Rank these prospects

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  1. sandbox

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    Hey guys, this is a list of my prospects in an FHL sim league and I was wanting some help from you guys to put them into a top 20 list like Hockeysfuture.com does list for NHL teams. This is what I ranked them as. Can some of you rerank them in the order you see it?

    1. Henrik Lundqvist
    2. Thomas Vanek
    3. Alexander Steen
    4. Mike Richards
    5. Devin Setoguchi
    6. Lauri Tukonen
    7. Robbie Schremp
    8. Benoit Pouliot
    9. Kevin Klein
    10. Jakub Kindl
    11. Marc Antoine Pouliot
    12. Ryan Potulny
    13. Clarke Macarthur
    14. Lukas Kaspar
    15. Sasha Pokulok
    16. Maxime Talbot
    17. Kristopher Letang
    18. Sami Lepisto
    19. Tyler Plante
    20. Michal Sersen

    Extras:
    Danny Syvret
    Daneil Fernholm
    Derek Meech
    Kyle Rossiter
    Alexandre Burrows
    Kelly Guard

    Thanks alot!
     
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  2. i dont rnak things... they rnak me
     
  3. Abyss

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    I'd move Schremp up 2 spots and move MA Pouliot up a couple as well. Otherwise the list is already good imo.
     
  4. OrrNumber4

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    1. Henrik Lundqvist
    2. Benoit Pouliot-Very high ceiling, not as proven as others, Will be absolutely deadly on the power play.
    3. Thomas Vanek- Rare goal-scoring talent, but not as good as Pouliot. Is obviously more proven than Pouliot.
    4. Mike Richards-Looks like a sure-fire first liner, but lacks elite potential. Simply better overall than Steen. Future captain material?
    5. Alexander Steen-Still lacks strength, but cannot doubt his offensive prowess and two-way ability. Is consistent, like Mats Sundin. Can do anything in the offensive zone but isn't elite in one thing. Maybe Sundin's replacement? Shouldn't he have gotten more seasoning in the AHL?
    6. Devin Setoguchi- Has very high offensive potential, but is less proven than Richards. Good work ethic and strong character. While better than Steen in certain areas, he lacks Steen's versatility.
    7. Robbie Schremp-Attitude problems? Is lacking defensively, but has corrected other deficiences. Lacks the intangibles of Setoguchi.
    8. Kevin Klein- PP specialist who needs to bulk up. His development will probably mirror Christian Ehrhoff's.
    9. Marc Antoine Pouliot- Exceptional playmaker who has underrated speed. Has answered a lot of doubts about him. Very versatile, but lacks top end potential.
    10. Lauri Tukonen-Superior second line forward.
    11. Jakub Kindl- Detriot should develop him properly. Has lots to prove. Pointwise has improved tremendously; has improved his game. Could go the way of Lukas Kaspar.
    12. Maxime Talbot-Has excellent work ethic. Lacks top offensive talent, but scores in key situations. A "glue guy." Every team needs players like him. Is shifty in the offensive zone. Looks like Joe Sakic out there sometimes.
    13. Sami Lepisto- I was upset when San Jose didn't draft this guy. Very similar to Kevin Klein. Shows confidence with the puck but is reckless in the offensive zone. Has many skills one cannot teach. Lacks skating speed and needs to muscle up. Needs to shoot more. Rarely gets rattled because of his strong self-confidence.
    14. Lukas Kaspar- Has enough potential to be near the top of this list, but little chance he will achieve it. Has improved only marginally since being drafted. Has not corrected the flaws in his game. My view of him may be biased, as I see him frequently, and his errors may stick out more in my mind. I will gladly eat my words on him.
    15. Sasha Pokulok- 6'5. Huge defenseman who is reminiscent of Mike Rathje. Probably won't be an offensive contributor at NHL level. Picks his spots very well. Will be in the NHL sooner rather than later.

    Feel free to disagree. 2-7 and 8-15 can be acceptably ranked in many ways.

    Don't know enough to rank:
    Ryan Potulny-Good prospect, lacks top potential.
    Tyler Plante- Various posters thought he was a steal. Has great stats, but how will that translate to NHL play?
    Michal Sersen- Was noticeable for mistakes on the ice...project pick?
    Kristopher Letang- Played poorly when I saw him. Can skate well, and has a good shot. Future Andy Delmore or Dick Tarnstrom? Need to see him more
    Clarke Macarthur-who?
     
