Playoff Performers Voting Record - Kyle McMahon

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Round 1

Rank | Player | High/Low | Next
1 | Wayne Gretzky | |
2 | Patrick Roy | |
3 | Jean Beliveau | |
4 | Doug Harvey | |
5 | Maurice Richard | |
6 | Gordie Howe | |
7 | Henri Richard | |
8 | Mark Messier | |
9 | Denis Potvin | |
10 | Red Kelly | |
11 | Turk Broda | |
12 | Jacques Lemaire | Highest | Next at 29
13 | Mike Bossy | |
14 | Jacques Plante | |
15 | Larry Robinson | |
16 | Martin Brodeur | Highest | Next at 17
17 | Frank Boucher | |
18 | Frank Nighbor | |
19 | Serge Savard | |
20 | Nicklas Lidstrom | |
21 | Mario Lemieux | |
22 | Bobby Orr | |
23 | Clint Benedict | |
24 | Peter Forsberg | |
25 | Howie Morenz | Highest | Next at 26
26 | Guy Lafleur | |
27 | Duncan Keith | |
28 | Tim Horton | |
29 | Scott Stevens | |
30 | Frank McGee | |
31 | Ted Kennedy | |
32 | Yvan Cournoyer | |
33 | Dave Keon | |
34 | Bryan Trottier | |
35 | Brad Park | Highest | Next at 37
36 | George Hainsworth | Highest | Next at 42
37 | Terry Sawchuk | |
38 | Chris Chelios | |
39 | Ray Bourque | |
40 | Sergei Fedorov | |
41 | JC Tremblay | |
42 | Bernie Parent | |
43 | Bernie Geoffrion | |
44 | Jari Kurri | |
45 | Jack Darragh | |
46 | Jonathan Toews | |
47 | Joe Sakic | Lowest | Next at 36
48 | Patrick Kane | |
49 | Bobby Clarke | |
50 | Frank Foyston | |
51 | Pierre Pilote | |
52 | Johnny Bower | |
53 | Ernie Russell | Highest | Exclusive to List
54 | Paul Coffey | |
55 | King Clancy | |
56 | Cy Denneny | |
57 | Lester Patrick | |
58 | Bill Cook | Highest | Exclusive to List
59 | Bobby Hull | Lowest | Next at 54
60 | Harry Trihey | |

• Only list without Ken Dryden

Round 2

Vote | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th
1 | Harvey | Gretzky | Beliveau | Howe | Richard | Messier | Plante | Potvin | Orr | Roy
2 | Harvey | Kennedy | Messier | Kelly | Plante | Potvin | Orr | Robinson | Broda | Lemieux
3 | Kelly | Orr | Nighbor | Richard | Forsberg | Robinson | Broda | Lemieux | Lafleur | Bossy
4 | Nighbor | Richard | Forsberg | Robinson | Broda | Bossy | Trottier | Lidstrom | Stevens | Brodeur
5 | Robinson | Trottier | Lidstrom | Stevens | Fedorov | Boucher | Brodeur | Sawchuk | Dryden | McGee
6 | Savard | Kurri | Stevens | Fedorov | Boucher | McGee | Brodeur | Keith | Sawchuk | Hull
7 | Kurri | Lemaire | Stevens | Fedorov | McGee | Brodeur | Morenz | Keith | Hull | Sawchuk
8 | Lemaire | McGee | Keith | Morenz | Smith | Sawchuk | Benedict | Stanley | Horton | Coffey

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[MXD]

Was Dryden an oversight?
I really like the Orr, Lemieux and Bo. Hull placements in Round 1. You corrected afterwards, but you apparently had a hunch that their playoff resume was definitely inferior to their player' resume and were certainly not shy about it.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Nice List

Nice list, appreciate the effort putting it together.

The split between Gretzky and Lemieux is interesting, Two from the same cloth except for handedness and health issues.

