"Project" prospects

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  1. OHLArenaGuide

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    I'm hoping for a little bit of history on prospects that were considered "projects" at the time they were drafted. Usually a "project" kid can be considered to mean "a kid who's really not very good at hockey at all but has some potential".

    I watched Matt Pelech for half a season and I still haven't figured out why anyone ever thought he was a first round pick, he takes dozens of needless penalties, puts up no points, is injury-prone and can't really skate. He's just one example.

    My question is: How many "project" guys ever went on to become what those who drafted them projected them to be? Historically speaking, is taking a risk on a project a good or bad move?

    I'm not interested in current prospects, only in historical trends.
     
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    Excellent question, though your definition of a "project" is so so.

    Current "projects": Andrei Kostitsyn comes to mind.
     
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    Gordie Baldwin, Matt Keetley and Darren Helm.

    All three of them can become good NHLers...but they are projects.
     
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    Perhaps I should clarify - I'm not asking about current prospects, I'm asking about former projects who eventually developed well and had solid careers.

    I don't wish to pick on Pelech either, I just used him as an example.
     
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    Ryan O'Byrne is one and he'll reach what Habs project him to be .
     
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    could I please use your crystal ball sometime?
     
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    When I think of 'project' Prospects I think of guys with lots of natural talent, but with a flaw (or flaws) in their game that could keep them out of the NHL should they not overcome them.

    Examples:
    Bobby Ryan - Speed
    Steve Bernier - Conditioning
    O'Sullivan - Off ice issues
    Ect. ect.

    Guys like Andrei Kostitsyn or Lukas Kaspar arn't so much projects, just guys that have failed hard since draft day and are a real longshot to reach a fraction of the potential scouts thought they had.
     
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    Another person who didn't read the question or the clarification of the question... anyone else?

    Come on people, I asked about historical prospects. Guys who were drafted 15-20 years ago or more and eventually developed into top NHLers. I want to know about historical trends, not whether or not Current Prospect A will ever become what Poster B thinks he will.
     
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    He seems to be racking up the points this year, 18pts in 25 games, not to shabby for a dman that puts up no points.
     
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    Zdeno Chara, i dont know how he was regarded as a prospect but he was certainly a project when he first reached the NHL.
     
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    andrew ladd. boris valabik (? forgot his name-thrashers would be chara clone). i think jordan staal qualifies, regardless of how good he has played, he's still not close to being what he could be.
     
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    when Yan Stastny was drafted he was considered a project.

    Jurcina too.

    and Tallackson, though he hasn't really arrived in the NHL yet.
     
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    Can a long shot be considered a project? Or are you looking for examples of players that toiled thru the minors until they developed and made it? Because each season players are drafted in the later rounds that develope into good/great NHLers.
     
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    Doug Crossman, Round 6, 1979:

    Underrated not only as a prospect, but his entire NHL career, Crossman's defensive game and skating were seen as potential problems. However, his 63 points in 67games for the 67s during his draft year made the Blackhawks think he would be the answer to their PP QBing woes. His effort and overall game, coupled with drastic improvement, made him into a viable NHL player and he quickly lived up to his potential- although he would only do so for the Hawks for two seasons.

    Andy Moog, Round 7, 1980:

    Tiny, but quick and incredibly skilled, the Penticton native had several very good performances behind very bad teams. The Oilers took a risk on him late in a deep draft, finding his 'don't let the next goal in' mindset perfect for the team they were building. They came away winners, thanks in large part to Moog's willingness to add muscle.

    Zdeno Chara, Round 3, 1996:

    The Islanders felt Chara's size alone would make him a Norris candidate one day, and they were right- although massive leaps in footspeed and a change of teams was required before the Slovakian would round out his game.
     
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    The only player I can pull up (and this goes back a few years) is Dave Taylor. At the time when the Kings drafted him I think they felt that maybe he was project, after all they drafted him in the 15th round. Though I can't say with absolute certainty. Taylor only went on to have a very successful NHL career. I know that he had a great collegiate career at Clarkson.
     
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    Freddie Modin and Nik Antropov?
     
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    talk about not knowing what your talking about... if you want to
    play that game well

    Kostitsyn- health issiues, language problems, north american game adaption, vision

    is there alot of flaws in his game ? h*ll yeah there is! But everyone knew from the start, and i mean before he was drafted, a project. His skills, shot and balance is undeniable. Good thing is that all of those flaws can and will be corrected, it's just a matter of time, he's already alot better then before, had a hell of a camp and would of made 75% of the NHL team's roster, but Habs have alot of depth at wing( Higgins, Ryder, Latendresse, Kovalev, Samsonov, Perezhogin, Johnson....) He has to out perform them to earn a shot on the team even if he is NHL ready

    Habs when we drafted him, we were hoping for a n.4 to n.6 defensmen with size, speed, physical and a good slapshot and that's what he's becoming, having a great year in the AHL as a rookie with the Bulldogs

    ROOKIE CHARGERS: you have the criteria to be an a**
     
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    Michael Ryder of the Canadiens comes to mind, 8 round 216. After some seasons in ECHL and AHL he made his debut at age 23 in 2003. I think there where a lot of questionmarks at draftday eg his skating. But the habs saw his potential and didn't rush him in to the lineup.

    Hope this helps
     
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    Interesting names.

    You always hear "he's a prospect" around draft time and I guess I was just interested in whether or not drafting such kids was wise. It obviously can pay off with the right kid.
     
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    I think that the projects you are looking for are 1rst rounders...

    Those who come to my mind :

    Steve Bernier
    Kopitar
    Vanek (maybe)
     
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    Todd Bertuzzi anyone? He hadn't done much in NYI before we got him at around age 24...
     
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    Pelech reminds me a lot of Robyn Regehr. Needs a few years in the AHL but he'll be solid. Remember, Reggie was a lower pairing defenceman until Sutter lit a fire under his *** and he got a mean streak in 2003, and he's still developing. Pelech was very underrated on draft day, because he was "injury prone" (two freak incidents) and because he was one of, if not the, youngest players drafted. So he lost some development time, but he has a tonne left and he'll need it. Still, he's got good potential, just needs to work on his skating and smarts, two things I'm sure will be addressed in the A.
     
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    Nigel WIlliams - Colorado
    Wes O'Neill - NYIslanders
    Geoff Paukovich - Edmonton
    Bruce Graham - NYRangers
    Brian Boyle - Los Angeles
     
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    Surprised nobody's mentioned Luc Robitaille yet. Unbelievable finishing ability but nobody thought he could skate well enough to make it in the NHL, and he lasted until the 9th round. Took him a couple of years in the Q with Hull after he was drafted before he made the big club and you can see that he worked out for sure.
     
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    what about naslund from pittsburgh? didn't really do much until his mid-20's

    brian boyle could be a project for the kings right now
     

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