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    wow as a wild fan..

    i'd trade pouliot in a nano-second for thomas vanek.

    Vanek :yo: is the man.

    Pouliot has a LONGGGGGGGGGGG ways to go before he's even near him.
     
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    Potoulny and irmen are both good GOPHERS prospects, 3rd rounders a couple years ago.

    I think Irmen is a slightly better prospect, czu he plays a more nhl style, gritty *******, hits, agitates, can score and pass....very good player imo.

    Potoulny, isn't the best skater, or most physical, but he has good vision and a nhl caliber shot right now.
     
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    No way Pouliot is higher than Vanek....your list is OK
     
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    Vanek>>Pouliot...
     
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    Sure, maybe right now. In fact Vanek is a much safer prospect. But Pouliot has a higher upside. I would not be surprised if in a few years he is one of the top five wingers in the NHL.
     
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    The unreasoning lovefest with Benoit Pouliot continues.

    A lot of hype for a guy 41st in OHL scoring.
     
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    Really? As far as I know, not too many on these boards hype Pouliot enough. His numbers may be down, but you know why? He is working on his defensive awareness (and is making smarter plays defensively), and he is trying not to get spaced out on the ice. His stickhandling has even improved a bit, and instead of constantly releasing his NHL-quality shot, hes looking to pass a bit more and improve his playmaking. He is making a visible effort to improve out on the ice. I am willing to be he has even gained more muscle since draft day. His bag of tricks appears to have expanded as well.

    In comparison, look at Vanek. Sure, he has progressed offensively, and can now score at an NHL-level. But he has not done anything to fix his deficiences. Still, he lacks skills away from the puck, and he does not use his frame to hit enough. There are still times where he is lazy on the ice.

    Pouliot has shown that he can (and is willing to) develop that all-around game vital for elite status at a young age. It is not too late for Vanek to do that, but until he does he won't rise to elite status.

    Just my two cents
     
  12. luv_canadian_hockey

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    good list...except i would move robbie shremp into 5th behind mike richards and maybe put danny syvret on the list, and drop sasha pokuluk..otherwise good job :clap:
     
  13. Chrisd

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    In all fairness to pouliot...

    he has only played about 40 games lol....you failed to mention that.

    Also he's on a team which isn't a high scoring club and his linemates aren't exactly anything to right home about... ( not on a line with foligno even).

    60+ pts in 40 games... and quite frankly if you use points to measure a prospect, then corey locke is > then eric staal and horton, and jeff carter, who never put up massive points in the OHL, there PPG averages weren't much higher if at all then 1.5 that pouliot is doing this year.

    So lets put things in perspective.

    Would I take vanek over Pouliot..sure I've seen vanek a ton and think he's clutch and a unreal player.

    That said, Pouliot has the skating, shot to be a great winger...he just needs the discipline more then anything, something which the mn wild organization is great at teaching, in Houston (see patrick O'sullivan) and Lemaire of course with the Wild.
     
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    Pokoluk is much more suited to the NHL as a D-man...in addition he has a booming shot and is QB for Cornell's PP. He has very solid offensive skills and great hands for a man of 6'5", his numbers are only low because he plays for CORNELL, who, unlike the teams of the CCHA and WCHA, focuses on defense, defense, defense. Anyways, he is miles ahead of Syvret.
     
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    i haven't seen him play much..only at the world juniors..however i saw danny syvret play a lot because i live near london..but maybe he's better then i thought..hopefully he will get more exposure next year at the world jrs.
     
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    I know why Pouliot's numbers are down from watching him several times this year, and it is most certainly not from improving his defensive awareness. In actuality I would say his low numbers have more to do with his lack of effort, constant cherry picking and terrible team play.

    He has regressed in almost every facet of his game this year, except for thuggery, and anyone can tell by simply watching him.
     
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    hmm

    pouliots 1.5 ppg numbers are low?

    Weird...

    Then eric staal, horton and jeff carter had (low) numbers in their ohl careers as well...hahhahahha

    Just cause a player doesn't have 2+ ppg in junior hockey doesn't mean jack, obviously.

