposito 73/74 9 58 15,52
Esposito 70/71 3 26 11,54
Esposito 74/75 4 15 1 26,67
Esposito 68/69 8 40 1 20,00
Esposito 69/70 13 65 1 20,00
Esposito 67/68 0 8 0
Esposito 78/79 8 66 1 12,12
Esposito 79/80 3 21 14,29

Bobby Hull 61/62 8 34 1 23,53
Bobby Hull 65/66 2 10 1 20
Bobby Hull 67/68 4 28 14,29
Bobby Hull 59/60 1 6 1 16,67
Bobby Hull 63/64 2 18 11,11
Bobby Hull 66/67 4 14 1 28,57
Bobby Hull 71/72 4 23 1 17,39
Bobby Hull 64/65 10 35 1 28,57
Bobby Hull 62/63 8 19 1 42,11
Bobby Hull 70/71 11 59 1 18,64
Bobby Hull 60/61 4 35 11,43

Ullman 64/65 6 19 1 31,58
Ullman 68/69 1 5 20,00
Ullman 60/61 0 27 0

Howe 56/57 2 14 14,29
Howe 52/53 2 21 9,52
Howe 51/52 2 24 8,33
Howe 55/56 3 23 13,04
Howe 62/63 7 35 1 20,00
Howe 57/58 1 6 16,67
Howe 50/51 4 12 1 33,33
Howe 53/54 4 29 13,79
Howe 59/60 1 16 6,25
Howe 54/55 9 41 1 21,95
Howe 65/66 4 36 11,11
Howe 63/64 9 41 1 21,95

Geoffrion 60/61 2 15 13,33
Geoffrion 54/55 8 36 1 22,22
Geoffrion 51/52 3 20 15,00

Horvath 57/58 5 42 11,90

Bealiveau 55/56 12 42 1 28,57
Bealiveau 56/57 6 37 16,22
Bealiveau 63/64 2 14 1 14,29
Bealiveau 59/60 5 29 17,24

Dickie Moore 57/58 4 35 11,43

Richard 49/50 1 7 14,29
Richard 50/51 9 23 1 39,13
Richard 46/47 9 29 1 31,03
Richard 53/54 3 28 10,71
Richard 52/53 7 34 1 20,59
Richard 56/57 8 37 21,62

Sid Abel 48/49 3 22 13,64

Lindsay 47/48 4 32 12,50


Edited - added season, missed it

 

[tinyzombies]

Sorry for the presentation, but I didn't find a way to insert table in more or less sutable format.
Here is a ratio between goals, scored by top goalscorer of a certain team to all goals scored by the team
I took all goalscorers since 46/47 who were top NHL goalscorers at least once.
First column is the season, second is goals of top-scorer, 3d - goals of the team, 4th is marked if he was #1 goalscorer in the NHL of the season, the last one - the ratio in %.
I think its very interesting.
TBO, for the whole picture, I should do the same for the whole #1 goalscorers of each team of each season, but it's, definitely, too much of a task for me

Ovi team %
07/08 65 238 1 27,31
13/14 51 225 1 22,67
05/06 52 230 22,61
14/15 53 237 1 22,36
12/13 32 146 1 21,92
08/09 56 268 1 20,90
19/20 48 236 1 20,34
15/16 50 248 1 20,16
06/07 46 234 19,66
17/18 49 256 1 19,14
18/19 51 274 1 18,61
21/22 50 270 18,52
11/12 38 218 17,43
22/23 42 253 16,6
09/10 50 313 15,97
10/11 32 219 14,61
20/21 24 188 12,77
16/17 33 261 12,64

cheechoo
05/06 56 265 1 21,13
06/07 37 256 14,45


Lecavalier
06/07 52 243 1 21,40
07/08 40 221 18,10
02/03 33 219 15,10
05/06 35 246 14,23

Crosby
09/10 51 249 1 20,48
05/06 39 243 16,05
16/17 44 278 1 15,83
15/16 36 241 14,94
13/14 36 242 14,88
10/11 32 228 14,03
06/07 36 267 13,48
20/21 24 193 12,44
14/15 28 217 12,9

