Quick ? About the US development team
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Senator Stanley
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I think they play exibition games vs. College teams, and then is U18 tournaments. But not positive.
most of there compitition are NCAA teams, which is pretty impressive when you consider that the average age of those teams is somewhere around 22.
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Erik Johnson in his blog at nhl.com:
"As the season began, our team started off timid because of the fact that we were playing a full Division I college schedule with a few Junior games mixed in. This was different from last year, when we played an all-Junior schedule with annual international competitions thrown in throughout the year."
He then goes on about playing a couple of tournaments, and then playing in the World Junior Championship.
"As the season began, our team started off timid because of the fact that we were playing a full Division I college schedule with a few Junior games mixed in. This was different from last year, when we played an all-Junior schedule with annual international competitions thrown in throughout the year."
He then goes on about playing a couple of tournaments, and then playing in the World Junior Championship.
To categorize their schedule...its about 60% NCAA, 30% NAHL (for warm up, a step below USHL), and 10% International. The NCAA record is quite good (especially last year with Kessel, Mueller and JJ)...but they have a tendancy to be somewhat overlooked by the top tier NCAA teams who are looking for a breather.
Most teams treat the u18 as a true exibition game. Learn, stay healthy and get going to games that count. They do not want to get shown up. But starting a never used 2nd goalie or getting a third goalie in the mix is pretty regular. As well as dressing the 7-9 d men and the 5th line.
I do remember Gerber and one of our guys getting into a nice tusscle. Its not all for show. And JJ was in the box doing dumb things. And Hrrington tried x2 to take Kessels head off.
I guess the players that play do go hard. But the best players do not always dress.
I do remember Gerber and one of our guys getting into a nice tusscle. Its not all for show. And JJ was in the box doing dumb things. And Hrrington tried x2 to take Kessels head off.
I guess the players that play do go hard. But the best players do not always dress.
sarcastro
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5mn Major said:
Not sure if this is what you meant, but they seem to have played quite a few really good NCAA teams this season:
Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Cornell
Maine
Vermont
Minn-Duluth
These teams were all ranked, weren't they? Though, looking at it again, the lost every single one of those games. But they did lay a beat-down on the Milwaukee School of Engineering.
Re: USNTDP
The U18s play an excellent and challenging college schedule of 24 or so NCAA D1 games. Their remaining games vs college D3 and in the NAHL is pretty weak especially compared to similiar kids their own age playing in the USHL, Canadian Jr A or even more so, major junior. The U17s play in the NAHL and seem to struggle every year against the provincial canadian teams at the WU17 challenge.
In the draft off the current U18 team, I think you'll see a few -- Johnson #1 or 2 who everyone knows is a stud and probably Nigel Williams go pretty high. Other than those 2, the hype will trail off and you'll see several mostly in the upper 3rd-5th rounds.
McBain based on his U18WJC play and upside might move up to the second round.
The remaining players have a lot of talent and will be great college players but I just see too many flaws and they don't project much as impact pros.
If Strait had some offensive upside, he would be a solid 2nd rounder. He might still make it late in the 2nd when the Devils, Islanders and Carolina all pick late and need depth help on the blueline. However, there are plenty of guys who'll still be left then who project with more offensive upside. My guess is he slips into the 3rd round and with all their picks ends up with the Islanders. Columbus or Phily might grab him in the 3rd as they need depth on d as well.
The U18s play an excellent and challenging college schedule of 24 or so NCAA D1 games. Their remaining games vs college D3 and in the NAHL is pretty weak especially compared to similiar kids their own age playing in the USHL, Canadian Jr A or even more so, major junior. The U17s play in the NAHL and seem to struggle every year against the provincial canadian teams at the WU17 challenge.
In the draft off the current U18 team, I think you'll see a few -- Johnson #1 or 2 who everyone knows is a stud and probably Nigel Williams go pretty high. Other than those 2, the hype will trail off and you'll see several mostly in the upper 3rd-5th rounds.
McBain based on his U18WJC play and upside might move up to the second round.
The remaining players have a lot of talent and will be great college players but I just see too many flaws and they don't project much as impact pros.
If Strait had some offensive upside, he would be a solid 2nd rounder. He might still make it late in the 2nd when the Devils, Islanders and Carolina all pick late and need depth help on the blueline. However, there are plenty of guys who'll still be left then who project with more offensive upside. My guess is he slips into the 3rd round and with all their picks ends up with the Islanders. Columbus or Phily might grab him in the 3rd as they need depth on d as well.
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sarcastro said:
They play college teams, some CHL teams (not often), NAHL and USHL teams and other national teams.
I pay almost no attention to the stats, which can be very misleading.
Re: Usntdp
Hey I wasn't knocking NTDP, it's an outstanding program. I just think the current crop of 88s coming out this year from NTDP isn't as good as some have hyped.
Take a snap shot of the 87s last year-- Jack Johnson and Skille top 5 overall plus 2nd Round Stoa and Frazee and then Bailey in the 3rd Round. Add in 87s/88s from that team in this year's draft--Kessel, Mueller and Mitera. Now that's some talent and potential impact NHLers down the road.
Now I ask, does this years NTDP group compare to that? Not even close.
I may eat my words Sat night but I just don't see that many from this year's NTDPers going in the top 60.
David A. Rainer said:
Hey I wasn't knocking NTDP, it's an outstanding program. I just think the current crop of 88s coming out this year from NTDP isn't as good as some have hyped.
Take a snap shot of the 87s last year-- Jack Johnson and Skille top 5 overall plus 2nd Round Stoa and Frazee and then Bailey in the 3rd Round. Add in 87s/88s from that team in this year's draft--Kessel, Mueller and Mitera. Now that's some talent and potential impact NHLers down the road.
Now I ask, does this years NTDP group compare to that? Not even close.
I may eat my words Sat night but I just don't see that many from this year's NTDPers going in the top 60.
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cnyhockey said:
Take these two assertions to the bank:
1. Blake Geoffrion will be drafted in the 2nd round, likely the top half.
2. He will have a long NHL career as a defensive center/shutdown and PK specialist/character guy who can chip in offensively on occasion.
David A. Rainer
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cnyhockey said:
I was speaking to the author of the thread, not to your post. If he/she is interested in finding out information on the USNTDP, he/she should check out the three part article on nhl.com.
sk84fun_dc said:
The interesting thing I have found at checking that site is that they breakdown overall stats, and then the stats against NCAA teams. You can see some players really flourished against the non-NCAA teams to boost their stats, where as others, were higher up in scoring when you just look at the NCAA.
For instance, McBain clearly outscoures Summers in the overall stats, but just against the NCAA (bigger, more physical teams), Summers outscores McBain (who had 24 of his 30 points against non-NCAA teams). It's just stats of course, but it provides some iinteresting nsight I think.
This years group will certainly do better than the '86's 2 years ago though, I seem to recall there were only about 5 drafted from that NTDP class.cnyhockey said:
Eating A Little Crow
You nailed that one.
I got the skinny on Strait going in the 3rd right.
Ratchuk was a shock to go so early, but boy can that kid skate and dish it.
Overall a very good year for USA Hockey depth wise for the 88s off the NTDP U18 team but not as many 1st Rounders as the 87 group when you add in Kessel, Mitera and Foligno with last year's guys.
Juan said:
You nailed that one.
I got the skinny on Strait going in the 3rd right.
Ratchuk was a shock to go so early, but boy can that kid skate and dish it.
Overall a very good year for USA Hockey depth wise for the 88s off the NTDP U18 team but not as many 1st Rounders as the 87 group when you add in Kessel, Mitera and Foligno with last year's guys.
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