Speculation: Potential destinations for Grubauer?

[CREW99AW]

heh , you read my mind . for the past few weeks I've wondered if the Blues would consider trading Allen and going with resigning Hutton and one of your up and coming rookies (no idea who that guy could be , I'll use Husso as a name drop).

no problem from my end giving up ''one of'' 11th or 12th overall for Allen and whatever +/- add ons Lou and your gm could think of .

This the same struggling Allen, who crapped the bed this season?

Kind of curious. If a struggling, disappointing Allen is worth 12OV, what would Allen be worth if he was not struggling and disappointing?


Even with vote of confidence from Blues, Allen knows he must improve

 

[Isles72]

This the same struggling Allen, who crapped the bed this season?

Kind of curious. If a struggling, disappointing Allen is worth 12OV, what would Allen be worth if he was not struggling and disappointing?


Even with vote of confidence from Blues, Allen knows he must improve

meh , I have a pretty good eye for goaltending so I'll just leave it at that .

 

[CREW99AW]

meh , I have a pretty good eye for goaltending so I'll just leave it at that .

Yeah. Let's leave it at that

 

[Isles72]

Yeah. Let's leave it at that

why cant you just let someones 2 cents stand without getting crabby man ? you spend all day here defending the isles over other members trade ideas with a chip on your shoulder

 

[CREW99AW]

why cant you just let someones 2 cents stand without getting crabby man ? you spend all day here defending the isles over other members trade ideas with a chip on your shoulder

Don't get pissy because I asked about your eagerness to overpay for Allen.

 

[Isles72]

Don't get pissy because I asked about your eagerness to overpay for Allen.

I dont think 12th ov for a goaltender of Allens calibre is overpaying at all . He's only 27 , locked in at 4.35 for three more seasons ; seems like a pretty good deal for a guy that can bridge the sorokin-soderstrom gap and someone Lou would target instead of Grubauer if Armstrong made him available . Allen has excellent technique for his size . Yeah , we all see his struggles at times but he runs hot more often that cold ; what do you expect when your looking at goalies a notch below the elite ones ?

 

[CREW99AW]

I dont think 12th ov for a goaltender of Allens calibre is overpaying at all . He's only 27 , locked in at 4.35 for three more seasons ; seems like a pretty good deal for a guy that can bridge the sorokin-soderstrom gap and someone Lou would target instead of Grubauer if Armstrong made him available . Allen has excellent technique for his size . Yeah , we all see his struggles at times but he runs hot more often that cold ; what do you expect when your looking at goalies a notch below the elite ones ?

I would have preferred this explanation for what I see as an overpayment.
Allen's a talented goalie, with consistency issues. 12OV imo is an overpayment.
Schneider a 26 yr old potential franchise goalie, bought back 9OV. 27 yr old Andersen bought back a late 1st. I do not think either showed the inconsistency of Allen.

Btw, my kids/grandkids think I am crabby. I am not. Do not lnow why people think that.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

So Islanders fans would prefer a Jake Allen over a Philip Grubauer.

Jake Allen, 27, years old, 4.35 mil salary, 219 games played, 2.47 gaa, .913 save percentage
Philip Grubauer, 26 years old, RFA, 101 games played, 2.29 gaa, .923 save percentage

 

[CupHolders]

I would have preferred this explanation for what I see as an overpayment.
Allen's a talented goalie, with consistency issues. 12OV imo is an overpayment.
Schneider a 26 yr old potential franchise goalie, bought back 9OV. 27 yr old Andersen bought back a late 1st. I do not think either showed the inconsistency of Allen.

Btw, my kids/grandkids think I am crabby. I am not. Do not lnow why people think that.

I gotta agree with “Crabby” CREW99AW. Jake Allen has great tools but he is wildly inconsistent.

 

[CupHolders]

So Islanders fans would prefer a Jake Allen over a Philip Grubauer.

Lol. Yep, because, that ONE Islander fan is speaking on behalf of all Islander fans.

 

[CupHolders]

By the way, Would a deal built on a conditional pick work for Grubauer?

Prospect and 2018 2nd/3rd rd pick (depends on prospect). A conditional 2nd rd (2019) becomes a 1st if Isles make the playoffs.

 

[BA Carroll]

For the Blues, I would love to see Allen packaged in a deal for a forward, and then I'd like to see Hutton and Grubauer signed to matching 3 year contracts.