Stamkos
11/12 60 232 1 25,86
09/10 51 213 1 23,94
12/13 29 147 19,73
10/11 45 241 18,62
14/15 43 259 16,60
15/16 36 224 16,07
21/22 42 285 14,74
18/19 45 319 14,11

Perry
10/11 50 235 1 21,28
11/12 37 201 18,41
13/14 43 263 16,35
15/16 34 220 15,45
07/08 29 197 14,72
14/15 33 228 14,47
08/09 32 238 13,45
12/13 15 134 11,19

Pastrnak
19/20 48 227 1 21,14
22/23 61 301 20,27
21/22 40 253 15,81
18/19 38 257 14,79
17/18 35 267 13,11

Matthews
20/21 41 186 1 22,04
19/20 47 237 19,83
21/22 60 312 1 19,23
16/17 40 250 16
22/23 40 278 14,39


McDavid
22/23 64 325 1 19,69
20/21 33 183 18,03
17/18 41 229 17,90
16/17 30 243 12,35


Kovi
07/08 52 207 25,12
03/04 41 214 1 19,16
04/05 52 276 18,84
10/11 31 171 18,13
08/09 43 250 17,2
11/12 37 216 17,13
01/02 29 187 15,51

Nash
03/04 41 177 1 23,16
07/08 38 190 20,00
08/09 40 220 18,18
14/15 42 248 16,94
12/13 21 126 16,67
09/10 33 214 15,42
10/11 32 210 15,23
11/12 30 198 15,15
05/06 31 215 14,42
06/07 27 196 13,78
13/14 26 214 12,15

Iginla
01/02 52 201 1 25,87
07/08 50 226 22,12
03/04 41 200 1 20,5
02/03 35 186 18,82
10/11 43 241 17,84
05/06 35 216 16,20
11/12 32 199 16,08
09/10 32 201 15,92
00/01 31 197 15,74
06/07 39 255 15,29
14/15 29 209 13,88
13/14 30 258 11,63

Hejduk
02/03 50 251 1 19,92
99/00 36 233 15,45
03/04 35 236 14,83
08/09 27 190 14,21
07/08 29 224 12,95


Bure
00/01 59 200 1 29,5
99/00 58 244 1 23,77
97/98 51 224 22,77
93/94 60 279 1 21,5
92/93 60 346 17,34
94/95 20 153 13,07
91/92 34 285 11,93

Selanne
97/98 52 205 1 25,37
92/93 76 322 1 23,6
98/99 47 215 1 21,86
96/97 51 245 20,82
06/07 48 254 18,90
05/06 40 251 15,94
02/03 28 214 13,08
01/02 29 248 11,69

Bondra
94/95 34 136 1 25
97/98 52 219 1 23,74
95/96 52 234 22,22
96/97 46 214 21,5
00/01 45 233 19,31
01/02 39 228 17,11
98/99 31 200 15,5
92/93 37 325 11,38

Tkachuk
96/97 52 240 1 21,67
95/96 50 275 18,18
97/98 40 224 17,86
98/99 36 205 17,56
03/04 33 191 17,28
01/02 38 227 16,74
93/94 41 245 16,73

Lemieux
88/89 85 347 1 24,5
87/88 70 319 1 21,94
95/96 69 362 1 19,06
92/93 69 367 18,8
86/87 54 297 18,18
96/97 50 285 17,54
84/85 43 276 15,58
85/86 48 313 15,34
02/03 28 189 14,81
89/90 45 318 14,15

Mogilny
92/93 76 335 1 22,69
95/96 55 278 19,78
00/01 43 295 14,58

Brett Hull
90/91 86 310 1 27,74
91/92 70 279 1 25,08
89/90 72 295 1 24,41
93/94 57 270 21,11
95/96 43 219 19,63
92/93 54 282 19,15
96/97 42 236 17,80
94/95 29 178 16,29
00/01 39 241 16,18
88/89 41 275 14,91
02/03 37 269 13,75

Gretzky
81/82 92 417 1 22,06
83/84 87 446 1 19,51
84/85 73 401 1 18,02
79/80 51 301 16,94
80/81 55 328 16,77
82/83 71 424 1 16,75
86/87 62 372 1 16,67

