Quebec City and Winnipeg

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  1. Zednik

    Zednik Registered User

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    Let's say the lock out lasts for at least 1 full season. I heard that as many as 5 teams could be in bankruptcy if it happens. Do you think that this could bring back some TRUE hockey markets like Quebec and Winnipeg into the NHL ?
     
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    By saying that you are implying that Phoenix isnt a true hockey market? Do u have any idea how many "snow birds" we have here during the winter? Not to mention that we have a solid base of hockey fans in this city and state. If you can have hockey in Cali, then you can have hockey in AZ. Winnipeg had issues, and Phonecians love their Yotes. The Yotes are stayin.
     
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    He didn't mention Phoenix at all.
     
  4. Zednik

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    Calm down ! I never said Phoenix would be removed :shakehead
     
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    I doubt there will be team who will be moved any time soon.
     
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    Winnipeg had money issues. They had hordes and hordes of fans.
    I've rarely seen a full phoenix arena (granted, I havent seen many games there either)

    As for your snow birds, do you really think they're fans of the phoenix coyotes? if so, why is your building not filled with them? why would they care anyways, it's not their city and the team sucks

    I say move them back to winnipeg with a new financial system
     
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    waffledave waffledave, from hf

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    I don't think many people would miss the Yotes if they went back to Winnepeg. The team has no history, and if the team left you wouldn't see the uproar caused like when the Jets left.
     
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    Yeah, just like the less than league average attendance that used to go to watch the Jets when they were in the league.

    Quebec yes...Winnipeg not a chance.
     
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    Quebec City's has to build an arena that actually can host an NHL game. The Colisee just doesn't cut it.

    Winnipeg has the MTS Centre, but it's only 15,015, but does have expansion possibilities upwards of 18,000.

    My guess, under Bettman; if we're lucky, two teams will be moved.
     
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    The Yotes will stay, but live in the real world: Phoenix Arizona is not a hockey market at all... unless youve figured out a way to make Ice form naturally in the open desert and are keeping it from us all. :joker:
     
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    How many NHL players are from Arizona? A zero. Compare this number to number of players from Manitoba and Quebec. NHL clubs should be where hockey talents are born and grow. I think these places are "true hockey markets".
     
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    nomorekids The original, baby

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    There's always the Quebec Senior Hockey League. Go watch your homegrown talent there.
     
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    you are kidding me. A hockey market is any market where people will pay to see a game. You probably also cried fould when the Expos left, saying mlb let them down. Well, by your logic, they weren't a baseball market at all. Winnipeg and Quebec City are just too small and can't generate the revenue you need. will you sell out every game? yes. will you make loads off of merchandise? yes. will you be able to charge 120 + for tickets? no. will you be able to get any sort of tv contract? no. So in effect Phoenix is a much better market than either of those two because they can generate revenue.
     
  15. I beg to differ. I live in Phoenix and no one gives a rats about the Coyotes or hockey in general. For every one hockey fan you have 1000 that hate the sport. Durin the Stanley Cup last year I could not find one bar that would put the game on the TV and leave it on. There was always something more important on like the Diamondbacks getting their butts handed to them every night. The fact is that the snow birds come down here to get away from the smow and everfything that reminds them of the snow. They have golf clubs, not hockey sticks, in their hands and don't care to talk about the game. They admit that. They followed it when they were up north, but they don't care anymore now that they are in their twilight years. They have more important things to worry about than NHL hockey.
     
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    Classy.
     
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    Thanks.
     
  18. Instead of relocating franchises to fail elsewhere, they should just let them die. 24 is the maximum number of franchises that should be in the NHL.
     
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    If Quebec and Winipeg could be back and be able to survive it would be better for the NHL.
     
  20. Survive isn't good enough. They need to be profitable. I really wish Winnipeg had built the arena to proper NHL standards though. It would have made their argument that they could handle an NHL franchise stronger. It is one thing to say they can expand the building, but the Winnipeg Arena was expanded and the biggest complain about that arena was the sightlines, mainly due to the expansion. If their attendance had been at or over the NHL average, it would have made their argument more compelling.
    I really feel for the fans of Quebec though. Their problems were due to governmental issues, mainly taxation. They also suffered extremely poor ownership. Barry Shankerow did an admirable job in his attempt to save the Jets. The Nords were hung out to dry.

    Also, JC Penny. Could you elaborate on why the NHL would be better?
     
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    I was sporting my Wings hat when i was in Phoenix a month ago and got a couple of Red Wings suck so it might have a chance ;)
     
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    You just accurately described the general state of hockey in the USA.
     
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    Quebec and Winnipeg are Hockey addicted fans. They would do anything for their team. I watched a show 2 weeks ago where a Canadian went to tampa bay with a Lecavalier shirt and none of them could tell the name the team. That says it all. If Quebec and Winnipeg under a good CBA and a canadian dollar doing good could survive and actually make money it could only be good for the NHL.
     
  24. Tampa's building was jammed and extremely noisy during the cup final. That said it all, IMO.

    Whether they in Tampa stick with the team if it goes into decline will tell the story, but the young talent the team has suggests that won't happen for another 10-12 years.

    Quebec fans I totally agree. Winnipeg though,was almost never (while in the league) at or over the average in attendance. The fans of Winnipeg are grossly over rated, IMO.
     
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    I find this statement foolish.

    In all 30 of the NHL markets, how many of them have "ice form naturally in the open" from mid-September to late June?

    What a joke.

    People don't realize it, but Phoenix has been a hockey market for many years no doubt to the snowbirds that come. While the Coyotes were the only game in town now, there have been numerous other hockey teams in the past, minor league of course, dating back 30 years. The biggest problem for Phoenix is the lifestyle, because there is too much to do and people don't have to go to the arena to spend their time. The market is split in many divisions of entertainment and leisure, and you can make the same comparison in Florida and California really.

    It's pretty simple, the system works. If Phoenix can't sustain a hockey team, and the team moves, then they are not a professional hockey market.
     
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