Didn't someone on the SportsNet panel that night show a graphic that while Kessel does score a higher percentage of his goals from within 15 feet but they also showed that this year the percentage of his overall shots from 15 feet or less has gone down while his shots from 30-50 feet have risen compared to last season?
Phil Kessel. Trade Watch On? | He's Literally Frozen
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I'm going to change my stance on one thing about Kessel.
He's a unique player on this team. I think he should be allowed to cheat, to not allow him to do this, really mitigates his skill set.
At times you have to look the other way with offensive players. No use trying to force a round peg into a square hole.
Kessel is an offensive player, let him play offence. Let his line try to outscore the competition. The other lines that are less gifted offensively can play a systems game.
Kessel is the only player that should play without contraints on this team. He is the only elite offensive player.
He's a unique player on this team. I think he should be allowed to cheat, to not allow him to do this, really mitigates his skill set.
At times you have to look the other way with offensive players. No use trying to force a round peg into a square hole.
Kessel is an offensive player, let him play offence. Let his line try to outscore the competition. The other lines that are less gifted offensively can play a systems game.
Kessel is the only player that should play without contraints on this team. He is the only elite offensive player.
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His line when they were focused all on offense and not about playing good defense basically resulted in an overall negative. So they gave up more goals then they were on the ice for, all they had were nice point totals but the team did not benefit.
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Or instead of having special circumstances for 1 player, even a 30 goal scorer, get 2 guys who can score 20 goals with no such limitations. It's not just allowing Kessel to cheat to score goals, when he doesn't score, his GA60 isn't helping.
I'm all on board for trading him now if they are going to blow it up. On Leafs lunch they said they might as well trade him because by the time this team ever gets to be a playoff team Kessel and probably Phaneuf would be in their 30's probably starting to regress.
They said unless Kessel commits to better his conditioning, and shape he could start regressing sooner, and I agree with them.
Get rid of Kessel and Phaneuf while their value is high.
They said unless Kessel commits to better his conditioning, and shape he could start regressing sooner, and I agree with them.
Get rid of Kessel and Phaneuf while their value is high.
We have two guys that can score 30+...
They are only a negative to this team when you ignore pp production, which most people do when determining that they have an overall impact.
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Kessel has 3 goals total (ES+PP) during Leafs last 19 game stretch of 3-15-1 record.
Not sure how 30+ goals is really preventing the Leafs season from slipping away?.
Barilko14
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Kessel plus decent prospect (maybe Brown) To WPG
Bogosian and Ehlers to TOR
Reason TOR does it - to get young top 4 dman that can play tough minutes, still room to grow in his game, and to stockpile as many talented prospects as possible (Ehlers) in the hopes that one makes it big.
Reason Wpg does - have the cap space, have a big team, but needs more scoring, Kessel would solidfy their top 6, and Bogosian is somewhat expendable with Buff and Trouba as RD. Also doesn't derail they're slow build as Kessel is not that old.
Wpg top 6 of:
Ladd - Scheifele - Kessel
Kane - Little - Wheeler
Would make them respectable now, and long-term. Kessel could really help Scheifele or Little get to next level.
Top 4 still respectable with:
Enstrom - Buff
Stuart - Trouba
With Morrisey on his way.
Toronto can stick with Phaneuf and pair him with Bogosian or deal him for a young C (O'Reilly) and allow Gardiner or Reilly to pair with Bogosian.
Toronto may have to add depending on Ehlers value.
Bogosian and Ehlers to TOR
Reason TOR does it - to get young top 4 dman that can play tough minutes, still room to grow in his game, and to stockpile as many talented prospects as possible (Ehlers) in the hopes that one makes it big.
Reason Wpg does - have the cap space, have a big team, but needs more scoring, Kessel would solidfy their top 6, and Bogosian is somewhat expendable with Buff and Trouba as RD. Also doesn't derail they're slow build as Kessel is not that old.
Wpg top 6 of:
Ladd - Scheifele - Kessel
Kane - Little - Wheeler
Would make them respectable now, and long-term. Kessel could really help Scheifele or Little get to next level.
