Player Discussion: Drew Doughty Thread

[lumbergh]

Chicago retooled while still making the playoffs and winning cups. The Kings have won one playoff game in two playoff appearance in 4 years.
What other team besides Pittsburg has won the cup with the same core 5 years apart?

Seems like that's a pretty small pool, but I'll take a shot. I've been following hockey for over three decades, and over that time, the Redwings, Devils, and Avalanche, in addition to the Penguins you named, have all won Cups separated by 3-5 years with a core group. It's doable.

In the past 10 seasons (counting this one), only four teams in the NHL have won a Cup. That's Pittsburgh and Chicago thrice each, Kings twice, and Bruins once. Penguins and Bruins are in the hunt again this year. Every one of those teams had a very strong core and retooled to stay competitive. The Stanley Cup is very difficult to win. You have to have a great core, a strong team identity, AND get really lucky to win. Can the current core do it again? Maybe.

 

[Legionnaire]

Seems like that's a pretty small pool, but I'll take a shot. I've been following hockey for over three decades, and over that time, the Redwings, Devils, and Avalanche, in addition to the Penguins you named, have all won Cups separated by 3-5 years with a core group. It's doable.

In the past 10 seasons (counting this one), only four teams in the NHL have won a Cup. That's Pittsburgh and Chicago thrice each, Kings twice, and Bruins once. Penguins and Bruins are in the hunt again this year. Every one of those teams had a very strong core and retooled to stay competitive. The Stanley Cup is very difficult to win. You have to have a great core, a strong team identity, AND get really lucky to win. Can the current core do it again? Maybe.

Hmm. Two of those teams drafted a goalie in the first round and a third drafted one in the first as well but flipped him for a HHOF goalie.

 

[Herby]

Detroit was a fluke. They had a core full of Hall of Fame players then drafted two more Hall of Fame players in the late rounds of back to back drafts after winning their cups.

Imagine where the Kings would be if Jonny Brodzinski and Spencer Watson were both Hall of Fame players, that is what Detroit had happen to them with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

 

[kilowatt]

Detroit was a fluke. They had a core full of Hall of Fame players then drafted two more Hall of Fame players in the late rounds of back to back drafts after winning their cups.

Imagine where the Kings would be if Jonny Brodzinski and Spencer Watson were both Hall of Fame players, that is what Detroit had happen to them with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Who says they aren’t? I believe!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Detroit was a fluke. They had a core full of Hall of Fame players then drafted two more Hall of Fame players in the late rounds of back to back drafts after winning their cups.

Imagine where the Kings would be if Jonny Brodzinski and Spencer Watson were both Hall of Fame players, that is what Detroit had happen to them with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

I'm sure in Basilik's head Max Kitsyn and Nikolai Prokhorkov could still become those players.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Detroit was a fluke. They had a core full of Hall of Fame players then drafted two more Hall of Fame players in the late rounds of back to back drafts after winning their cups.

Imagine where the Kings would be if Jonny Brodzinski and Spencer Watson were both Hall of Fame players, that is what Detroit had happen to them with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

There's still time!

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Detroit was a fluke. They had a core full of Hall of Fame players then drafted two more Hall of Fame players in the late rounds of back to back drafts after winning their cups.

Imagine where the Kings would be if Jonny Brodzinski and Spencer Watson were both Hall of Fame players, that is what Detroit had happen to them with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Exactly. People talk about Detroit like they’re the golden standard and not a freakish anomaly. The Datsyuk pick alone may never be replicated in the NHL again with how much better teams have become at scouting European players.

 

[Ignatius]

Pens fan coming in peace. If LA were to float a trade proposal to Pittsburgh for Doughty what do you all think that might look like?

Right now it seems like most of our roster and prospects can be had aside from Crosby and Malkin of course. Guentzel would be the only other person considered untouchable. Does a deal based around Letang and Kessel get the ball rolling?

