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Also I think about 5 players could be ahead of owen nolan on the OP's list. In 1990 teams could have had Jagr, or Broudeur. Pretty bad choice in retrospect.
Also I think about 5 players could be ahead of owen nolan on the OP's list. In 1990 teams could have had Jagr, or Broudeur. Pretty bad choice in retrospect.
For the active ones, let's assume their careers ended now.
I'd take the following in the All-Time Draft, in the following order:
1) Mario Lemieux - Magnificent.
2) Sidney Crosby - Amazing that he's already the clear #2 here.
3) Alex Ovechkin - Ditto for #3.
4) Eric Lindros - Best peak, absolutely dominant.
5) Joe Thornton - impossible to ignore all the assist titles and linemate elevation.
6)Mike Modano - two-way phenom.
7)Dale Hawerchuk - underappreciated offensive star,
8)Mats Sundin - see above
9) Vincent Lecavalier - more talented than 6-8, but inconsistent.
10) Ilya Kovalchuk - crazy good goalscorer, little else
11) Pierre Turgeon - phenomenal compiler
12) Rick Nash - great peak goalscorer who is now starting to build career value
13) Owen Nolan - at his best, a wrecking ball
14) Wendel Clark - ditto, even more talented, far less career value, very good at what he was good at, very bad at what he was bad at.
I'd take the following in the MLD, in the following order:
15) Ed Jovanovski - earned serious norris consideration at his best, now more solid than ever.
16) Roman Hamrlik - a career #2 defenseman, that is impressive.
17) Patrick Kane - 3-year career, but is a 2nd team all-star and has a career low of 70 points
18) Steven Stamkos - a goal title and on his way to a runner-up too.
I'd take the following in the AAA draft, in the following order:
19) Chris Phillips - shutdown ace
20) Marc- Andre Fleury - very inconsistent, his cup win overrates him but he's been mostly above average
I'd take the following in the AA draft, in the following order:
21) Joe Murphy - good scorer, little else
22) Bryan Berard - unreal offensive instincts, possibly worst defensive defenseman of this generation, particularly after injury
I wouldn't consider these players significant all-time, but if I had to rank them, it would be as follows:
23) Erik Johnson - He's been very good in a short career.
24) Rick Dipietro - He's been very good... in the 2nd half of his short career... when healthy.
25) Gord Kluzak - He's better than his career. Just wrecked by injuries.
26) John Tavares - a very good rookie season, at least.
27) Taylor Hall - I'll take his half season and future uncertainty over the pure mediocrity below.
28) Patrik Stefan - at least had some value as a penalty killer.
29) Brian Lawton - Mediocre at best.
30) Alexander Daigle - inconsistent at the only thing he did well - put up points. Soft, brutal defensively, lacksadaisical, mostly disinterested in hockey.
The ultimate goal when drafting a player first overall is to one day win the Stanley Cup with that player, It's amazing how few times this has worked out. Mario, Vinny, Kane, Fleury, Crosby and Modano are the only ones in the last 30 picks which is a 20% success rate.
I would definately put Lafleur and Potvin ahead of Crosby and Ovechki for now , but I'm wonderign where Perreault woudl be if we listed them all.
I suppose to determine if that's really a poor success rate, you'd need to do the exact same thing with the last 30 #2, 3, 4, and 5 picks. If their success rates are all in the 10-15% range then what does that tell you?
You could also add Nolan and Lindros. They didn't win Cups but were directly traded by their teams for players who would go on to.The ultimate goal when drafting a player first overall is to one day win the Stanley Cup with that player, It's amazing how few times this has worked out. Mario, Vinny, Kane, Fleury, Crosby and Modano are the only ones in the last 30 picks which is a 20% success rate.
Just quickly off the top of my head without checking a list, it seems like there's a lot of #2 picks who won Cups, though almost never with the team that drafted them: Walter, Muller, Simpson, Shanahan, Pronger, Bellows.seventieslord said:I suppose to determine if that's really a poor success rate, you'd need to do the exact same thing with the last 30 #2, 3, 4, and 5 picks. If their success rates are all in the 10-15% range then what does that tell you?