Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 5.29.18)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

And we'll be adding potentially 5 more top 62 picks

Might have the best prospect pool in the league once the draft settles

Yeah, I think we are definitely top 10 right now. The draft should put us in contention for the best prospect pool.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

11. Huska (stupid decision to go to UConn always has been needs to turn pro immediately)

Why? Its not like he's going to play in the NHL immediately. NCAA is a decent development environment. Four years there is good preparation for the pros. He'll be 22-23 when he starts in the AHL after that, and then within a few years, he could play in the NHL, if he's good enough. We don't need him playing in the NHL right now. Being an NHL'er at 23-25 is not out of ordinary for goalies.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Really happy Lindgren is signing. Not a fan of the Gopher program at all from a development standpoint.

 

[pblawr]

I would be curious if someone could explain the rationale for ranking Shesterkin, as a goalie, over high end skating prospects like Chytil or Andersson. It seems to me like goalie prospects, basically as a rule, should be less valuable than high end skating prospects because:

1) Goalie prospects are more uncertain and are tougher to project. We've been through this recently with Skapski and Halverson, not to mention Lafleur, Montoya, or Blackburn.
2) Unless an NHL goalie is able to sustain an elite level for several years like Lundqvist or Price, they seem to be relatively commoditized. The bar for a goalie prospect to be a legitimately valuable NHL asset seems to be higher than it is for a skater.

It seems to me like this is backed up by the facts that 1) teams rarely draft goalies in the top 2 rounds anymore and 2) out of the 50 highest paid players in the NHL, only 2 are goalies (and Rask is 49th). So when NHL teams vote with their draft capital and salary cap space, they say that goalies are less valuable than high end skaters.

I would be curious to hear the rationale if anyone ranking Shesterkin above Chytil or Andersson could explain why they have a different perspective.

 

[JimmyG89]

Being an NHL'er at 23-25 is not out of ordinary for goalies.

People are having expectations on goalie readiness being off because of Georgiev and Shesty at this point. Shestyorkin would probably be in the NHL if he didn't re-sign in SKA a few years ago. Georgiev looks all the part while being here.

It was no more than 12 months ago Wall and Huska were blooming at the NCAA level. People were expecting them to sign probably after this season, maybe next, and be in the NHL at 22ish. That's not very easy for a goalie to do.

I know you can never have enough good goalie prospects, but with the developments over the past 12 months, I'd be inclined to trade one of Wall or Huska at this point, if it meant getting a better pick in this draft, or getting a good, young forward on this team. If they needed to be added to a trade for a Jesse Puljujarvi (for example), I would not hesitate, knowing Georgiev, Shesty, and Wall/Huska are still around.

They'll draft another goalie in the late rounds this year. They did not draft one last year. At this point, I can see their 5th-7th used on a goalie.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I would be curious if someone could explain the rationale for ranking Shesterkin, as a goalie, over high end skating prospects like Chytil or Andersson. It seems to me like goalie prospects, basically as a rule, should be less valuable than high end skating prospects because:

1) Goalie prospects are more uncertain and are tougher to project. We've been through this recently with Skapski and Halverson, not to mention Lafleur, Montoya, or Blackburn.
2) Unless an NHL goalie is able to sustain an elite level for several years like Lundqvist or Price, they seem to be relatively commoditized. The bar for a goalie prospect to be a legitimately valuable NHL asset seems to be higher than it is for a skater.

It seems to me like this is backed up by the facts that 1) teams rarely draft goalies in the top 2 rounds anymore and 2) out of the 50 highest paid players in the NHL, only 2 are goalies (and Rask is 49th). So when NHL teams vote with their draft capital and salary cap space, they say that goalies are less valuable than high end skaters.

I would be curious to hear the rationale if anyone ranking Shesterkin above Chytil or Andersson could explain why they have a different perspective.

1. This is true to an extent, in my opinion. Its true for guys just drafted or goalies who aren't really producing and only have "potential." Its not true when that goalie might be the best goalie playing outside the NHL. Shestyorkin is an NHL'er right now, maybe a starter. There's very little uncertainty about his hockey ability.

2. Thats the reason. If you think Shestyorkin will be elite, he should be more valuable than Chytil or Andersson who profile as good/very good NHL'ers, but not as elite players at their position in the elite 1C or 1D mold.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

People are having expectations on goalie readiness being off because of Georgiev and Shesty at this point. Shestyorkin would probably be in the NHL if he didn't re-sign in SKA a few years ago. Georgiev looks all the part while being here.

It was no more than 12 months ago Wall and Huska were blooming at the NCAA level. People were expecting them to sign probably after this season, maybe next, and be in the NHL at 22ish. That's not very easy for a goalie to do.