I think Allen is better than both Hutton and Grubauer, but for whatever reason the Blues weren't giving him the same goal support that they did Hutton (or Elliot before him), and there's hard feelings over it. It's time to change the atmosphere in the locker room, and dealing Allen would be a big part of making that happen.

Grubauer and Hutton would be a good tandem--they each have something to prove--and would push each other well.

 

[boredmale]

Boredmale posted the players/picks involved in the Reaves trade.

He was traded for the last pick in the 1st round. You comparing a top 12OV to 31stOV and saying they are close in value?

Actually my point was he was traded to move up from 51st to 31st, not an outright 1st round pick

 

[Jester9881]

Grubauer would be my #1 target for the Islanders, but I'm not keen on spending the 12 over all on him. Does his price tag come down if the Islanders also take Orpik to free up some of your cap?

 

[periferal]

So Islanders fans would prefer a Jake Allen over a Philip Grubauer.

Jake Allen, 27, years old, 4.35 mil salary, 219 games played, 2.47 gaa, .913 save percentage
Philip Grubauer, 26 years old, RFA, 101 games played, 2.29 gaa, .923 save percentage

Most smart Islanders fans don't want either.

 

[periferal]

By the way, Would a deal built on a conditional pick work for Grubauer?

Prospect and 2018 2nd/3rd rd pick (depends on prospect). A conditional 2nd rd (2019) becomes a 1st if Isles make the playoffs.

Good idea, but the condition should be IF the Isles make the playoffs and IF Grubauer maintains a .900+ save percentage in the playoffs...


Philipp Grubauer Career PLAYOFF Stats

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2017-2018	WSH	2	2	0	1	--	--	49	8	4.57	41	.837	0	105
2016-2017	WSH	1	0	0	0	--	--	9	2	6.46	7	.778	0	19
2014-2015	WSH	1	1	1	0	--	--	21	3	3.00	18	.857	0	60
Career	-	4	3	1	1	--	--	79	13	4.24	66	.835	0	184

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[CREW99AW]

For the Blues, I would love to see Allen packaged in a deal for a forward, and then I'd like to see Hutton and Grubauer signed to matching 3 year contracts.

I think Allen is better than both Hutton and Grubauer, but for whatever reason the Blues weren't giving him the same goal support that they did Hutton (or Elliot before him), and there's hard feelings over it. It's time to change the atmosphere in the locker room, and dealing Allen would be a big part of making that happen.

Grubauer and Hutton would be a good tandem--they each have something to prove--and would push each other well.

I have read Hutton wants to be a starting goalie,that while the Blues want to extend him, he wants to test the market.

If the Isles are not expecting Grubauer to come on and play a lot of minutes ( and listening to Staple it sounds like he would be splitting games evenly with Griess), I would be interested in signing Hutton instead of trading for Grubauer. Now maybe Lou's plan for Grubauer's playing time is different then how Staple envisions it.

 

[artilector]

Grubauer would be my #1 target for the Islanders, but I'm not keen on spending the 12 over all on him. Does his price tag come down if the Islanders also take Orpik to free up some of your cap?

I don't know man, we have your 12 OA all penciled in as far as our future plans, haha.
Btw, I think a Caps beat reporter tweeted smth like Caps would be lucky to get a 3rd for Gruby... weird.
Perhaps nobody really has any idea what his price is gonna end up being.
I do think that if some team gets him for a 2nd, that's a steal. Dude has solid #1 potential, IMO.

 

[boredmale]

I don't know man, we have your 12 OA all penciled in as far as our future plans, haha.
Btw, I think a Caps beat reporter tweeted smth like Caps would be lucky to get a 3rd for Gruby... weird.
Perhaps nobody really has any idea what his price is gonna end up being.
I do think that if some team gets him for a 2nd, that's a steal. Dude has solid #1 potential, IMO.

I think it's fair to say Grubauer's value ranges somewhere between Andersen(30 + future 2nd rounder that looked to be a mid 2nd due to the leafs having 3 2nds in 2017 and the deal was Anaheim gets the middle one) and Talbot(57, 79 and 184)

Now I don't expect Grubauer to get as low as Talbot, but in I also don't think he will get the 2nd rounder Anaheim got for Andersen

 

[MW6]

Boredmale posted the players/picks involved in the Reaves trade.