Hainsworth is an interesting pick. Nearly made my list but there was very little beyond his great play during the Canadiens playoffs from 1929 to 1932.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Thoughts on my own list:

-I had Brodeur 16th? Not sure what got me so high on him in the initial process. I think he was ranked appropriately in the final project.

-I underrated Ted Kennedy, and overrated Turk Broda somewhat. More in-depth research in the voting rounds led me to more or less flip positions on those players.

-I sold Sakic and Hull a little short, but I still feel Sakic was clearly overrated on the final list. Hull was ranked reasonably.

-I would still have Lemaire firmly in my top 40, but 12 was probably excessive.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Was Dryden an oversight?
I really like the Orr, Lemieux and Bo. Hull placements in Round 1. You corrected afterwards, but you apparently had a hunch that their playoff resume was definitely inferior to their player' resume and were certainly not shy about it.

No, I was consciously aware that I omitted Dryden. I underrated his importance it would seem. As you can see, I had Lemaire, Robinson, Savard, and Cournoyer ranked quite a bit higher than most. In retrospect he would make my Top 60, though I suspect on the bottom half of it.

I was sold on Orr during the process. All those SI excerpts posted by overpass were revealing, so I'd move him up a little from his initial placement. Hull as well. Lemieux, not as much. Didn't really see much presented that makes me feel I underrated him.

Nice list, appreciate the effort putting it together.

The split between Gretzky and Lemieux is interesting, Two from the same cloth except for handedness and health issues.

Hainsworth is an interesting pick. Nearly made my list but there was very little beyond his great play during the Canadiens playoffs from 1929 to 1932.

I feel Gretzky was simply much more accomplished than Lemieux. More Cups, even more dominant during a couple of them, and 99 had several more historically significant playoff campaigns than 66. Health issues for Lemieux were unfortunate, but Gretzky gets credit for his durability.

I think my feeling on Hainsworth was that he ought to be near Parent on the list. In a do-over situation, I would probably lower his placement. Evaluating all the great 30's goaltenders would actually be an interesting sidebar. Gardiner, Connell, Thompson...no shortage of extra viable candidates that didn't come up for discussion.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Bernie Parent

No, I was consciously aware that I omitted Dryden. I underrated his importance it would seem. As you can see, I had Lemaire, Robinson, Savard, and Cournoyer ranked quite a bit higher than most. In retrospect he would make my Top 60, though I suspect on the bottom half of it.

I was sold on Orr during the process. All those SI excerpts posted by overpass were revealing, so I'd move him up a little from his initial placement. Hull as well. Lemieux, not as much. Didn't really see much presented that makes me feel I underrated him.





I feel Gretzky was simply much more accomplished than Lemieux. More Cups, even more dominant during a couple of them, and 99 had several more historically significant playoff campaigns than 66. Health issues for Lemieux were unfortunate, but Gretzky gets credit for his durability.

I think my feeling on Hainsworth was that he ought to be near Parent on the list. In a do-over situation, I would probably lower his placement. Evaluating all the great 30's goaltenders would actually be an interesting sidebar. Gardiner, Connell, Thompson...no shortage of extra viable candidates that didn't come up for discussion.

Like the Bernie Parent / George Hainsworth comparable.

Thirties NHL is an topic worth a lot of research especially starting with the original introduction of the Salary Cap for the 1932-33 season.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

What was your rational for jumping Harvey over Gretzky and Roy in Round 2?

 

[Kyle McMahon]

What was your rational for jumping Harvey over Gretzky and Roy in Round 2?

I liked Harvey's more consistent career, which is practically blemish-free. The Canadiens dynasty seemed to rise when he emerged, and swooned for a few years right after he left. I judged Harvey to be the most important piece of the 5-in-a-row team that steamrolled through the playoffs year after year.

I like to think I was quite consistent in my approach of punishing players for poor performances and/or years where their teams did not meet expectations. Gretzky does have several of these on his resume. His ability to out-score his defensive weaknesses was clearly diminishing by the time he was in LA.