I know you can never have enough good goalie prospects, but with the developments over the past 12 months, I'd be inclined to trade one of Wall or Huska at this point, if it meant getting a better pick in this draft, or getting a good, young forward on this team. If they needed to be added to a trade for a Jesse Puljujarvi (for example), I would not hesitate, knowing Georgiev, Shesty, and Wall/Huska are still around.

They'll draft another goalie in the late rounds this year. They did not draft one last year. At this point, I can see their 5th-7th used on a goalie.

I don't think goalies have much trade value, so unless I get a top 2 round pick, I'm not trading Huska. Unless someone gives me a top 4 round pick, I'm not trading Wall. I think he's underrated. His "bad" season is judged off of 12 games. I'm not sure any goalie should be judged off of a short stretch of bad games. But the chances are that neither will be included in a trade because teams usually don't trade for prospect goalies.

I agree though that expectations are out of whack for development of goalies. I don't think there are that many good goalies towards the top of this draft. Maybe take one in the later rounds. I wouldn't be against it.

 

[Ranger Ric]

According to Michael Russo Lindgren is signing with the Rangers.

✔@RussoHockey
Hearing the #gophers' Ryan Lindgren will be signing with the #nyrangers
1:16 PM - Mar 20, 2018

Really happy Lindgren is signing. Not a fan of the Gopher program at all from a development standpoint.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Going to be quite the competition for playing time at LD for the Wolf Pack next season

Lindgren, Hajek, and Day all coming in

While Pedrie, Crawley and Bigras are already there

Wonder if we'll see Day shift to his off side, I know his WHL teams were trying that for a bit

The Pack may actually be good next season with all these guys coming in, plus the addition of some guys they may draft.

 

[Edge]

I would be curious if someone could explain the rationale for ranking Shesterkin, as a goalie, over high end skating prospects like Chytil or Andersson. It seems to me like goalie prospects, basically as a rule, should be less valuable than high end skating prospects because:

1) Goalie prospects are more uncertain and are tougher to project. We've been through this recently with Skapski and Halverson, not to mention Lafleur, Montoya, or Blackburn.
2) Unless an NHL goalie is able to sustain an elite level for several years like Lundqvist or Price, they seem to be relatively commoditized. The bar for a goalie prospect to be a legitimately valuable NHL asset seems to be higher than it is for a skater.

It seems to me like this is backed up by the facts that 1) teams rarely draft goalies in the top 2 rounds anymore and 2) out of the 50 highest paid players in the NHL, only 2 are goalies (and Rask is 49th). So when NHL teams vote with their draft capital and salary cap space, they say that goalies are less valuable than high end skaters.

I would be curious to hear the rationale if anyone ranking Shesterkin above Chytil or Andersson could explain why they have a different perspective.

I think it speaks to what Shestyorkin has shown since being drafted. Simply put, you couldn't ask for much more from a goalie prospect other than dominating in the NHL, or maybe the AHL.

 

[duhmetreE]

Going to be quite the competition for playing time at LD for the Wolf Pack next season

Lindgren, Hajek, and Day all coming in

While Pedrie, Crawley and Bigras are already there

Wonder if we'll see Day shift to his off side, I know his WHL teams were trying that for a bit

The Pack may actually be good next season with all these guys coming in, plus the addition of some guys they may draft.

I could see some of them making the team out of camp.

If we're not 'contenders' and they show they could hang, why not let them play in the NHL?

Could they be worse than O'gara? Gilmour?

 

[Drew4u]

I really don't think the prospect pool is all that good. I mean other than Chytil and maybe Andersson there's no one who's a lock to become a top 6 forward or top 4 defencemen. Lot's of depth though.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would reckon a guess that O'Gara might not even be with the organization next year haha

There's no way they've been impressed with him since the trade. Why waste a contract spot on him

 

[Mac n Gs]

I would reckon a guess that O'Gara might not even be with the organization next year haha

There's no way they've been impressed with him since the trade. Why waste a contract spot on him

He was always just another warm body that they’d take a flyer on after the Holden trade. If he works out, great. If not, he’s a local boy that can be AHL depth or just non-tendered.

 

[Edge]

I really don't think the prospect pool is all that good. I mean other than Chytil and maybe Andersson there's no one who's a lock to become a top 6 forward or top 4 defencemen. Lot's of depth though.

I think the top 10 is pretty solid considering we haven't even hit the upcoming draft.

 

[GregSirico]

Day is one of those guys who could climb considerably, or fall pretty quickly. I'm very interested to see how he does when he turns pro.

Overall, lists can be deceiving because the difference between six and nine, or ten and fifteen can be pretty small.

I've just always been high on Day. He reminds me of Buff 2.0.

 

[Edge]

I've just always been high on Day. He reminds me of Buff 2.0.