Top 4 still respectable with:
Enstrom - Buff
Stuart - Trouba
With Morrisey on his way.
Toronto can stick with Phaneuf and pair him with Bogosian or deal him for a young C (O'Reilly) and allow Gardiner or Reilly to pair with Bogosian.
Toronto may have to add depending on Ehlers value.
I was thinking about this the other day and really it's kind of true/sad.
Kessel is the leafs best player, or touted to be such anyway.
However if you look around the league, I think outside of New Jersey, Buffalo, and MAYBE Arizona, no team would even THINK about trading their "best player" 1 for 1 with Toronto for Kessel.
Kessel has a great offensive skill-set but brings absolutely ZERO to the table in way of physical play and defensive acumen. He could serve well as a secondary guy on a really good team, but him being asked to be the #1 guy here in Toronto has exposed him for the one-dimensional, mediocre player he is.
Sure, a guy like Patrick Kane plays a similar style, and has had success on Chicago. However Chicago also features Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Shaw, Saad, etc. Who all play very responsible two way games and allow for Kane to flourish as a scoring specialist.
Sucks because I like Phil alot but I think he should be traded away at the draft
Kessel is the leafs best player, or touted to be such anyway.
However if you look around the league, I think outside of New Jersey, Buffalo, and MAYBE Arizona, no team would even THINK about trading their "best player" 1 for 1 with Toronto for Kessel.
Kessel has a great offensive skill-set but brings absolutely ZERO to the table in way of physical play and defensive acumen. He could serve well as a secondary guy on a really good team, but him being asked to be the #1 guy here in Toronto has exposed him for the one-dimensional, mediocre player he is.
Sure, a guy like Patrick Kane plays a similar style, and has had success on Chicago. However Chicago also features Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Shaw, Saad, etc. Who all play very responsible two way games and allow for Kane to flourish as a scoring specialist.
Sucks because I like Phil alot but I think he should be traded away at the draft
The problem is, when your best player doesn't buy in the culture of team will not be on eof buying in. Like it or not Kessel, probably more so then any other player, dictates the culture and tone of the Leafs locker room.
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I actually do believe that Phil Kessel's natural skillset is probably top five among NHL "franchise players." When he's on, you can actually understand how he could have been compared to Sidney Crosby during their draft years, because he can actually be that good.
The downside is he has no idea how to be a good professional and leader and is a complete laughing stock because of his quirky personality, laziness and mercurial loser attitude.
Such a waste of talent.
No, I was asking (can tell by the "?" at the end of the sentence) if that was the point you were trying to make. And as it was pointed out - you added the dirty areas line yourself.
For someone who likes to be critical of others reading, yours really needs some work.
When was the last time Crosby went 21 games with 3 Even Strength goals?
But maybe we should ask Easy - he'll tell us that its not a slump. That ACTUALLY from Dec 20-31 he has 7 points in 6 games, and from Jan 21-29 he had 2 points in 3 games, which isn't bad at all. So 1 big slump........I don't think so.
And Kessel goes through 1 or 2 slumps like this a SEASON.
I can take a look at the numbers and help you figure them out if you'd like.
Last time you didn't do so well with the counting.....or addition......or reading of the information for that matter.
Gary Nylund
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Reading is one thing. Reading comprehension is another thing altogether.
But yeah math is hard for some people, I doubt that will ever change.
Stephen
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No, I'm not comparing the two over the course of their careers. Kessel is Kessel. But at the peak of his powers, he's a phenomenal player. The fact that he's such an underachiever makes him that much more disappointing.
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They're all trying. They're all broken. Most of them need to be traded. Starting with Phil the Thrill. Time to rebuild this team.
Fair enough.
But to further compare he has 23 points in those 26 games with 6 goals total and he is an even player.
Kessel in his 21 game slump has only 11 points and 3 goals. He is also a -13
So while their even strength goals may be equal, the rest of the slumps are quite different. Crosby also doesn't do this every year, and multiple times a year.
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