Rank top 30 players of all time!! (15 forwards, 10 defenseman, 5 goalies)

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  1. KOVALEV10*

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    Here are mine:

    Forwards: (15)
    1-Mario Lemieux
    2-Wayne Gretzky
    3-Rocket Richard
    4-Guy Lafleur
    5-Gordie Howe
    6-Jean Beliveau
    7-Mike Bossy
    8-Marcel Dionne
    9-Bobby Hull
    10-Frank Mahovlich
    11-Mark Messier
    12-Pavel Buré
    13-Bob Gainey
    14-Ted Lindsay
    15-Yvan Cournoyer

    Defenseman: (10)

    1- Bobby Orr
    2- Doug Harvey
    3- Paul Coffee
    4- Larry Robinson
    5- Ray Bouque
    6- Denis Potvin
    7- Serge Savard
    8- Guy Lapointe
    9- Marcel Pronovost
    10-Al Maccinis

    Goalies: (5)

    1- Jacques Plante
    2- Patrick Roy
    3- Terry Sawchuck
    4- Dominik Hasek
    5- Glen Hall
     
  2. silver_made*

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    prepare yourself; you have been warned
     
  3. BM67

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    None of those guys should be on your list.


    Forwards: (15)
    1- Wayne Gretzky
    2- Gordie Howe
    3- Mario Lemieux
    4- Rocket Richard
    5- Jean Beliveau
    6- Bobby Hull
    7- Mark Messier
    8- Guy Lafleur
    9- Stan Mikita
    10- Phil Esposito
    11- Howie Morenz
    12- Mike Bossy
    13- Bobby Clarke
    14- Ted Lindsay
    15- Bryan Trottier

    Defenseman: (10)

    1- Bobby Orr
    2- Doug Harvey
    3- Ray Bourque
    4- Eddie Shore
    5- Larry Robinson
    6- Denis Potvin
    7- Red Kelly
    8- Paul Coffey
    9- Chris Chelios
    10- Dit Clapper

    Goalies: (5)

    1- Jacques Plante
    2- Patrick Roy
    3- Terry Sawchuck
    4- Dominik Hasek
    5- Glen Hall

    Of course that's an NHL list. A true all-time list would be different with the addition of Fetisov, Makarov, Lalonde and others.
     
  4. CH

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    I like lists

    1 Wayne Gretzky
    2 Mario Lemieux
    3 Gordie Howe
    4 Jean Beliveau
    5 Maurice Richard
    6 Bobby Hull
    7 Ted Lindsay
    8 Stan Mikita
    9 Mark Messier
    10 Howie Morenz
    11 Steve Yzerman
    12 Brett Hull
    13 Guy Lafleur
    14 Mike Bossy
    15 Phil Esposito

    1 Bobby Orr
    2 Ray Bourque
    3 Doug Harvey
    4 Eddie Shore
    5 Larry Robinson
    6 Denis Potvin
    7 Paul Coffey
    8 Pierre Pilotte
    9 Dit Clapper
    10 Nicklas Lidstrom

    1 Terry Sawchuck
    2 Patrick Roy
    3 Jacques Plante
    4 Dominek Hasek
    5 Glenn Hall
     
  5. Here is the team I would want to go to war with, just from my hockey watching generation:

    1. Patrick Roy
    2. Billy Smith

    1. Bobby Orr
    2. Larry Robinson (IMO the 2nd best all time)
    3. Denis Potvin
    4. Borje Salming
    5. Brad Park
    6. Ray Bourque
    7. Paul Coffey (dressed as a 7th d and PP specialist)

    I'd pair Orr with Salming; Robinson and Potvin would play with the first line just to provide a steady presence as well as two guys who move the puck out of their own end well; Bourque and Park reunion as the 3rd pair. Coffey would play with Orr on the first PP (we proably don't have to use a 2nd with Gretzky, Lemieux and Bossy up front)

    1. Gretzky
    1. Lemieux
    1. Hawerchuk
    2. Lafleur
    2. Sittler
    2. McDonald
    3. Gainey
    3. Goring
    3. Yzerman
    4. Beliveau (cripes he retired a year before I was born but i couldn't leave him off)
    4. Bossy (PP Specialist)

    My 3rd line of Yzerman Goring and Gainey would absolutely smother the opposition. Gretzky with Lemieux and Hawerchuk.... It worked before! Sittler McDonald and Lafleur would be a great combination of speed, skill, and 2/3 grit)
    Bossy is around for the PP
     
  6. John Flyers Fan

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    Hawerchuk didn't play with Gretzky and Lemieux much at all during the 87 Canada Cup. He was out to take that face-off, where they went down and scored the game winner, but he was usually playing on the 3rd line.

    Gretzky and Lemieux usually had either Bryan Propp or Rick Tocchet riding shot gun.
     
  7. John Flyers Fan

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    My list, didn't break it down by position:

    My criteria - essential cutoff is players that I've watched them play their best years approx. 1980 on.

