Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
I'm embracing the big markets, because if a smaller market wins I'll feel extra crappy about the Pirates.
Let's go Dodgers!
Let's go Dodgers!
OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Sell the Team
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Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
I'm also cheering for the Nats because of how collectively butt-hurt the Cubs fanbase is over Harper being excited and celebrating.
Penguins23
Le Magnifique
I almost puked in my mouth watching the end of the Cubs/Nats game yesterday. I hate the Cubs so much.
bathroomSTAAL
The halcyon days
Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think I officially feel bad for DC sports fans. Last night was just brutal and this statistic boggles the mind.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...of-the-d-c-sports-fan/?utm_term=.6e02f52a8cd0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...of-the-d-c-sports-fan/?utm_term=.6e02f52a8cd0
wheelz87
LGP
I will NEVER feel bad for that city. I think it's hilarious how it's choke after choke. HATE the Cubs but atleast we got to see another team in Washington have an early exit.
Penguins23
Le Magnifique
Joe Maddon brought in a starting pitcher with the winning run on 2nd and his closer warmed up in the bottom of the 9th...that did not work out well for him. He was saving his closer for a save sitution.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...anaged-for-a-save-and-lost-the-win-in-game-2/
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...anaged-for-a-save-and-lost-the-win-in-game-2/
NewAgeOutlaw
Belie Dat!
Hopefully it'll be another 100 years for the Cubs to win again.
Also, anyone see this? please be true and happen!!!
Also, anyone see this? please be true and happen!!!
Penguins23
Le Magnifique
That would be awesome except that probably means Hurdle signs on for another 20 years.
Jaded-Fan
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I wouldn't expect much from this.
There have been several reported offers for the Pirates in the past including the Pens' ownership and Mark Cuban. Owners who actually would fund a decent payroll. Nutting refuses to sell as he consistently is one of the top profit makers in the league.
Rufus
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As much as a new owner would be exciting, it usually means payroll gets cut more initially than expanded.
Big McLargehuge
Fragile Traveler
Well, if this wasn't the year I became a Dodgers fan, it's never gonna happen.
*still hasn't watched a baseball game since the Nicasio f***-up, so I guess it's never gonna happen...but f*** the Cubs regardless*
*still hasn't watched a baseball game since the Nicasio f***-up, so I guess it's never gonna happen...but f*** the Cubs regardless*
How much more could they really cut payroll? Seriously.... any business owner should understand the situation.
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
I had an argument recently with DK regarding this subject. The conflict was over the Pirates "reported" financials where they are making a small profit in the 15 million range. As I told DK, the real number by my estimates is northward of 75 million per year. DK could not grasp my estimate at all, I tried to quickly run through the numbers with no luck.
So instead of numbers, let us use common sense. Why would Nutting, who obviously cares so much about the bottom line, not listen to offers when he could easily triple to 5 times his initial investment?? The answer is simple, he basically has a cash ATM that no other business provides.
Lastly, I used one other bit of logic on DK. IF the small markets were all barely making a profit, breaking even or losing money, why would they not force economic change to MLB?? There are more small to medium markets than large markets. It's because they are all making a killing financially and all have a built in excuse for not competing.
MLB is one big sham.
Dread Pirate Roberts
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Can I see your numbers? The ones I found (that were released independently--I trust Nutting's own word as far as I can throw Prince Fielder) indicated something more like $40 million profit. I'm open to believing $75 million if I see it, though.
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
It's obvious the Pirates released the numbers from an ideal year to paint the exact picture they wanted the public to believe.
Again, if they are making 15 million profit while having a 88 million dollar payroll, why wouldn't they be the leaders in trying to change the economics of baseball??
Also, why would Nutting not considers offers that would give him a 5x multiple return on his initial investment?
Logic tells you all owners love the current economic conditions. Large Markets are raking in the money and have a competitive advantage. Small markets are truly killing it with profit and have a built in excuse, "we are the little engine that could". LOL
It's all bs
Jaded-Fan
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According to Forbes rankings the Pirates made the 8th most money in baseball at $51 million last year:
https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true
Revenues are tough to nail down of course because the teams can get creative with the books, and the Nuttings always include servicing the debt that they took on in buying the team right off the top, so it is not just players salaries + cost of running a franchise, but that is as close as you can nail down as Forbes is a legit site for business.
https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true
Revenues are tough to nail down of course because the teams can get creative with the books, and the Nuttings always include servicing the debt that they took on in buying the team right off the top, so it is not just players salaries + cost of running a franchise, but that is as close as you can nail down as Forbes is a legit site for business.
Unfortunately he denies it.
https://rumbunter.com/2017/10/20/pittsburgh-pirates-new-report-denies-thomas-tulls-interest/
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
Don't buy into that Tull rumor. There's no way Nutting is going to sell with profits and team values going up.
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
bathroomSTAAL
The halcyon days
One of the worst fanbases in sports, unlikable players, division rival, inherent resentment of huge market/giant payroll, etc. Oh and Joe Maddon is one of the most hateable people in baseball.
Big McLargehuge
Fragile Traveler
wheelz87
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