Kurri
85/86 68 426 1 15,96

Bossy
82/83 60 302 19,87
78/79 69 358 1 19,27
80/81 68 355 1 19,15
85/86 61 327 18,65
79/80 51 281 18,15
84/85 58 345 16,81
81/82 64 385 16,62
77/78 53 334 15,87
83/84 51 357 14,29

Gare
79/80 56 318 1 17,61
75/76 50 339 14,75
80/81 46 327 14,07

Simmer
79/80 56 290 1 19,31
83/84 44 309 14,24

Stoughton
81/82 52 264 1 19,70
79/80 56 303 18,48
82/83 45 261 17,24
80/81 43 292 14,73

Lafleur
77/78 60 359 1 16,71
76//76 56 337 16,62
78/79 52 337 15,43
79/80 50 328 15,24
74/75 53 374 14,17

Shutt
76/77 60 387 1 15,50
80/81 35 332 10,54

Leach
75/76 61 348 1 17,53
74/75 45 293 15,36
79/80 50 327 15,29

Esposito
71/72 66 330 1 20
73/74 68 349 1 19,48
70/71 76 399 1 19,04
74/75 61 345 1 17,68
72/73 55 330 1 16,67
68/69 49 303 16,17
69/70 43 277 1 15,52
67/68 35 259 13,51
78/79 42 316 13,29
76/77 34 272 12,5
79/80 34 308 11,04

Bobby Hull
61/62 50 217 1 23,04
65/66 54 240 1 22,5
67/68 44 212 1 20,75
68/69 58 280 1 20,71
59/60 39 191 1 20,42
63/64 43 218 1 19,72
66/67 52 264 1 19,7
71/72 50 256 19,53
64/65 39 224 17,41
62/63 31 194 15,98
70/71 44 277 15,88
60/61 31 198 15,66

Ullman
64/65 42 224 1 18,75
68/69 35 234 14,96
60/61 28 195 14,36

Howe
56/57 44 198 1 22,22
52/53 49 222 1 22,07
51/52 47 215 1 21,86
55/56 38 183 20,77
58/59 32 167 19,16
62/63 38 200 1 19,00
57/58 33 176 18,75
50/51 43 236 1 18,22
61/62 33 184 17,93
53/54 33 191 17,28
67/68 39 245 15,92
49/50 35 229 15,28
59/60 28 186 15,05
54/55 29 204 14,22
65/66 31 221 14,03
63/64 26 191 13,61

Geoffrion
60/61 50 254 1 19,68
54/55 38 228 1 16,67
51/52 30 195 15,38

Horvath
59/60 39 220 1 17,73
57/58 30 199 15,08

Bealiveau
55/56 47 222 1 21,17
58/59 45 258 1 17,44
56/57 33 210 15,71
63/64 28 209 13,40
59/60 34 255 13,33

Dickie Moore
57/58 36 250 1 14,4

Richard
49/50 43 172 1 25,00
50/51 42 173 24,28
46/47 45 189 1 23,81
53/54 37 195 1 18,97
52/53 28 155 18,06
54/55 38 228 1 16,67
56/57 33 210 15,71

