Players Who Hurt Their Teams/Their Legacies By Not Retiring/Ending Their Careers Sooner

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  1. The Wizard of Oz

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    Not a huge deal considering the level of player but Dan Cleary held on way too long in Detroit and became a running joke his last few seasons. I didn't mind Tomas Holmstrom staying around past his expiration date because he was such a unique character. Maltby also became a whipping boy among fans but he was instrumental keeping Crosby preoccupied in 08.
     
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    This is pure revisionist history. Brodeur didn't do terribly at all in St. Louis. He played seven games, posted a 3-3 record with one shutout. He had a 2.87 GAA and an .899 save percentage. His last four years in New Jersey he put up a .903, .907, .901 and .901 save percentage. There wasn't really a drop off in St. Louis at all let alone "doing terribly."
     
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    I agree with this. His last great season statistically would be the 2009-10 season in which he also made the Canadian Olympic team.
    The next season, the Devils got off to a horrendous start and that really buried their chances of making the playoffs despite a hot finish. Even the next year when the Devils made it to the Finals, he improved on his stats, but Johan Hedberg, the back-up played really well and that's something that seems to be forgotten about their run.
    His last two years, it was clear that he was declining and back to his 2010-11 form, and by the 2013-14 season, most Devils fans wanted Cory Schneider to start the majority of their games.
     
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    It actually sort of looks like he finally took some tweezers to that unibrow.
     
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    Amonte and Roenick had ugly ends to their careers. Amonte on the Coyotes, Flames, Flyers just looked wrong as he faded away. Roenick a shell of his former self bouncing between the Kings, Coyotes again, and Sharks.
     
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    Roenick

    If he retires as a Flyer he gets seen a lot more favorably historically.

    Instead the last impression and image people have of him is 4 years of brutal, past his prime holding on play.

    LAK: 9-13-22
    PHX: 11-17-28
    SJS: 14-19-33
    SJS: 4-9-13

    so only 96 points in his last 238 games
     
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  7. The Roy Of Ottawa

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    Glenn Anderson needed two more goals for 500. He should have kept playing until he got it.
     
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    His attempted comeback with the Panthers aside, his final contract actually went.. ok.

    The first season he played with Ottawa went well. He was a key component of a strong second line (Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev) on a playoff team. Trouble was, he blew out his knee in the final week of the regular season.

    After missing much of the off season to rehab, his second season saw him lose a step, but the team was not a playoff team that year regardless due to other factors. On a personal note, he also topped 1000 pts that year.
     
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    Lanny McDonald scored his 500th very late into his last season and after he make his decision to retire at the end of the season.

    Anderson had his chances to score 500, but couldn't stay in the lineup.
     
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    IMO, I would include Chelios last season in Detroit with that too.

    After an injury and the Stuart trade, Chelios went from being a 15-20 minute a night regular down to a 9-15 minute 3rd pairing guy for the stretch and round 1-3 of the Cup run, before being made a healthy scratch for the clinching game in the WCF and all 6 games against the Pens. Despite this he finished the season hoisting his 3rd Stanley Cup at the age of 46.

    Already having 7 Dmen (not including a no longer waiver exempt Kyle Quincey and a still waiver exempt Jonathan Ericsson who appeared NHL ready), the Red Wings re-sign Chelios right before the 2008-09 training camp. This pushed Meech and Quincey into a battle for the #8 spot. Chelios then breaks his tibia during the preseason and misses the first 2 months of the season. After his return, he mostly sat in the press box for December and a good bit of January. Eventually they lost Stuart for a month and at the same time had some injuries to Meech and Lebda, which made Chelios a regular fixture for late January and most of February. However, once the Wings lost Lilja for the remainder of the year in late February, they decided to call up Ericsson and made him a regular rather than go with Chelios or Meech. Chelios then finished the regular season mostly sitting in the press box for March and April. For the playoffs, he averaged 7:21 dressing for 4 of the 5 games Rafalski missed in round 2, and then for the 2 games missed by Lidstrom in the WCF.

