Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by WinterLion, Mar 13, 2018.
25? Got a list?
Bernhardt, Lyksell, Sushko and Bunnaman
this is from appleyard
I would also add,
top 11 i realistically see being NHL'ers. Then i think it's a big drop off. I'd probably put Sushko somewhere in the top 15-17 despite his stats
This list doesn't even include Goulbourne who has played 9 games for us this year. Aube Kubel will most likely be on the roster next year. Carsen Twarynski is going to put up 40 goals in the whl, Stolarz when healthy is our most athletic goalie. Strome is the big what if, if he can be an average skater he will be in the nhl. Ratcliffe a 40 goal scoring 2nd round draft pick is our 10th best prospect. that is the type of depth we have.
I'm aware, hence why i think your top11 are pretty realistic bets. Which is very very good. I'm aware of ratcliffe and like him a lot. A lot of finesse for a 6'5 guy. nice hands.
I just think after lacyzynski it's a drop off in terms of NHL talent after him. That doesn't mean nobody else makes it.
We did just that for prospects playing in Europe inside our last release.
Pittsburgh doesn't have much in the way of high end talent. Just Sprong and maybe Bellivere. They have done well in producing what they need in depth forwards, and have drafted well out of NCAA. No one ever really talked about guys like Rust or Guentzel, but they could have similar players in the pipeline in Dipauli, Lafferty, Bluegars, Angello. Not high end guys, but hopefully the right guys. Support players for the core. They haven't really had a high end forward prospect since Staal with the next best being Guentzel or maybe Kapanen.
They are quite bare in regards to defenseman.
They are definitely in the bottom half of the league all things considered.
When you consider the guys drafted the last 3 or 4 years, and not considered prospects, the young talent in the Flyers pipeline is pretty impressive:
With the graduations of Kapanen and Dermott, the Leafs are no longer in the top-15. I'd say not even top-20 anymore.
If we're talking u-23 though, we're in the conversation for 1st with pretty much only the Jets.
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10. Eriksson Ek
11-15 (no particular order): Fiore, Roy, Morand, Badini, Blandisi
There's a couple good prospects here but overall just a whole lot of "what-ifs", wild-cards, and guys nearing the age of 25. Depth starts dropping off after #5, but there are some players below that mark that can start making moves up the list.
Probably a late-teens, early-twenties group as far as rankings go. Depends on how our wild-cards turn out. Guys like Badini, Fiore, and Eriksson Ek are the main ones to look out for. Morand, too.
I’d agree. This upcoming draft it is pivotal to get some game breakers.
I think Philly's system has a lot more quantity than quality. WHich isn't to say they don't have quality prospects, but as of right now they don't really seem to have just one guy who looks like he could be a bonafide stud, outside of Carter Hart but goalies are just such a dart board that he's certainly no sure thing.
Morgan Frost, Wade Allison, Isaac Ratcliffe, and German Rubtsov all look like they can be effective middle six players, some with more upside than others.
Mikhail Vorobyev, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Tanner Laczynski, and Cooper Marody are pretty good sleeper prospects who could make our bottom 6 actually sonewhat of a threat to score.
Sanheim and Myers both still look promising on defense, if Sanheim still counts as a prospect. Killed it in the AHL but the bounces haven't found their way to the NHL, which isn't really indicative of how he's played, he's just been very snake-bitten. That being said there is still possibility that he could be one of those AHL juggernauts who couldn't quite make it in the NHL, but I think he'll be very good.
I haven't watched much of Myers in the AHL this year but from all reports he has been solid, if unspectacular. If all pans out well he could be the steady defensive lookout for Sanheim and his offensive game.
Im still leaving out Nolan Patrick, who got off to a slow start but is now showing that he could be a really good #2 Center and if he keeps improving, maybe even a #1C. But I can definitely see why fans think guys like Petersson and Mittlestadt have higher ceilings, both look much more explosive and better stickhandlers than Patrick.
I'm guessing Montreal is probably out of the top 20 at this point. Our main prospects are:
Jake Evans - if he signs, looks like a solid two-way guy, perhaps 35-40 pts potential. MTL doesn't have much going on at center so he could be slotted higher on the depth chart.
Nikita Scherbak - showing good signs at the NHL level, but still a lot to work on. Offensive instincts are there, but don't think he ever becomes a top-end scorer. More like a 2nd line offensive wing, 45-50 points potential.
Will Bitten - seems like he's having a good junior career, may end up similar to Gallagher i.e. smallish winger with a big motor who can contribute offensively. Will likely need some seasoning in AHL.
Noah Juulsen - has been great in the NHL, looks like a lock for the team next season. Has all the tools; size, mobility, physical abilities, even some offensive skills. Defensive play not on point yet for NHL but will come around.
Ryan Poehling - doing well in College, potential seems to be a decent 2C with two-way abilities. Much like Evans, but higher ceiling.
Joni Ikonen - boom or bust prospect but solid offensive skills and skating. Wildcard. Couple of years away for sure. Would be nice to see him in Laval soon.
Michael McCarron - seems like he'll never be more than a bottom-6 guy, but I feel like he can still contribute kind of like Brian Boyle. He may be a late bloomer. Has some skills but skating and timing still needs work.