    None of the stars of the Habs Cup wins during the late 70's are included. The stars of the Isles dynasty are included. Most borderline player to make the list, Marcel Dionne.

    Next, if a player is currently active I do not try and project the future. For the purposes of this list their careers have ended tonight.

    Durability is a factor; therefore I asked myself questions such as: Would I rather have had 580 games of Peter Forsberg or 1,600 games of Larry Murphy ???

    Therefore this is not a "Who was best in his prime?" list.

    As you'll see very few wingers on my list. IMO the least important position on a hockey team, therefore the least represented on my list. I thought of who would I want to build a team around.

    One other point, that I forgot to make. This list only considers playing careers in the NHL, as well as major international best-on-best tournaments. Therefore no Fetisov, Makarov etc. who certainly were good enough to place highly on this list


    Enough with the criteria and such, now onto the list:

    1. Gretzky
    2. Lemieux
    3. Bourque
    4. Roy
    5. Yzerman
    6. Messier
    7. Potvin
    8. Hasek
    9. Bossy
    10. Trottier
    11. Coffey
    12. Sakic
    13. Jagr
    14. MacInnis
    15. Chelios
    16. Stevens
    17. Hull
    18. Stastny
    19. Hawerchuk
    20. Brodeur
    21. Kurri
    22. Lidstrom
    23. Fuhr
    24. Smith
    25. Leetch
    26. Francis
    27. Sundin
    28. Fedorov
    29. Dionne
    30. Howe
    31. Belfour
    32. Gilmour
    33. Oates
    34. Murphy
    35. Shanahan
    36. Robitaille
    37. Langway
    38. Forsberg
    39. Pronger
    40. Recchi
    41. Niedermayer
    42. Blake
    43. Barasso
    44. Richter
    45. Roenick
    46. Modano
    47. Lindros
    48. Gartner
    49. Nieuwendyk
    50. Lafontaine
     
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    Goalies:
    1. Terry Sawchuk
    2. Patrick Roy
    3. Jacques Plante
    4. Glenn Hall
    5. Ken Dryden(biased towards Hasek, that's probably only reason he isn't there)

    Defencemen:
    1. Bobby Orr
    2. Doug Harvey
    3. Eddie Shore
    4. Ray Bourque
    5. Denis Potvin
    6. Larry Robinson
    7. Red Kelly
    8. Paul Coffey
    9. Dit Clapper
    10. Nicklas Lidstrom

    Forwards:
    1. Wayne Gretzky
    2. Mario Lemieux
    3. Gordie Howe
    4. Maurice Richard
    5. Jean Beliveau
    6. Bobby Hull
    7. Guy Lafleur
    8. Mark Messier
    9. Howie Morenz
    10. Phil Esposito
    11. Stan Mikita
    12. Mike Bossy
    13. Jaromir Jagr
    14. Ted Lindsay
    15. Bobby Clarke
     
  9. Ajacied

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    Why the large difference between Sundin and Modano?
     
  10. John Flyers Fan

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    The difference from 26-50 is minimal for all players.

    Personal preference on my part for Sundin over Modano. Also I put this list together in the Spring, and with Modano coming off a very poor year and playoffs, I probably dropped him a bit below where he should have.
     
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    Forwards:
    [1.]Lemieux
    [2.]Gretzky
    [3.]Richard
    [4.]Howe
    [5.]Beliveau
    [6.]Bossy
    [7.]Hull
    [8.]Trottier
    [9.]Lafluer
    [10.]Messier
    [11.]Mahovlich
    [12.]Schmidt
    [13.]Mikita
    [14.]Dionne
    [15.]Lalonde

    Defense: [1.]Orr- IMO #1 overall
    [2.]Potvin
    [3.]Harvey
    [4.]Bourque
    [5.]Shore
    [6.]Kelly
    [7.]Robinson
    [8.]Coffey
    [9.]Park
    [10]MacInnis

    Goalies:
    [1.]Roy
    [2.]Sawchuk
    [3.]Hall
    [4.]Plante
    [5.]Hasek
     
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    I'm honestly suprised Brodeur is on nobody's list.

    Yes, he may be playing in an extremely defensive era, but he still consistently puts up better numbers than all other NHL goalies year after year, and does it without the gargantuan pads.
     
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    I was so close to putting him on and IMO its kind of a toss up with Hasek. He has that "product of his team" thing going on but so did Plante, Dryden and alot of the great all time goalies. If he had won consecutive championships then I would have bumped him up a notch or two but for right now I'll put him at 5B to Haseks 5A.
     
  14. Pierre McGuire's top D list was featured tonight on TSN:

    Orr
    Harvey
    Shore
    Potvin
    Robinson
    Bourque

    Similar to my historical list (not the who i saw list). I liked Robinson slightly better than Potvin.
    He also said that Fetisov would be considered in the group with Robinson, Bourque, and Potvin if he had played his whole career on this side of the pond.
     