Sid Abel
48/49 28 195 14,36

Lindsay
47/48 33 187 17,65


Table 2. All together

Bure 00/01 59 200 1 29,5
Brett Hull 90/91 86 310 1 27,74
Ovi 07/08 65 238 1 27,31
Iginla 01/02 52 201 1 25,87
Stamkos 11/12 60 232 1 25,86
Selanne 97/98 52 205 1 25,37
Kovi 07/08 52 207 25,12
Brett Hull 91/92 70 279 1 25,08
Bondra 94/95 34 136 1 25
Richard 49/50 43 172 1 25,00
Lemieux 88/89 85 347 1 24,5
Brett Hull 89/90 72 295 1 24,41
Richard 50/51 42 173 24,28
Stamkos 09/10 51 213 1 23,94
Richard 46/47 45 189 1 23,81
Bure 99/00 58 244 1 23,77
Bondra 97/98 52 219 1 23,74
Selanne 92/93 76 322 1 23,6
Nash 03/04 41 177 1 23,16
Bobby Hull 61/62 50 217 1 23,04
Bure 97/98 51 224 22,77
Mogilny 92/93 76 335 1 22,69
Ovi 13/14 51 225 1 22,67
Ovi 05/06 52 230 22,61
Bobby Hull 65/66 54 240 1 22,5
Ovi 14/15 53 237 1 22,36
Howe 56/57 44 198 1 22,22
Bondra 95/96 52 234 22,22
Iginla 07/08 50 226 22,12
Howe 52/53 49 222 1 22,07
Gretzky 81/82 92 417 1 22,06
Matthews 20/21 41 186 1 22,04
Lemieux 87/88 70 319 1 21,94
Ovi 12/13 32 146 1 21,92
Selanne 98/99 47 215 1 21,86
Howe 51/52 47 215 1 21,86
Tkachuk 96/97 52 240 1 21,67
Bondra 96/97 46 214 21,5
Bure 93/94 60 279 1 21,5
Lecavalier 06/07 52 243 1 21,40
Perry 10/11 50 235 1 21,28
Bealiveau 55/56 47 222 1 21,17
Pastrnak 19/20 48 227 1 21,14
cheechoo 05/06 56 265 1 21,13
Brett Hull 93/94 57 270 21,11
Ovi 08/09 56 268 1 20,90
Selanne 96/97 51 245 20,82
Howe 55/56 38 183 20,77
Bobby Hull 67/68 44 212 1 20,75
Bobby Hull 68/69 58 280 1 20,71
Iginla 03/04 41 200 1 20,5
Crosby 09/10 51 249 1 20,48
Bobby Hull 59/60 39 191 1 20,42
Ovi 19/20 48 236 1 20,34
Pastrnak 22/23 61 301 20,27
Ovi 15/16 50 248 1 20,16
Nash 07/08 38 190 20,00
Esposito 71/72 66 330 1 20
Hejduk 02/03 50 251 1 19,92
Bossy 82/83 60 302 19,87
Matthews 19/20 47 237 19,83
Mogilny 95/96 55 278 19,78
Stamkos 12/13 29 147 19,73
Bobby Hull 63/64 43 218 1 19,72
Stoughton 81/82 52 264 1 19,70
Bobby Hull 66/67 52 264 1 19,7
McDavid 22/23 64 325 1 19,69
Geoffrion 60/61 50 254 1 19,68
Ovi 06/07 46 234 19,66
Brett Hull 95/96 43 219 19,63
Bobby Hull 71/72 50 256 19,53
Gretzky 83/84 87 446 1 19,51
Esposito 73/74 68 349 1 19,48
Simmer 79/80 56 290 1 19,31
Bondra 00/01 45 233 19,31
Bossy 78/79 69 358 1 19,27
Matthews 21/22 60 312 1 19,23
Howe 58/59 32 167 19,16
Kovi 03/04 41 214 1 19,16
Bossy 80/81 68 355 1 19,15
Brett Hull 92/93 54 282 19,15
Ovi 17/18 49 256 1 19,14
Lemieux 95/96 69 362 1 19,06
Esposito 70/71 76 399 1 19,04
Howe 62/63 38 200 1 19,00
Richard 53/54 37 195 1 18,97
Selanne 06/07 48 254 18,90
Kovi 04/05 52 276 18,84
Iginla 02/03 35 186 18,82
Lemieux 92/93 69 367 18,8
Ullman 64/65 42 224 1 18,75
Howe 57/58 33 176 18,75
Bossy 85/86 61 327 18,65
Stamkos 10/11 45 241 18,62
Ovi 18/19 51 274 1 18,61
Ovi 21/22 50 270 18,52
Stoughton 79/80 56 303 18,48
Perry 11/12 37 201 18,41
Howe 50/51 43 236 1 18,22
Tkachuk 95/96 50 275 18,18
Nash 08/09 40 220 18,18
Lemieux 86/87 54 297 18,18
Bossy 79/80 51 281 18,15
Kovi 10/11 31 171 18,13
Lecavalier 07/08 40 221 18,10
Richard 52/53 28 155 18,06
McDavid 20/21 33 183 18,03
Gretzky 84/85 73 401 1 18,02
Howe 61/62 33 184 17,93
McDavid 17/18 41 229 17,90
Tkachuk 97/98 40 224 17,86
Iginla 10/11 43 241 17,84
Brett Hull 96/97 42 236 17,80
Horvath 59/60 39 220 1 17,73
Esposito 74/75 61 345 1 17,68
Lindsay 47/48 33 187 17,65
Gare 79/80 56 318 1 17,61
Tkachuk 98/99 36 205 17,56
Lemieux 96/97 50 285 17,54
Leach 75/76 61 348 1 17,53
Bealiveau 58/59 45 258 1 17,44