My concern with Day remains his hockey sense and whether his reads can keep up with the faster play.

The physical tools are there, especially with him getting his conditioning in order.

I'm not as sure about some of the mental ones.

 

[bl02]

I really don't think the prospect pool is all that good. I mean other than Chytil and maybe Andersson there's no one who's a lock to become a top 6 forward or top 4 defencemen. Lot's of depth though.

Its getting there I agree but I would not put it top 10 yet (But considering we were probably in the high 20's few years ago still huge jump). After this draft one would think we should be top 10.

 

[eco's bones]

People are having expectations on goalie readiness being off because of Georgiev and Shesty at this point. Shestyorkin would probably be in the NHL if he didn't re-sign in SKA a few years ago. Georgiev looks all the part while being here.

It was no more than 12 months ago Wall and Huska were blooming at the NCAA level. People were expecting them to sign probably after this season, maybe next, and be in the NHL at 22ish. That's not very easy for a goalie to do.

I know you can never have enough good goalie prospects, but with the developments over the past 12 months, I'd be inclined to trade one of Wall or Huska at this point, if it meant getting a better pick in this draft, or getting a good, young forward on this team. If they needed to be added to a trade for a Jesse Puljujarvi (for example), I would not hesitate, knowing Georgiev, Shesty, and Wall/Huska are still around.

They'll draft another goalie in the late rounds this year. They did not draft one last year. At this point, I can see their 5th-7th used on a goalie.

IMO the only prospect goalies that have any real value are Shesterkin, Georgiev and Huska and Huska's value is probably not that high. A 3rd? maybe. If you wanted to move up in a significant way in the draft using one of our goalies as bait it's Shesterkin or Georgiev. I think Georgiev has really made a case for himself as a potential NHL #1 goalie in the future. He looks f***ing solid and at 22 years old with a pretty damn shaky defense in front of him that's really something.

 

[Edge]

Its getting there I agree but I would not put it top 10 yet (But considering we were probably in the high 20's few years ago still huge jump). After this draft one would think we should be top 10.

Depends on how far off the radar the Rangers go. The further they go, the more likely observers are to overlook the system --- which is fine by me.

I say that because I think the Rangers picked up 3 or 4 kids at the deadline that are very good prospects. However, I don't know if most people really know or understand what the Rangers received. In other words, the Rangers didn't necessarily get guys who have received the most hype to date, they focused on guys they think can be legitimate NHL players in a few years.

 

[GregSirico]

https://nypost.com/2018/03/20/college-defenseman-mulls-speeding-up-move-to-rangers/

Lindgren, the 49th-overall selection in the 2016 entry draft who is renowned for his leadership skills and all-around game, had been expected to return to school for his junior year. But the 6-foot, 198-pound lefty, a member of the last two Team USA World Junior squads, is believed to be considering turning pro.

 

[pblawr]

1. This is true to an extent, in my opinion. Its true for guys just drafted or goalies who aren't really producing and only have "potential." Its not true when that goalie might be the best goalie playing outside the NHL. Shestyorkin is an NHL'er right now, maybe a starter. There's very little uncertainty about his hockey ability.

2. Thats the reason. If you think Shestyorkin will be elite, he should be more valuable than Chytil or Andersson who profile as good/very good NHL'ers, but not as elite players at their position in the elite 1C or 1D mold.

I think it speaks to what Shestyorkin has shown since being drafted. Simply put, you couldn't ask for much more from a goalie prospect other than dominating in the NHL, or maybe the AHL.

Thanks for the replies. I would still discount Shesterkin a little bit based on the higher threshold for goalies to make an impact, but the reasoning for ranking him highly makes more sense to me now.

 

[nyr2k2]

He was always just another warm body that they’d take a flyer on after the Holden trade. If he works out, great. If not, he’s a local boy that can be AHL depth or just non-tendered.

I gotta say, the reports we got from knowledgeable Boston posters indicated O'Gara has more to offer than we've seen. He may be much better in more of a traditional zone-based defensive system. Everyone sucks in our current system so I can't write off O'Gara.

 

[kovazub94]

I think I asked before but don't think there was a response. Should we expect Huska to sign with the Rangers now? Why wait (from his perspective)? Not for UConn education (no disrespect intended but this is no Harvard we are talking about).

 

[Mac n Gs]

I gotta say, the reports we got from knowledgeable Boston posters indicated O'Gara has more to offer than we've seen. He may be much better in more of a traditional zone-based defensive system. Everyone sucks in our current system so I can't write off O'Gara.

I mean I’d love for him to prove me wrong, and I’ll gladly admit it. I think most of our kids need to be in a zone system anyways, similar to how the US plays at the WJC. Those teams can defend and still know how to play fast north-south hockey.