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    I'm a die-hard Bruins fan, but I can't consider Bourque a top 5 D-Man all time
    He was great for a long time, top 15 I'll understand, but he can't be anywhere near orr or Eddie Shore
     
  16. Jag68Sid87

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    I'll do 30 players that I've actually seen, so no Howie Morenz, Eddie Shore or Georges Vezina on my list:

    Forwards

    W. Gretzky
    M. Lemieux
    G. Lafleur
    M. Dionne
    S. Yzerman
    G. Howe
    M. Messier
    M. Bossy
    V. Kharlamov
    B. Trottier
    G. Perreault
    P. Stastny
    J. Kurri
    J. Jagr
    B. Hull

    Honorable Mentions: I. Larionov, P. LaFontaine, D. Savard, R. Middleton, D. Sittler, P. Forsberg, J. Sakic, P. Esposito


    Defensemen

    R. Bourque
    L. Robinson
    D. Potvin
    V. Fetisov
    P. Coffey
    N. Lidstrom
    R. Langway
    C. Chelios
    M. Howe
    B. Park

    Honorable Mentions: S. Savard, A. Kasatonov, R. Blake, A. MacInnis, L. Murphy, S. Stevens


    Goaltenders

    D. Hasek
    V. Tretiak
    K. Dryden
    P. Roy
    G. Fuhr

    Honorable Mentions: B. Parent, T. Esposito, M. Brodeur
     
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    Goalies

    Jacques Plante, Terry Sawchuk, Patrick Roy, Ken Dryden, Martin Brodeur

    Defence

    Bobby Orr, Doug Harvey, Larry Robinson, Denis Potvin, Eddie Shore, Serge Savard, Brad Park, Paul Coffey, Ray Bourque, Rod Langway.

    Forwards

    Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Gordie Howe, Rocket Richard, Jean Beliveau, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur, Gilbert Perreault, Marcel Dionne, Mark Messier, Howie Morenz, Mike Bossy, Steve Yzerman, Frank Mahovlich, Red Kelly.
     
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    Warned? For what? Bure was one of the best players ever in the NHL and if he didnt get injured and cut his NHL short he would be on everyones top 15 list in a few years. He could have easily amassed over 600 goals if he played a few more seasons.
     
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    No he couldn't, he was around 200 goals away. If he had actually tried with the Canucks for a few of those years (damn right I am bitter). Furthermore while he could play great for short spurts of time (see when he first went to New York), he was very injury prone, and as the season progressed he became worse and worse. Add to that the fact that he has played in a total of 4 games in the playoffs since 1995 and I really don't think he deserves any consideration for much of anything when it comes to being on the top 15 forwards of all time, not by a long shot...

    He was 33 when he sort of retired getting up to 34, so it is reasonable to state he wason the downside of his career. So if he was able to score 40 goals for a couple of seasons, which is a very good total for an aging player he would still need 80 goals to reach 600. So now you are thinking that a 36 year old player can score 40 goals a year? Not only that you are counting on a 37 year old player to score 40 goals in a year. Well I am sorry to say this but there is no way that Bure would hit the 600 mark, even if he did play another 5 years.

    My list.

    Forwards:
    Gretzky
    Lemieux
    Howe
    Messier
    Bossy
    Hull (Bobby)
    Lafleur
    Kharlamov
    Trottier
    Sakic
    Yzerman
    Clarke
    Esposito
    Beliveau
    Richard (even though I haven't been able to see much video.. the stories)

    Defense
    Orr
    Chelios
    Potvin
    Lidstrom
    Bourque
    Fetisov
    Harvey
    Will put more later I have a paper to write

    Haven't seen some of the older greats, such as Harvey so I favoured more modern players.

    Goaltenders:
    Roy
    Hasek
    Tretiak
    Parent
    Brodeur

    Once again with older players.
     
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    I'd be hard pressed to beat this list. Nice one..

    I'd put Jaromir Jagr, Phil Esposito, Bobby Clarke and Stan Mikita in the top 15 forwards ahead of Frank Mahovlich, Steve Yzerman, Howie Morenz and Red Kelly, though. And for now, I'd have placed Hasek ahead of Brodeur in the top five goalies. Can't see any other glaring omissions, though.
     
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    1. How can you rate anyone over gretzky
    2. How can you but Pavel Bure on at top 100 forwards of all time list, never mind at top 15
    3. What has pronovost done to get the nod over Phil Housely, Nick Lidstrom, Larry Murphy, and Larry Robinson among others?
    4. Hands down, Sawchuk should be the best goalie ever. I also think another guy who should be near the top 5 list is Esposito, not to mention George Hainsworth, or Georgez Vezina.
     
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    ...interesting choice
     
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    Great List :bow:
     
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    what, no Rob Schremp on any of these lists? :shakehead (sorry Oil fans, I just had to)
     
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    This thread is unbelievable! Do you guy's think if you make enough of these stupid
    lists that eventually everyone that knows better will die off and you will re-write
    history.It's not gonna happen so grow up.Bure :lol Howe at #30-The only way that
    is somewhat believable is if you're referring to Mark Howe. :cry: I don't know
    whether to laugh or cry so maybe I'll just :banghead:
     
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