Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 5.29.18)

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Does Ronning have a shot at being a scoring talent?

 

[nyr2k2]

Does Ronning have a shot at being a scoring talent?

I definitely think so, if it all breaks right. He has good skill, a good motor, good wheels, and he knows where to go on the ice. I mean I don't see him as a big scorer, but upside I could see a 20-20 guy. He has a lot to prove though before that kind of projection becomes even remotely realistic.

He also has 2 goals now. 59 on the year. 60 in sight!

 

[Alluckks]

You never know when a guy can just 'get it' and have that scoring touch. Ronning has scored from his skating and hard wrist shot all year. It very well could translate to a 20+ goal guy at an NHL level.

He actually reminds me a bit of Alex Steen (before he broke up with career high assist totals a few years ago)

 

[ThirdEye]

Ended up being a 3 point night for him.... 7 shots on goal

Leads the league in SOG

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Howden forced a turnover leading to a Hagbelwachs, or however the **** you spell it, goal:

I hope we sign Halbgewachs, just to hear Sam pronounce his name

 

[nyr2k2]

I hope we sign Halbgewachs, just to hear Sam pronounce his name

SJ signed Halbgewachs.

 

[Edge]

It is worth noting that MJ's two leading scorers are both playing in their overage season.

 

[Roo Returns]

Does Ronning have a shot at being a scoring talent?

I don't know if he'll ever be "The Guy" on a line, but I think he could be a very nice third piece. Kin of like what Fast is, but more offense and less defense in Ty's case.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, and neither were drafted. Halbgewachs just signed an ELC recently with SJS and an UDFA. Neither are big-time prospects, and it's debatable whether either is a legitimate prospect at all.

 

[JimmyG89]

SJ signed Halbgewachs.

Just to put all debate on signing either player, Burke signed an ELC with Arizona.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah, and neither were drafted. Halbgewachs just signed an ELC recently with SJS and an UDFA. Neither are big-time prospects, and it's debatable whether either is a legitimate prospect at all.

In general, a drafted player who goes unsigned is more of a long-shot than an undrafted player in my opinion. There are exceptions, obviously.

 

[Edge]

I would consider both Burke and Halbgewachs to be longshot prospect--- both were undrafted and stuck around for an overage season, in which they played on the same team.

Having two overagers alongside one another is a very significant advantage.

Burke also had a very rough divorce from Lethbridge prior to coming over to Moose Jaw. So there's at least a little background happenstance to consider.

With that said, wish them nothing but the best.

 

[nyr2k2]

In general, a drafted player who goes unsigned is more of a long-shot than an undrafted player in my opinion. There are exceptions, obviously.

I mean, no doubt. The sheer number of UDFA players also completely dwarfs the amount of guys that are drafted, not signed, and then end up signing a contract elsewhere.

Just looking at our unsigned draft picks from the past 20 years who eventually signed NHL deals and played in any games, and you have Pat Leahy, Nate Guenin and Dylan Reese. Slim pickins'. Ryan Mantha may stand a chance to join that list, and he'd be the first in 11 years of drafting. Meanwhile we've had plenty of undrafted guys come through--Girardi, Zuccarello, Talbot, Gilroy, Pionk, Lettieri, Marchessault (on an AHL deal), etc. On the current team you've got McLeod and Desharnais, and then we also had Holden. And there's dozens of other guys that have played for the organization in the past 20 years that weren't first signed by us, but still came in as UDFA players. Not even counting Zaitsev, Read, Sustr, Kinkaid, guys like that who we had in for camps but couldn't/didn't sign.

Basically if an NHL team drafts you, watches you develop for three of four years and then walks away (essentially admitting a wasted pick), you're probably not good. If another team then signs you, you still probably suck (Josh Nicholls, WTG Rangers). Whereas even with the advances in scouting, there are still guys who get missed or underestimated or bloom late.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think Burke is a better prospect than Halbgewachs. Burke is really slight of build but at least isn't tiny, and he has decent wheels. Halbgewachs is tiny and worse, he's kind of slow. Like, fine-for-CHL-speed but not enough for the pro game. Like Michael St. Croix. They both sling the puck around pretty damn well, so maybe vision and IQ can make up for physical limitations? Personally I don't see it, but again, if one makes it I'd bet it's Burke.

Howden is better than both by a mile.

EDIT: This is all based on last year, I don't know what they've looked like this year.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

You never know when a guy can just 'get it' and have that scoring touch. Ronning has scored from his skating and hard wrist shot all year. It very well could translate to a 20+ goal guy at an NHL level.