Cayden Primeau - the goalie is doing very well this season but MTL is stacked in goals with Price signed long term and Lindgren as the backup next season, with McNiven/Fucale developping in Laval. Fucale has had the best year of the 3 so far. McNiven a bit of a letdown for me.
If we're stricly looking at young roster players + prospects Montreal has some nice depth but lacks top-end talent, although guys like Drouin, Galchenyuk, Mete, Juulsen, Scherbak, Poehling and Lehkonen have relatively high ceilings. Defense is lacking in terms of quality prospects.
Centers - Drouin, Poehling, Evans, Danault, DeLaRose, McCarron
Wingers - Lehkonen, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Scherbak, Hudon, Bitten, Ikonen
Defense: Mete, Juulsen, Reilly, Lernout, Valiev
Goalies: Lindgren, McNiven, Primeau, Fucale
For the Jets it'd probably be. .
1. Kristian Vesalainen
2. Sami Niku
3. Tucker Poolman
4. Mason Appleton
5. Dylan Samberg
6. Eric Comrie
7. Michael Spacek
8. Mikhail Berdin
9. Logan Stanley
10. Luke Green
Or. . Something like that. Top 4 are easy, might not be in the same order for everyone. After that it's anyones guess. Decent pool considering the young guys we have on the team. No longer top 5 or probably 10 anymore though.
Didn't count Roslovic or Petan (or Connor obviously)
Edit : forgot Lemieux. He'd be just behind Samberg for me.
Some scary names made that top list: 7th rounder in this draft, a 24 yrs old guy picked up at tdl for a 5th, an echler, McCarron probably not resigned considering he is trending down in the Ahl, undrafted guys.
Putting Danault (25), Galchenyuk (24) and Gallagher (25) in a top prospect or U23 list?
Even 20th is a reach imho.
If you compare it by draft year (including 1st rounders), and factor in league, the list becomes smaller:
PLAYER/LEAGUE/POINTS PER GAME/PRIMARY POINTS PER GAME
Kole Lind/WHL/1.62 ppg/ 1.45 primary ppg
Gabe Vilardi /OHL/1.83/ 1.38
Morgan Frost/OHL/1.67/ 1.33
Nick Suzuki/OHL /1.52/1.15
*Didn't include Steenbergen nor Batherson because technically they are playing in their D+2 season (were eligible for 2016 draft).
Looking at that list, Kole Lind comes in 4th in ppg and 2nd in primary ppg when compared to other CHLers playing in their D+1 season. Across all three leagues, he's ranked 4th in primary ppg. Production wise, Kole Lind is definitely above his class for forwards. Lots of teams have great prospects in the CHL, but not many of those prospects are as good as Lind.
Goalies are already too volatile as prospects, and what does that make Shesterkin, Samsonov, Demko? Way too volatile and too much debate to put any goalie in the top 20 really "easily". But if it were up to me, only the two Russians could make a decent case to be in it.
1. Hart- Best goalie in CHL
2. Myers- former PPG in QMJHL
3. Frost- tied for 1st in OHL scoring
4. Lindblom- 4th in SHL scoring last year
5. Rubtsov- WJC player, disappointing yeR being just under a PPG
6. Allison- was top 3 in NCAA scoring before getting injured for the season
7. Morin- the beast
8. Sandstrom- WJC Goalie of the tourney last year
9. Vorobyev- top WJC scorer
10. Ratcliffe- 39 goals and PPG this year
11. Laczynski- WJC player...top 16 in NCAA scoring
12. Friedman- AHL rookie
13. Aube-Kubel- was keDing AHL in ES scoring a week ago, not sure now
14. Hogberg- SHL top 4 Dman
15. Strome- over a PPG in OHL
16. Kase- leads SHL team in points
17. Marody- 9th in NCAA scoring
18. Stolarz- lost season due to injury
19. Vecchione- not sure he will be anything more than a 4th liner
20. Ustemiko- one of the top goalies in MHL
Bernhardt- SHL Dman
Lyksell- SHL rookie at age 18
Sushko- almost a PPG IN OHL, had great WJC
Bunnaman- did not improve over last season
Carsen Twarynski- 43 goals and over a PPG in WHL
Cates- almost a PPG in USHL
Laberge- finally seems like he is getting his game together after serious concussion
I might as well add info to it.
Given that Patrick, Sanheim, Hagg and Leier all graduated to the NHL this year along with Laughton, that is a deep list with lots of upside. The Flyers don't have room for them all. Especially considering we will be likely adding 2 more 1st rounders at the draft and at this rate, they could both be top 16 picks.
Trust me when I say that trying to argue anything positive relating to the Blues with that guy is like trying to convince the general public that Hitler was an okay dude.
He has such a childish bias against the Blues, so I wouldn't recommend following up with a response to him.
No kidding. As a Canucks fan, he's kind of embarrassing...
It's more comical at this point.
Colorado's U23 would include Nathan MacKinnon, Mikko Rantanen, Nikita Zadorov, Tyson Jost, JT Compher and Sam Girard so I think they'd be up there.
Lool, our fanbases should get together and compare notes.