    You're a points guy though obviously, you would rather have corey locke then jeff carter.

    To each his own.
     
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    I watched all those guys in the OHL and there is a clear difference. They were the best players on the ice every night, difference makers.

    Pouliot hasn't even been the best player on his line this year.
     
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    you've been dogging him since b4 the draft, out of your ever ending love for bobby ryan, we know...we know.
     
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    Hey thanks alot for the posts guys. I think Ive got a pretty solid future with all these prospects. I have 4 of them in the NHL now in Vanek Steen Richards and Lundqvist all having regular jobs, whereas Talbot Syvret Burrows and even Kevin Klein (1 game) all have seen a little bit of the NHL.

    What do you guys think is my organizational weaknesses for my team? I pretty much think its defence, obviously another goalie in the first 3 rounds might be a need as well but I think for forwards I should be more than fine. Lemme know what you guys would do with a pick like #7 overall in next years draft.

    Lastly, for whoever didnt know who clarke macarthur is, he used to play for the medicine hat tigers the last 3 years and was amongst there top scorers last year. He was a 3rd round selection in 2003 draft by the Buffalo sabres, currently playing for the Amerks in the AHL. Hes got roughly a 2pt/3gp average going right now as a first year guy. His strengths are his forecheck mostly though, an unreal forechecker and PKer. Nice 3rd liner.

    As for Pouliot, GagneOwnsMe is in my FHL league as a fellow GM and hes been ragging me for taking him 3rd overall ABOVE his beloved Ryan for almost a year now. It'll be fun to see what happens. I agree slightly with GagneOwnsMe on a few of his characterizations of Pouliot, but vastly disagree with others. I see Pouliot as a rough and tough kid with all the talent in the world. Much like Ryan, Pouliot has had a rough past, not as rough, but rough in the sense that his father passed away the week he made his OHL debut in 2004. Him and his father were very close and thats had a toll on Pouliot. I think Pouliot's combination of size, skill, skating and toughness will make him an elite commodity within 5 years. I think he is a bit of a project in the sense that he REALLY needs to stop taking dumb penalties. He needs to work on gaining respect of his opponents or he wont last long in the NHL. He does head hunt from time to time, as displayed in the WJHC, but he can easilly change this bad habit. Though, even when you think about it, Id rather have a guy whos not a ***** than a *****... At least he can stick up for himself. It'll be interesting to see him translate his game in the NHL, I really think Lemaire will have a hard time with him, but in 2-3 years of NHL experience I think you'll see Pouliot control games. Though not on a consistant bases, I also agree he does disappear from time to time, but when you think about it, almost every player does. He'll be a good one IMO. Though I still think all the guys I ranked above him maybe are just the ones I see having an impact sooner. If I were to rank this list with who has the highest ceiling... Pouliot quite likely could be on top.
     
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    yup ...he's been ragging him forever, but he knows more then nhl scouts.

    You know what....Patrick O'sullivan had these issues, maturity issues, stupid penalties and such in the OHL as well, as Benoit does.

    Guess what he's #1 in the AHL among rookie scorers, and top 5 or 6 in the entire league in points.

    Kids DO GROW UP... and become men, although in some cases, they don't.

    the wild organization stresses discipline, both in the AHL and NHL (lemaire)...believe me Pouliot won't be making dumb penalties and floating and getting ice time here.

    Guy's like O'sullivan and pouliot can do this stuff in the OHL, doesn't mean they will do it in the NHL, especially not under Lemaire.


    -- Pouliots weakness= dumb penalties, sometimes floating, and attitude at times.

    -- Bobby Ryan weakness= Skating, when I saw him with the USA Junior team, I saw the worst skater on the team by far, whom was clutzy on skates. No question he's a playmaker and has a shot, but he will have to work on those skates.
     
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    Doesn't this site have some sort of rules about banned posters creating other usernames Ebola11?
     
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    O'Sullivan was in the class of a Carter in the OHL that you always feared playing them because they were so dominant. Pouliot isin't in that class, he's just a dnagerous powerplay guy, and it ends there.



    Clearly.

    Ryan can also dominate a game by himslef which is something I have never seen from Benoit.
     
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