Seven_Nation_Army said:
John Flyers Fan said:So the players will have absoltely no leverage until they're 30 years of age .... arbitration needs to be modified, but tossing it out is just going to lead to alot more holdouts.
HckyFght said:Poile might make a good commish!
-HckyFght
John Flyers Fan said:So the players will have absoltely no leverage until they're 30 years of age .... arbitration needs to be modified, but tossing it out is just going to lead to alot more holdouts.
John Flyers Fan said:God knows he can't be any worse than he's been a GM.
nomorekids said:Getting a THIRD ROUND PICK for Andy Delmore?
I mean, he didn't acquire any Sean Burkes or Jeff Hacketts..and he didn't toss away a top defensive prospect for a month or two of Mike Comrie...but I agree with most that Poile is one of the more underrated GMs in the league.
John Flyers Fan said:You seem to have forgotten that he was a GM before Nashville even existed. Had a bunch of nice teams in Washington, but never did anything that could get them over the hump.
... he also gave up a 3rd round pick to aquire Andy Delmore ...
nomorekids said:Andy Delmore that was utilized in a situation which scored him 16 goals and 18 goals, two straight years. That seems worth a third to me. When the league had keyed in on how weak defensively he was and how to stop his ape-with-a-hard-shot MO, he flipped him for what we paid. Poile can hardly be blamed for Washington's woes, if you can call them that. He turned a perennial cellar-dweller into a team that made the playoffs every year. when you look at the record of guys he drafted..everyone from Scott Stevens to Peter Bondra, it looks that much better. Poile does a lot with what he's given to work with.
John Flyers Fan said:Bottom line is that he's been a GM for over 20 years and has reached the 3rd round just twice.
Regardins Stevens, he was also the GM that decided ti let Stevens walk and accept the compensation.
nomorekids said:And Gonchar and Witt came from the compensatory picks. You can't blame Poile for losing Stevens, either. When a player wants a payday...it's up to the owner to OK it, and the Stevens situation was out of Poile's hands.
John Flyers Fan said:Bottom line is that he's been a GM for over 20 years and has reached the 3rd round just twice.
John Flyers Fan said:My mistake. Make that one time, and never to the Finals. I forgot he was booted before the Caps made their one Finals run.
nomorekids said:Regardless...I don't think you can put a team with so many high-caliber players, a team that..regardless of their lack of a cup...ALWAYS made the playoffs..and be a "bad" GM. His tenure proves it. Bad GMs don't last 15 years, and aren't snatched up immediately for a brand new franchise.
Seven_Nation_Army said:
HckyFght said:I'm for raising the UFA to 35.
Poile might make a good commish!
-HckyFght
John Flyers Fan said:So the players will have absoltely no leverage until they're 30 years of age .... arbitration needs to be modified, but tossing it out is just going to lead to alot more holdouts.
Mighty Duck said:And it only be fair that you have to sell your hot dogs for $1.3m bucks a year profit until you are 35, then you can do what you want, for who you want.
BAuldie said:Honestly, arbitration is just another fault of the owners. The arbitrator gives out his award based on other current NHL contracts that have been handed out to the owners.. If the owners could control themselves it, arbitration would work wonders.
Abolitioning it completely wouldn't work. The players would have ZERO leverage and thats not totally fair when you are dealing with a guy like Brian Burke or someone like him. Its his way or you sit out.
PecaFan said:Of course they have leverage. Withholding their services, until they get a deal that's satisfactory to both sides. You know, that "free market" thing, which players say they want.
Arbitration is essentially a third party making one of the sides agree to a deal he didn't really want to.
Arbitration should only come into effect when *both* sides agree to it, when they obviously can't come to an agreement, but both want it solved.
Marshall said:"Did the owner say he wouldn't match the money, or was it Poile's decsion to decide on the five #1's or Stevens ???"
It was the owner, Abe Pollin.
John Flyers Fan said:You seem to have forgotten that he was a GM before Nashville even existed. Had a bunch of nice teams in Washington, but never did anything that could get them over the hump.
... he also gave up a 3rd round pick to aquire Andy Delmore ...