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arrbez said:
I really havn't heard much in the way of separating lately...

It would be a shame to change the name of such a storied franchise to the Montreal Quebeciens...but c'est la vie, non?

Anyways, untill the Q decides to produce a defenseman or two, their international team would be in trouble

Common misconception: "Canadien" was the common moniker of French Canadians when the team was formed in 1909. The Habs (habitants) were established to represent the french population. Thus, their name may be grandfathered in the event of a national schism!
 

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Vallieres was the spokesman and lead idealogue of the group, but yes, his hands are not clean.

Listen, I am in no way endorsing the FLQ. I grew up in Westmount. One of the mailboxes in front of my elementary school was bombed. You must understand though, that circumstances surrounding the October Crisis are ugly on all sides. Many members of the FLQ were socialist patriots who got swept up in events specific to that era. Think for example of the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, etc...

I found myself at that bar that night purely by chance and, if you really want to know, defended Canadian unity (in French) to a less than receptive crowd.

The FLQ was an amateur organisation that yearned to be a big player on the revolutionary map, and many of its members were disgusted and shocked by the murder of Pierre Laporte.

My onetime drinking companions were self-imagined patriots who ended up behaving like terrorists. I find that abhorrent. But I would still follow my curiosity if such an occasion presented itself again (and I haven't even told you about the time I sat in on a meeting with one of Osama bin Laden's brothers!).
Now THAT i'd love to hear about!! Osama's brother? Must have been interesting.

I could'nt have been there and had it end well,not while drinking beer anyway.
 

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Now THAT i'd love to hear about!! Osama's brother? Must have been interesting.

I could'nt have been there and had it end well,not while drinking beer anyway.

That's no big thing. How many brothers does he have anyway, like 200? ;)
 

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therealdeal said:
Are you going to cheer for Canada if Bertuzzi doesn't play?

At this pace he's not gonna make the team anyways.

We will see if he makes the team. If he dosent.....then probably.
 

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I wonder how many Quebecois players would play for Team Canada instead of Team Quebec? I can't really see a guy like Martin Broduer dropping the Maple Leaf to pick up a Fluer-de-lis just because the province he was born in is now a new country.

You'd probably see alot of bubble players like Tanguay playing for Quebec cause they couldn't make Team Canada, but the guys like Lecavailer?

Anyway, it'd be Hockey Canada that has developed all these Quebecios players, so it'd be a few decades till Quebec could really call all it's players all it's own product.
 

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Well I don't know if Quebec is going to seperate are not, but if they were to. Would players born in Quebec have a choose if they wanted to compete under the Quebec banner or the Canadian. For example, at the Salt Lake Olympics Mario Lemuiex looked pretty proud to be a canadian skating at center ice draped in the Canadain flag
 

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Injektilo said:
I wonder how many Quebecois players would play for Team Canada instead of Team Quebec? I can't really see a guy like Martin Broduer dropping the Maple Leaf to pick up a Fluer-de-lis just because the province he was born in is now a new country.

You'd probably see alot of bubble players like Tanguay playing for Quebec cause they couldn't make Team Canada, but the guys like Lecavailer?

Anyway, it'd be Hockey Canada that has developed all these Quebecios players, so it'd be a few decades till Quebec could really call all it's players all it's own product.

I think players in that situation would go on gut rather than reason. The question would not be "what's better for my career", but rather "where does my heart lay?"

The majority would probably choose Quebec. That's just the nature of Quebec society these days, very inwardly patriotic.

I think there would be a few players to stick with Canada though. Just based on observation, Mario Lemiux and Martin St. Louis are very patriotic towards Canada. Whenever I see an interview with St. Louis, he always mentions what an honour it is to play for his country. I've seen this in several instances.
 

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Yes Im Peter Ing said:
Good to see you plan on sticking by your "beliefs".


As long as he is there. Yeah. If he isnt there I will probably support team canada. I feel more of a Qubecois than a canadian, but quebec is in canada right? Yeah. They arent separate yet. So it makes sense to support them. How is that so hard to understand?
 

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CTBruins87 said:
As long as he is there. Yeah. If he isnt there I will probably support team canada. I feel more of a Qubecois than a canadian, but quebec is in canada right? Yeah. They arent separate yet. So it makes sense to support them. How is that so hard to understand?

If you really felt that strongly about, the team wouldn't matter.
 

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GregStack said:
I won't support a Canadian National Team if Bertuzzi isn't on it. He's one of the best Canadian wingers, and as such should be on the team.

Why did you like watching Steve Moore? Was it the lack of talent and abilities? Or was it the fact that he hit Naslund? Anyone who appreciates Steve Moores game must also appreciate Aki Bergs game, in fact, that's unfair to Aki, he's a much better play than Moore ever was.
Right now, at this moment, Bertuzzi is FAR from being an elite player. He has 3 goals right now and 13 points total. There are so many more deserving players right now than Bertuzzi. If he gets into Team Canada this time around, Gretzky would lose a lot of my respect. Also, after seeing him on a couple of occasions at past World Championships, I can honestly say that he's pretty much useless, if not a liability on the big ice surface.
 

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CTBruins87 said:
And who are you to tell me how to support my teams?