 

[johnjm22]

Pens fan coming in peace. If LA were to float a trade proposal to Pittsburgh for Doughty what do you all think that might look like?

Right now it seems like most of our roster and prospects can be had aside from Crosby and Malkin of course. Guentzel would be the only other person considered untouchable. Does a deal based around Letang and Kessel get the ball rolling?

It's really hard to say. We'd want an astronomical return, but I don't think any team is willing to give up the amount of assets we want because Drew only has one year left on his deal.

Kessel and Letang wouldn't do it for me. They're both 30. I'd want excellent young players or prospects.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Pens fan coming in peace. If LA were to float a trade proposal to Pittsburgh for Doughty what do you all think that might look like?

Right now it seems like most of our roster and prospects can be had aside from Crosby and Malkin of course. Guentzel would be the only other person considered untouchable. Does a deal based around Letang and Kessel get the ball rolling?

Not Letang,

Not knowing too much about the Pens players,

Maata, Sprong, Guentzel, and a 1st or 2,

I don't see any other way, and there's no way Pittsburgh does that for just one year of Doughty

 

[kingsholygrail]

Doughty is the closest thing the Kings are going to get to their very own Lidstrom. I'd rather keep him over almost anyone else on the team.

 

[Rorschach]

I still feel shame for trading Gretzky to the Blues.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

FYI, Doughty is having a new house built in Hermosa Beach. I believe Kopitar had a new home in development as well just prior to his contract extension.

Public Works okays removal of tree from Monterey home

 

[kingsfan28]

Exactly. People talk about Detroit like they’re the golden standard and not a freakish anomaly. The Datsyuk pick alone may never be replicated in the NHL again with how much better teams have become at scouting European players.

They had the title of greatest drafting team in history for so long because of those two, yet never replicated anyone of that talent since. They got so lucky with Datsyuk and Zetterberg it's not even funny.
In a way it's like the way the Kings found Kopitar. They were scouting the next Esa Pernes and saw him by accident playing in the SEL of where ever.

 

[raswilliam]

I still feel shame for trading Gretzky to the Blues.

no love for Patrice Tardif?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

no love for Patrice Tardif?

Roman Vopat was the gem of that trade.

 

[KINGS17]

FYI, Doughty is having a new house built in Hermosa Beach. I believe Kopitar had a new home in development as well just prior to his contract extension.

Public Works okays removal of tree from Monterey home

The little known town of Hermosa on Ontario Lake?

 

[kilowatt]

Pens fan coming in peace. If LA were to float a trade proposal to Pittsburgh for Doughty what do you all think that might look like?

Right now it seems like most of our roster and prospects can be had aside from Crosby and Malkin of course. Guentzel would be the only other person considered untouchable. Does a deal based around Letang and Kessel get the ball rolling?

Crosby or Malkin. There are no untouchables when it comes to Doughty.

 

[Herby]

The Kings and Pens would be bad trade partners if Blake were to try and move Doughty. The Pens would not part with Crosby or Malkin and beyond that there really isn't much that would interest the Kings.

 

[KopitarFAN]

The little known town of Hermosa on Ontario Lake?

of course.

 

[Reclamation Project]

FYI, Doughty is having a new house built in Hermosa Beach. I believe Kopitar had a new home in development as well just prior to his contract extension.

Public Works okays removal of tree from Monterey home

That f***ing tree was holding up our extension!

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Pens fan coming in peace. If LA were to float a trade proposal to Pittsburgh for Doughty what do you all think that might look like?

Right now it seems like most of our roster and prospects can be had aside from Crosby and Malkin of course. Guentzel would be the only other person considered untouchable. Does a deal based around Letang and Kessel get the ball rolling?

The Kings would take any proposal from another team and then go to the Leafs, to see if they would do better. Marner, Liljegren (rhd) + #1 ??
Letang and Kessel have contracts through 21-22 and for 7.25 and 8.0. That's 15.25 million for those 2. Cannot afford that, just best to sign DD for the 11+