Ovi 11/12 38 218 17,43
Bobby Hull 64/65 39 224 17,41
Bure 92/93 60 346 17,34
Howe 53/54 33 191 17,28
Tkachuk 03/04 33 191 17,28
Stoughton 82/83 45 261 17,24
Kovi 08/09 43 250 17,2
Kovi 11/12 37 216 17,13
Bondra 01/02 39 228 17,11
Gretzky 79/80 51 301 16,94
Nash 14/15 42 248 16,94
Bossy 84/85 58 345 16,81
Gretzky 80/81 55 328 16,77
Gretzky 82/83 71 424 1 16,75
Tkachuk 01/02 38 227 16,74
Tkachuk 93/94 41 245 16,73
Lafleur 77/78 60 359 1 16,71
Nash 12/13 21 126 16,67
Gretzky 86/87 62 372 1 16,67
Geoffrion 54/55 38 228 1 16,67
Esposito 72/73 55 330 1 16,67
Richard 54/55 38 228 1 16,67
Bossy 81/82 64 385 16,62
Lafleur 76//76 56 337 16,62
Ovi 22/23 42 253 16,6
Stamkos 14/15 43 259 16,60
Perry 13/14 43 263 16,35
Brett Hull 94/95 29 178 16,29
Iginla 05/06 35 216 16,20
Brett Hull 00/01 39 241 16,18
Esposito 68/69 49 303 16,17
Iginla 11/12 32 199 16,08
Stamkos 15/16 36 224 16,07
Crosby 05/06 39 243 16,05
Matthews 16/17 40 250 16
Bobby Hull 62/63 31 194 15,98
Ovi 09/10 50 313 15,97
Kurri 85/86 68 426 1 15,96
Selanne 05/06 40 251 15,94
Iginla 09/10 32 201 15,92
Howe 67/68 39 245 15,92
Bobby Hull 70/71 44 277 15,88
Bossy 77/78 53 334 15,87
Crosby 16/17 44 278 1 15,83
Pastrnak 21/22 40 253 15,81
Iginla 00/01 31 197 15,74
Bealiveau 56/57 33 210 15,71
Richard 56/57 33 210 15,71
Bobby Hull 60/61 31 198 15,66
Lemieux 84/85 43 276 15,58
Esposito 69/70 43 277 1 15,52
Kovi 01/02 29 187 15,51
Shutt 76/77 60 387 1 15,50
Bondra 98/99 31 200 15,5
Perry 15/16 34 220 15,45
Hejduk 99/00 36 233 15,45
Lafleur 78/79 52 337 15,43
Nash 09/10 33 214 15,42
Geoffrion 51/52 30 195 15,38
Leach 74/75 45 293 15,36
Lemieux 85/86 48 313 15,34
Iginla 06/07 39 255 15,29
Leach 79/80 50 327 15,29
Howe 49/50 35 229 15,28
Lafleur 79/80 50 328 15,24
Nash 10/11 32 210 15,23
Nash 11/12 30 198 15,15
Lecavalier 02/03 33 219 15,10
Horvath 57/58 30 199 15,08
Howe 59/60 28 186 15,05
Ullman 68/69 35 234 14,96
Crosby 15/16 36 241 14,94
Brett Hull 88/89 41 275 14,91
Crosby 13/14 36 242 14,88
Hejduk 03/04 35 236 14,83
Lemieux 02/03 28 189 14,81
Pastrnak 18/19 38 257 14,79
Gare 75/76 50 339 14,75
Stamkos 21/22 42 285 14,74
Stoughton 80/81 43 292 14,73
Perry 07/08 29 197 14,72
Ovi 10/11 32 219 14,61
Mogilny 00/01 43 295 14,58
Perry 14/15 33 228 14,47
cheechoo 06/07 37 256 14,45
Nash 05/06 31 215 14,42
Dickie Moore 57/58 36 250 1 14,4
Matthews 22/23 40 278 14,39
Ullman 60/61 28 195 14,36
Sid Abel 48/49 28 195 14,36
Bossy 83/84 51 357 14,29
Simmer 83/84 44 309 14,24
Lecavalier 05/06 35 246 14,23
Howe 54/55 29 204 14,22
Hejduk 08/09 27 190 14,21
Lafleur 74/75 53 374 14,17
Lemieux 89/90 45 318 14,15
Stamkos 18/19 45 319 14,11
Gare 80/81 46 327 14,07
Crosby 10/11 32 228 14,03
Howe 65/66 31 221 14,03
Iginla 14/15 29 209 13,88
Nash 06/07 27 196 13,78
Brett Hull 02/03 37 269 13,75
Howe 63/64 26 191 13,61
Esposito 67/68 35 259 13,51
Crosby 06/07 36 267 13,48
Perry 08/09 32 238 13,45
Bealiveau 63/64 28 209 13,40
Bealiveau 59/60 34 255 13,33
Esposito 78/79 42 316 13,29
Pastrnak 17/18 35 267 13,11
Selanne 02/03 28 214 13,08
Bure 94/95 20 153 13,07
Hejduk 07/08 29 224 12,95
Crosby 14/15 28 217 12,9
Ovi 20/21 24 188 12,77
Ovi 16/17 33 261 12,64
Esposito 76/77 34 272 12,5
Crosby 20/21 24 193 12,44
McDavid 16/17 30 243 12,35
Nash 13/14 26 214 12,15
Bure 91/92 34 285 11,93
Selanne 01/02 29 248 11,69
Iginla 13/14 30 258 11,63
Bondra 92/93 37 325 11,38
Perry 12/13 15 134 11,19
Esposito 79/80 34 308 11,04
Shutt 80/81 35 332 10,54