He was traded for the last pick in the 1st round. You comparing a top 12OV to 31stOV and saying they are close in value?

Did I? I’m pretty sure i wrote that Grubauer could fetch something likes Reaves did. But to answer your question, No I don’t think 12 and 31 is close in value.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

I think it's fair to say Grubauer's value ranges somewhere between Andersen(30 + future 2nd rounder that looked to be a mid 2nd due to the leafs having 3 2nds in 2017 and the deal was Anaheim gets the middle one) and Talbot(57, 79 and 184)

Now I don't expect Grubauer to get as low as Talbot, but in I also don't think he will get the 2nd rounder Anaheim got for Andersen

Since your brought up Fred Andersen, when Toronto traded for Andersen his body of work was a total of 125 regular season games, with his best season being 13/14 where he had a 2.29 gaa and .923 sv pct. in 28 games. The ensuing two seasons with Anaheim his work load increased but so did his gaa and his sv pct going down, with it at 2.38 and .914 in 14/15 and 2.30 and .919 in 15/16.

Grubauer's NHL stats are 101 games, 2.29 gaa and a .923 sv pct.. Grubauer is currently the age 26 that Andersen was when dealt to Toronto. So actually Grubauer's NHL stats are better than Andersen when Lou traded the 30 and the 2nd rounder for him.

 

[boredmale]

Grubauer's NHL stats are 101 games, 2.29 gaa and a .923 sv pct.. Grubauer is currently the age 26 that Andersen was when dealt to Toronto. So actually Grubauer's NHL stats are better than Andersen when Lou traded the 30 and the 2nd rounder for him.

Andersen also had a very respectable playoff record(at least for 2 of his 3 years), nothing in Grubauer short playoff record this season instills confidence in him to me

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ns-for-grubauer.2502845/page-8#post-146960769

Andersen

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2013-2014	ANA	7	7	3	2	--	--	189	19	3.10	170	.899	0	368
2014-2015	ANA	16	16	11	5	--	--	472	41	2.34	431	.913	1	1,050
2015-2016	ANA	5	5	3	2	--	--	132	7	1.41	125	.947	1	297

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Philipp Grubauer Stats and News

Grubauer

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2014-2015	WSH	1	1	1	0	--	--	21	3	3.00	18	.857	0	60
2016-2017	WSH	1	0	0	0	--	--	9	2	6.46	7	.778	0	19
2017-2018	WSH	2	2	0	1	--	--	49	8	4.57	41	.837	0	105
Career	-	4	3	1	1	--	--	79	13	4.24	66	.835	0	184

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I would argue that is the difference of the 30th pick vs 30th pick and a 2nd rounder

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Andersen also had a very respectable playoff record(at least for 2 of his 3 years), nothing in Grubauer short playoff record this season instills confidence in him to me

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ns-for-grubauer.2502845/page-8#post-146960769

Andersen

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2013-2014	ANA	7	7	3	2	--	--	189	19	3.10	170	.899	0	368
2014-2015	ANA	16	16	11	5	--	--	472	41	2.34	431	.913	1	1,050
2015-2016	ANA	5	5	3	2	--	--	132	7	1.41	125	.947	1	297

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Philipp Grubauer Stats and News

Grubauer

WSH	1	1	1	0	--	--	21	3	3.00	18	.857	0	60
2016-2017	WSH	1	0	0	0	--	--	9	2	6.46	7	.778	0	19
2017-2018	WSH	2	2	0	1	--	--	49	8	4.57	41	.837	0	105
Career	-	4	3	1	1	--	--	79	13	4.24	66	.835	0	184

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That probably can also be said of Pekka Rinne, Matt Murray, Andrie Vasilevsky, Bobrovsky and some others about these last playoffs.

I don't envision Grubauer garnering a high round 1 return, however a comparable return to what Andersen garnered seems fair. Buffalo's 2nd this year (#32) and 2nd in 2019 or Detroit's first at #30 this year and the Isles 2nd rounder that they have for next season or the Blues first rounder at #28 this year along with Zach Sanford.

 

[Tripod]

Buffalo seems like a match

 

[hb12xchamps]

Just over 24 hours until we see if Grubauer is moved before the draft. Islanders rumors will probably heat up at this point with the Trotz news