If you don't want to support Canada, then don't. But then quit trying to base it on some sort of logical argument, because that's obviously something you don't have.
 

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Canuck21t said:
Right now, at this moment, Bertuzzi is FAR from being an elite player. He has 3 goals right now and 13 points total. There are so many more deserving players right now than Bertuzzi. If he gets into Team Canada this time around, Gretzky would lose a lot of my respect. Also, after seeing him on a couple of occasions at past World Championships, I can honestly say that he's pretty much useless, if not a liability on the big ice surface.

This stuff again eh...

Somehow when Bryan McCabe was leading the league with 15 points, people claimed he didn't deserve on the team because it was the first time he'd ever done it, and he wouldn't keep up with that pace. Then when Bertuzzi does the opposite, and has a slow start, he shouldn't be on, because he can't put up points.

Jarome Iginla is the only Canadian winger that you can debate taking before him.
 

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B Boarding said:
What would a possible Quebecroster look like for the 2006 Olympics?
Would be very interesting to see...

Team Quebec
Pros:

great goaltending
lots of speed and skill

Cons:

mediocre defence
little physical play


Tanguay - Lecavalier - St. Louis
Gagne - Lemieux - Briere
Daze - Bergeron - Ribeiro
Robitaille - Turgeon - Walker

Desjardins - Gauthier
Brisebois - Boucher
Bergeron - Dandenault

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

Did I miss anyone?



and just for fun I'm gonna make Team Ontario


Nash - Thornton - Bertuzzi
Shanahan - Spezza - Sullivan
Stillman - Staal - Horton
Torres - Lindros - O'Neill
(or line 4 could be the "grind line": Maltby, Draper, Peca, Madden)

Pronger - Jovanovski
Blake - Foote
McCabe - Boynton/Eminger/Boyle

Turco
Legace
Joseph
 
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GregStack said:
Jarome Iginla is the only Canadian winger that you can debate taking before him.

well...there's probably a couple more than Iginla. Simon Gagne and Dany Heatley are probably #1 and #2 in terms of play so far for Canadian wingers. Not to mention the fact that some centres end up playing wing every time anways
 

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Tokyo Bucks said:
Wouldn't it depend on how Quebec citizenships are issued? Sort of like the post-Soviet republics.

I would think that the Canadian gov't would offer Canadian citizenship to any Quebecois who wanted it. There are some pretty proud Canadians in Quebec, and I'll bet most of them would want to stay Canadian.
 

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Yes Im Peter Ing said:
I think players in that situation would go on gut rather than reason. The question would not be "what's better for my career", but rather "where does my heart lay?"

The majority would probably choose Quebec. That's just the nature of Quebec society these days, very inwardly patriotic.

I think there would be a few players to stick with Canada though. Just based on observation, Mario Lemiux and Martin St. Louis are very patriotic towards Canada. Whenever I see an interview with St. Louis, he always mentions what an honour it is to play for his country. I've seen this in several instances.

Well that's the thing, it would all depend on which country the players consider theirs. I'm not sure that most of them would even have considered the question before. Some/most of these guys have played for Team Canada quite a few times already, and have grown up with the collective national stories of hockey being the Canadian game and an important part of the Canadian identity, so perhaps they'd feel they're important parts of that...

But yeah, in the end, it'd probably come down to which country they feel greater allegiance to.

I just hope we never have to think about this on any level other than the hypothetical.
 

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arrbez said:
Team Quebec
Pros:

great goaltending
lots of speed and skill

Cons:

mediocre defence
little physical play

Man, Quebec should have it's own hockey federation and be allowed to field its own team, as part of the "unique society" deal with Canada. It'd be sort of like the UK fielding England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales teams for soccer, rugby, etc. That would make international hockey that much more exciting :)
 

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Tokyo Bucks said:
Man, Quebec should have it's own hockey federation and be allowed to field its own team, as part of the "unique society" deal with Canada. It'd be sort of like the UK fielding England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales teams for soccer, rugby, etc. That would make international hockey that much more exciting :)


I think so too. In soccer, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland aren't any big contenders. But Quebec would be in hockey if you look at what players they've got. Suddenly there will be 8 good nations, that would be good for international icehockey.

I would be great watching Quebec and Canada play. It would be like Barcelona vs Real Madrid in soccer!
 

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arrbez said:
Team Quebec
Pros:

great goaltending
lots of speed and skill

Cons:

mediocre defence
little physical play


Tanguay - Lecavalier - St. Louis
Gagne - Lemieux - Briere
Daze - Bergeron - Ribeiro
Robitaille - Turgeon - Walker

Desjardins - Gauthier
Brisebois - Boucher
Bergeron - Dandenault

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

Did I miss anyone?

Notables missing - Most of them wouldn't make the team, I just pointing names like that.


D Francis Bouillon (I don't know if he has double citizenship... If he had, he would fall in Quebec)
D Jonathan Girard
F Jean Pierre Dumont
F Donald Brashear
F Martin Gelinas
C Yannic Perreault
F Martin Lapointe
F Steve Begin (i'd like to see a Gelinas-Begin-Lapointe line...)
C Pierre-Marc Bouchard
F Alexandre Daigle




BTW, Luc Bourdon isn't from Quebec
 
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