Average ratio 17,65 %
Table 3. Amount of seasons with ratio more than average.

Ovi 12
Howe 9
Bobby Hull 8
Brett Hull 7
Selanne 5
Bossy 5
Lemieux 5
Bondra 5
Iginla 5
Richard 5
Kovi 4
Esposito 4
Bure 4
Stamkos 4
Nash 3
Gretzky 3
Tkachuk 3
Mattheys 3
McDavid 3
Pastrnak 2
Mogilny 2
Perry 2
Stoughton 2
Lecavalier 2
Horvath 1
Cheechoo 1
Geoffrion 1
Bealiveau 1
Ullman 1
Simmer 1
Hejduk 1
Crosby 1
Leach 0
Shutt 0
Lafleur 0
Gare 0
Kurri 0
Moore 0
Abel 0
Lindsay 0

Now do it by /per games played. Bure get even more insane.

 

[Namba 17]

Now do it by /per games played. Bure get even more insane.

I'm not sure what we will see from per game basis

 

[Namba 17]

Average playoff ratio 16,11%

Amount of seasons with ratio more than average for each player of the list:

Ovi 11
Brett Hull 8
Bobby Hull 8
Bossy 6
Iginla 5
Howe 5
Gretzky 4
Richard 4
Esposito 3
Bealiveau 3
Bure 3
Selanne 3
Bondra 3
Tkachuk 3
Lemieux 3
Matthews 2
Ullman 2
Perry 2
Lafleur 2
Lecavalier 1
Simmer 1
Shutt 1
Leach 1
Geoffrion 1
Gare 1
Mogilny 1
Hejduk 1
McDavid 1
Pastrnak 1
Stamkos 1
Kurri 0
Nash 0
Kovi 0
Crosby 0
Dickie Moor 0
Cheechoo 0
Lindsay 0
Abel 0

 

[Namba 17]

Player / RS average ratio / PO average ratio
By RS:

Richard 19,97 23,42
Brett Hull 19,97 21,45
Bure 19,76 17,07
Bobby Hull 19,31 20,64
Mogilny 19,16 11,11
Ovi 19,05 18,56
Selanne 18,99 19,08
Bondra 18,78 13,28
Kovi 18,74 13,56
Stamkos 18,28 12,56
Gretzky 18,26 14,42
Lemieux 18,26 20,86
Matthews 18,05 15,84
Tkachuk 18,05 17,02
cheechoo 17,85 12,96
Howe 17,8 16,11
Lindsay 17,65 12,50
Bossy 17,58 16,77
Stoughton 17,5
Geoffrion 17,43 18,31
Iginla 17,34 21,8
Lecavalier 17,22 18
Pastrnak 17,01 13,27
Simmer 16,69 20
Horvath 16,47 11,9
Nash 16,35 7,04
McDavid 16,33 15,91
Bealiveau 16,2 20,49
Esposito 16,14 16,15
Leach 16,12 18,75
Ullman 16,08 13,73
Kurri 15,96 4,88
Perry 15,91 13,07
Lafleur 15,62 16,6
Hejduk 15,61 13,39
Gare 15,45 11,65
Crosby 15,11 10,34
Dickie Moore 14,4 11,42
Sid Abel 14,36 13,64
Shutt 13,21 16,67

Player / RS average ratio / PO average ratio
By PO:

Richard 19,97 23,42
Iginla 17,34 21,8
Brett Hull 19,97 21,45
Lemieux 18,26 20,86
Bobby Hull 19,31 20,64
Bealiveau 16,2 20,49
Simmer 16,69 20
Selanne 18,99 19,08
Leach 16,12 18,75
Ovi 19,05 18,56
Geoffrion 17,43 18,31
Lecavalier 17,22 18
Bure 19,76 17,07
Tkachuk 18,05 17,02
Bossy 17,58 16,77
Shutt 13,21 16,67
Lafleur 15,62 16,6
Esposito 16,14 16,15
Howe 17,8 16,11
McDavid 16,33 15,91
Matthews 18,05 15,84
Gretzky 18,26 14,42
Ullman 16,08 13,73
Sid Abel 14,36 13,64
Kovi 18,74 13,56
Hejduk 15,61 13,39
Bondra 18,78 13,28
Pastrnak 17,01 13,27
Perry 15,91 13,07
cheechoo 17,85 12,96
Stamkos 18,28 12,56
Lindsay 17,65 12,50
Horvath 16,47 11,9
Gare 15,45 11,65
Dickie Moore 14,4 11,42
Mogilny 19,16 11,11
Crosby 15,11 10,34
Nash 16,35 7,04
Kurri 15,96 4,88
Stoughton 17,5

 

[FinLurker]

This methodology gives advantage for pure goalscorers. You have to at least deduct players own assists from team goal totals. Pavel Bure had 33 and 36 assists, when Gretzky had 118+ depending on the season. So Gretzky himself lowered his percentage quite much compared to Bure.

 

[Namba 17]

This methodology gives advantage for pure goalscorers. You have to at least deduct players own assists from team goal totals. Pavel Bure had 33 and 36 assists, when Gretzky had 118+ depending on the season. So Gretzky himself lowered his percentage quite much compared to Bure.

advantage in what exactly?

 

[FinLurker]

advantage in what exactly?

You can't at the same time make a goal and also assist it.

 

[Namba 17]

You can't at the same time make a goal and also assist it.

I still don't see any advantages, but ok.

 

[MadLuke]

I still don't see any advantages, but ok.

Seem obvious, someone that add teams goals not scoring them by themselve automatically lower their percentage....

But advantage assume here, that is good for the number to be high (as if it told us more about themselve than how many goal they scored)

 

[Namba 17]

someone that add teams goals not scoring them by themselve

Explain, please.
Im dumb

 

[MadLuke]

Explain, please.
Im dumb

Say I am a 50 goals scorer and 30 assists guy that do not add goals to my teams outside those a score very much and the team end up scoring 200 goals, I scored 25% of the goals.

If I am a 50 goals scorer that make Zach Hyman get close to 60 goals and because of me the same team end up scoring 235 goals instead of 200 then I scored only 21.3% of the goals.