He actually reminds me a bit of Alex Steen (before he broke up with career high assist totals a few years ago)

I’ll take 1/2 a Steen and be happy

 

[Edge]

I think Burke is a better prospect than Halbgewachs. Burke is really slight of build but at least isn't tiny, and he has decent wheels. Halbgewachs is tiny and worse, he's kind of slow. Like, fine-for-CHL-speed but not enough for the pro game. Like Michael St. Croix. They both sling the puck around pretty damn well, so maybe vision and IQ can make up for physical limitations? Personally I don't see it, but again, if one makes it I'd bet it's Burke.

Howden is better than both by a mile.

EDIT: This is all based on last year, I don't know what they've looked like this year.

They've all looked really good. Moose Jaw, in general, has been firing on a cylinders. Though it should be noted that they have several overage players

With that said, Howden plays a game that looks more likely to translate successfully to the NHL level.

 

[Joey Bones]

Just realized that Chytil, Andersson, Hajek, Howden, Day and Gettinger all are on sliding contracts this season. This could benefit NYR in the potential Seattle expansion draft (barring any rule changes).

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I mean, no doubt. The sheer number of UDFA players also completely dwarfs the amount of guys that are drafted, not signed, and then end up signing a contract elsewhere.

Just looking at our unsigned draft picks from the past 20 years who eventually signed NHL deals and played in any games, and you have Pat Leahy, Nate Guenin and Dylan Reese. Slim pickins'. Ryan Mantha may stand a chance to join that list, and he'd be the first in 11 years of drafting. Meanwhile we've had plenty of undrafted guys come through--Girardi, Zuccarello, Talbot, Gilroy, Pionk, Lettieri, Marchessault (on an AHL deal), etc. On the current team you've got McLeod and Desharnais, and then we also had Holden. And there's dozens of other guys that have played for the organization in the past 20 years that weren't first signed by us, but still came in as UDFA players. Not even counting Zaitsev, Read, Sustr, Kinkaid, guys like that who we had in for camps but couldn't/didn't sign.

Basically if an NHL team drafts you, watches you develop for three of four years and then walks away (essentially admitting a wasted pick), you're probably not good. If another team then signs you, you still probably suck (Josh Nicholls, WTG Rangers). Whereas even with the advances in scouting, there are still guys who get missed or underestimated or bloom late.

Isn’t Gilmour an unsigned draft pick?

 

[Irishguy42]

Isn’t Gilmour an unsigned draft pick?

Yes. He was a Calgary pick that signed with us.

 

[Alluckks]

Just realized that Chytil, Andersson, Hajek, Howden, Day and Gettinger all are on sliding contracts this season. This could benefit NYR in the potential Seattle expansion draft (barring any rule changes).

I'd like to think Gorton went into the rebuild with that in mind

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know he isn't a Rangers prospect anymore, but tonight Andrew Yogan plays in Vienna with HC Innsbruck in the play-off quarterfinals. Yogan leads his team in goals this season and is 6th in the league with 25.

Vienna Capitals have a 2-0 lead in the series going into game 3 tonight (EBEL has a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 structure, instead of 2-2-1-1-1 as in the NHL)

 

[nyr2k2]

Isn’t Gilmour an unsigned draft pick?

Yep. And I didn't mean to imply unsigned picks have no chance; they're just far more unlikely to make it than an UDFA that receives a contract. Which is what AK said, I just expanded on it.

 

[JimmyG89]

Yep. And I didn't mean to imply unsigned picks have no chance; they're just far more unlikely to make it than an UDFA that receives a contract. Which is what AK said, I just expanded on it.

Kids from the NCAA are little more of the exception. We have 3 on our roster (Hayes, Vesey, Gilmour).

Junior kids are more worrisome IMO. There I would prefer an UDFA over one that was drafted and left unsigned.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yep. And I didn't mean to imply unsigned picks have no chance; they're just far more unlikely to make it than an UDFA that receives a contract. Which is what AK said, I just expanded on it.

Yeah, I think I just misread that and thought you were mentioning league wide unsigned picks who played NHL games rather than just our own picks. That’s what I get for reading a bunch of stuff I missed throughout the day instead of going to sleep last night

 

[nyr2k2]

Kids from the NCAA are little more of the exception. We have 3 on our roster (Hayes, Vesey, Gilmour).

Junior kids are more worrisome IMO. There I would prefer an UDFA over one that was drafted and left unsigned.

There's an important distinction to make between guys like Hayes and Vesey and a guy like Gilmour. Hayes and Vesey were guys whose teams WANTED to sign them, but the players themselves chose not to sign and instead went the free agency route. The guys that refuse to sign are usually pretty highly-regarded players, who choose not to sign because they know they'll get a lot of interest. Butcher and Kerfoot this summer for instance. Gilmour was a guy that probably would have taken a contract from Calgary, but the Flames just chose not to sign him.