    One of the last big events of Chelios' tenure on the Red Wings roster was the whole "Babcock hates Chelios and American players" incident brought on by Chelios's former teammate Jeremy Roenick. Even though Babcock and Chelios brushed that off, it doesn't seem so off base now that Chelios has no qualms about dishing on Babcock now that he isn't in Detroit anymore. The latest was the "veteran UFA's don't want to play for Babcock" speculation from Chelios.

    Although it was reported it had more to do with the salary cap, I have to wonder if Chelios had hung them up after the '08 Cup, do the Wings find a way to keep Quincey, or at least kick the Meech vs. Quincey can down the road into the regular season? Maybe in that alternate reality the Wings get a better glimpse of Quincey, and then maybe he won't be worth trading away a 1st rounder to get him back 3.5 years later...
     
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    I still haven't forgiven Babcock for only playing Chelios a few minutes total in that outdoor classic in Wrigley Field against Chicago. Hometown guy, former Blackhawk, and he was benched for most of that game.
     
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    I'll throw my flame suit on for this one.... Dominik Hasek.

    Initially retires at 37, going out pretty much at the top after winning the Cup in 2002 and having been the Vezina and 1st All Star winner in 6 of the last 9 seasons, and an All Star game appearance in 6 of the last 7. Probably a good chance you can add one more to each of those if he doesn't miss 3+ months during the 99-00 season.

    -Decides to return after being retired for one year. Puts the Red Wings in an odd spot where Curtis Joseph gets waived and sent to the AHL despite getting paid $8M a season. Starts 8 of the Red Wings first 9 games, where he goes 4-3-0 with a .901, before missing a couple weeks with a groin injury. Comes back for 4 games and then goes down for 2-3 weeks with another groin injury. Comes back for 2 and then he's out again before getting shut down for the season in February.

    -Has a great year with the Sens in 05-06 before he gets injured after playing 9 minutes for the eventual bronze medal winning Czech team at the Olympics and then misses the rest of the regular season and playoffs.

    -Goes back to Detroit where he has a decent regular season and excellent playoffs in 06-07. Probably the only real bright spot to his return.

    -In his last season, he's outplayed by Chris Osgood during the regular season and posts a pretty mediocre SV% much lower than the season before. Despite this, the Red Wings go with him to start the playoffs. He starts great, then has a couple rough outings in Nashville. His last ever NHL game action is getting pulled in game 4 against the Preds after allowing 3 on 14 shots. The Red Wings then go with Osgood, who is stellar in leading them to the Stanley Cup. One of my last memories of Hasek was him gleefully celebrating the Cup win with his team on the ice and then getting interviewed by that Katrina Hancock lady (the Detroit news lady that told the Pittsburgh media the Pens had better fans) and asked how it felt to win despite losing the starting job. Hasek responded with "Ahh who cares" in his Czech accent.

    I would argue that his legacy looks better if his career ends after 2002. His return didn't bring any new individual hardware. He had a shared Vezina where the other goalie had better numbers, and in the Cup and Olympic medal he won, he was either hurt or a backup. As far as career numbers go, he wasn't going to surpass any of the guys in the top 5. His career SV% which is now currently tied for #1 all time(with Tuukka Rask) at .9223, would've had a stronger hold at .9241 had he stayed retired after 2002.
     
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    Did that really hurt his legacy, though? He's rated by most posters here as either the best or second best goalie of all time. Those that have him below Roy likely don't care about the last few years of Hasek's career when making the comparisons. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like his all time rating was affected by his latter years.
     
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    Modano?

    Was decent but then the last 2 years in Dallas he declines and then signs in Detroit of all places for a forgettable season.
     
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    Dave Andreychuk coming back for the 2005-06 NHL season was a headscratcher.