Obviously the better you are at generating goals without being the one scoring them the more you directly deflate the goal scored / team goal scored.

 

[Namba 17]

Say I am a 50 goals scorer and 30 assists guy that do not add goals to my teams outside those a score very much and the team end up scoring 200 goals, I scored 25% of the goals.

If I am a 50 goals scorer that make Zach Hyman get close to 60 goals and because of me the same team end up scoring 235 goals instead of 200 then I scored only 21.3% of the goals.

Obviously the better you are at generating goals without being the one scoring them the more you directly deflate the goal scored / team goal scored.

1. Yes in a thread dedicated to goalscoring the better goalscorers have an advantage. Surprise, surprise!
2. "do not add goals to my teams outside those" - this is a long and fruitless discussion about who influenced what the most. How about defence? How about fighters? No. This is just data thread. Why the particular data is what it is is another question. People always want to have one number that explains everything. No. Doesn't exist.
3. "If I am a 50 goals scorer that make Zach Hyman get close to 60 goals and because of me the same team end up scoring 235 goals instead of 200 then I scored only 21.3% of the goals". Your "only" is significantly higher than average. Also, if you have people with 50 and 60 goals in one team it usually means that their ratio is lower than players who are high in the list.
It seems. though, that people simply don't understand what these numbers are about.
As usuall, though.

 

[MadLuke]

1. Yes in a thread dedicated to goalscoring the better goalscorers have an advantage. Surprise, surprise!

In both example both are scoring 50 goals, why do you say one is a better goalscorer than the other and why would it be the one with fewer assists ?

It seems. though, that people simply don't understand what these numbers are about.

I think they are in large part about how good the teams of good goalscorer were and how good the goalscorer were, I think they fully grasp that it hurt people that made their teams better at scoring in a very direct and very obvious way.

How about defence? How about fighters?

Here it is more still about goalscoring, i.e. did Gretzky deflated his 92 goals seasons with his 120 assists were those Gretzkyless Oilers a 300 goals teams instead of a 417 one ?

 

[FinLurker]

In both example both are scoring 50 goals, why do you say one is a better goalscorer than the other and why would it be the one with fewer assists ?


I think they are in large part about how good the teams of good goalscorer were and how good the goalscorer were, I think they fully grasp that it hurt people that made their teams better at scoring in a very direct and very obvious way.



Here it is more still about goalscoring, i.e. did Gretzky deflated his 92 goals seasons with his 120 assists were those Gretzkyless Oilers a 300 goals teams instead of a 417 one ?

Yes. This was my train of thought. Gretzky's 120 assists are pretty significant amount of those 417 team goals (28.7%). When you remove those 120 assists he is already directly involved, there is only 297 goals as a divider. 92/297 is 0.31%.

Whereas 2000-2001 Panthers scored 200 goals. When you remove Bure's 33 assists, it's 167 team goals as a divider. 59/167 is 0.35%, which is still more, but to me it still tells more about the level of team mates Bure had than pure goalscoring. Those Florida teams had only one goalscoring threat and this methodology emphasizes that. For example Teemu Selanne's best season at the list is when Kariya was holding out and he was the only goal scoring threat.

 

[Namba 17]

In both example both are scoring 50 goals, why do you say one is a better goalscorer than the other and why would it be the one with fewer assists ?

I didn't tell about your example that one is better than another. I mean abstract player who didnt make the list, but had many assists. I thought that you told about smth like that.
It seems, that you look at some particular player and desagree with some ratio, connected with him. If you want to suggest some explanation of some player its fine. Just say that you want to explain why ratio of player A is lower than you think it should be.

I think they are in large part about how good the teams of good goalscorer were and how good the goalscorer were, I think they fully grasp that it hurt people that made their teams better at scoring in a very direct and very obvious way.

Ok.
If so, what team is better - with low ratio of its best goalscorer or with high?

Here it is more still about goalscoring, i.e. did Gretzky deflated his 92 goals seasons with his 120 assists were those Gretzkyless Oilers a 300 goals teams instead of a 417 one ?

Ah. Finally. Youre talking about Gretzky' particular season.
So, Gretzky deflated his season with 120 assists, but Lemieux with his 114 (88/89) somehow didn't?