    He always seemed slower than molasses, but it could only get worse when you're 42. On top of that there was no rationale behind it, he had just won a Cup in 2004. It was quite embarassing to have TB waive its captain mid-season.
     
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    This is a great one to be honest. Yeah it was cool to see Modano here, scored a goal in his first regular season game I believe, but then got a wrist injury I believe that nagged him the rest of the year and into the playoffs.
     
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    Derek has always headed my list as the "most underrated" and/or greatest "might have been" player ever. (of course, I AM a Boston fan so all my "greatest ever" players in most any category tend to be Bruins :rolleyes:) Anyway, not only because he lost some prime years (his own fault) but because he was always cast in a defensive role. Watching some of his highlights or whole games available on YouTube, I am always impressed. I swear saw him steal the puck 3 times on one shift!
     
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    Ya, I remember watching him from his Rookie season, 2nd season & so on before he'd become "infamous" so to speak, the "it Boy" or whatever you wanna call it, so just as a "pure hockey player".... Defensive Specialist.... and without a doubt, he was without peer. Total dynamo. Very crafty, skilled, smart; fearless & a total needle. He made things happen out there, stopped things from happening, caused or created a lot of even strength & shorthanded turnovers. Great checker in terms of timing & delivery, excellent playmaker, particularly on the long bombs at even strength, the unexpected on a turnover with less time & space. Shame really that he'd deteriorated so quickly but hey... those were the times, the era.... Work hard (and he did for his first several years) party harder (and therein lay the problem; no brakes)...
     
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    I just got done watching this tonight Robert Gordon.......so sobering and heartbreaking, but I'm glad the ending showed he's been sober since May 2016....My mind is blown that these painkillers these athletes take can be SO addicting.....*sigh*....damn...
     
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    Jarome Iginla
    Vinny Lecavalier
    Marian Gaborik
     
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    I was going to post the Hasek's name too and I definitely think his retirements/coming from retirements every second season hurt his legacy, at least among Czech fans. The main reason is probably is off-ice conduct (specially the affair with physically attacking other player during inline hockey game). The narrative is that he came back to NHL after that mainly to avoid the prosecution for that offense.
    It's somehow ironic that Hasek was seen as a role-model (or something like that) in the 90's (and early 00's) and Jagr was seen as some spoiled primadona int he same period. But the latter part of their respective careers totally changed this perception: Jagr is generally more liked by public since his return to NHL in 2012 and Hasek is mostly seen as arrogant person and disliked (or mocked) for his actions, e.g. unsuccesful business, divorce etc.
    In my opinion most casual Czech fans would put Jagr over Hasek on the #1 of the Czech players of all time (my guess is that most people here or generally most people in NA would do the opposite).

    Well, but I am a Detroit fan and a Hasek's not-fan so I probably have a bias againts him winning cups with Detroit. In my ideal world, Detroit loses in 2002 and 2008 but wins in 2006 and 2009, which means same number of cups for Detroit but zero for Hasek.:popcorn:
     
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    Jari Kurri for his last two seasons: 1996-98 saw Kurri play 152 total regular season games in which he scored a total of 57 points (18 goals). Not a first liner by any means at this point but probably didn't expect to just barely eclipse the 600 goal mark with 601. Three points in 15 playoff games over the two seasons just emphasized that his presence was mainly felt on defense and in the locker room as opposed to the score sheet and headlines.
     
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    Were Kurri's last two years as an Anaheim Duck Calderon? I know I could look this up but figured I'd ask you for some dialogue etc.
     
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    I can see that. A national hero is very different from an outright best player rating. You have to be likable to be a hero, otherwise you're the bad guy. North Americans (including myself) rate Hasek higher because for us, he might be the best goalie ever, while Jagr might trail 2-4 right wingers alone depending on whom you ask.
     
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    Gin is the new avatar an incredible display of chili cheese fries??!! Wow does that look delicious!!
     

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