Phaneuf.

[pei fan]

1 pt. and -8 in 7 games.Made several errors.Had icetime reduced some as a result.

For months I've been saying he still has a lot of areas in his game that need maturing and that he was only at an elite level on the powerplay and not at even strength.Also I stated that if anyone watched Calgary for any length of time they would see there were at least 2 other d-men on the flames better than him.At least 2, but Regher is substantially better.

Okay so here's the questions.Does anyone STILL believe he is a top 5 dmen in the league or even top 10 for that matter?Does anyone REALLY believe he is a better player than Ovechkin and Crosby?

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[BD]

1 pt. and -8 in 7 games.Made several errors.Had icetime reduced some as a result.

For months I've been saying he still has a lot of areas in his game that need maturing and that he was only at an elite level on the powerplay and not at even strength.Also I stated that if anyone watched Calgary for any length of time they would see there were at least 2 other d-men on the flames better than him.At least 2, but Regher is substantially better.

Okay so here's the questions.Does anyone STILL believe he is a top 5 dmen in the league or even top 10 for that matter?Does anyone REALLY believe he is a better player than Ovechkin and Crosby?

i think people need to take in account that NHL rookies are not used to the schedule, and a 1st rd playoff grueling push. how can you forget their age and the fact a lot of these players blowout b/c of the schedule. don't use an agenda here, but try looking from an objective standpoint. Young players are not used to playing that schedule and that level an entire season, in most cases, much less a 7 game 1st round playoffs. Mistakes will be made, much less the pressure is so high.

He's a rookie. Bring him down to size, and then have an opinion.

 

[HansonBro]

why does everyone give this kid a hard time?? everyone has such high expectations of a kid for a rookie season. This kid likes to play hockey and likes everything about the game...hitting, scoring, fighting w/e. He will be someone to remember years from now deffinately. Theres something inside him

scott stevens rookie season
1982-83 WAS 77 9g 16a 25pts 14 +/-

 

[Pepper]

you can't blame the schedule, Phaneuf probably went through busier times during the regular season.

Play-offs are much more intense and the decision times are a lot shorter, rookies have hard time picking their game up accordingly.

 

[GKJ]

He is just a rookie who has to learn.


He'll be better next time around

 

[pei fan]

I accidently put this in the prospect threads and then tried to delete it and put it in the NHL thread instaed . If someone knows how to merge this with the thread on the NHL board it would be appreciated .Sorry for any confusion.

 

[pei fan]

why does everyone give this kid a hard time?? everyone has such high expectations of a kid for a rookie season. This kid likes to play hockey and likes everything about the game...hitting, scoring, fighting w/e. He will be someone to remember years from now deffinately. Theres something inside him

scott stevens rookie season
1982-83 WAS 77 9g 16a 25pts 14 +/-

I think Dion's a great player as a Rookie myself and really don't think he deserves a hard time.Since you are a new member you may not be aware that a very large number of posters had him ranked as one of the best 5 dmen in the league(I think a few said he was the best). It was a consensus opinion all year that he was a better rookie than Crosby.Remember I'm referring to HF boards.

 

[Russian_fanatic]

I'm a Canucks fan and screw you guys! This guy had one of the best rookie season a defenseman(maybe including forwards too) can have and all you guys do is pick his bones dead.

 

[Hockey-Freak]

Take a look at Jason Spezza´s AHL playoff stats last year and compare it to his actual. Then you put in all the talks from season start when everyone doubted, Spezza could make an impact in important games.

Maybe you´ll have a déjà vu.

Wouldn´t surprise me if Phaneuf is DOMINANT in the next playoffs, just like Spezza is this year.

 

[therealdeal]

Phaneuf finally looked like a rookie out there that was out of his leauge, but he had a better last game. Hamrlik was terrible, so that didn't help, hopefully Hammer will be traded next year and we can just pull up an AHL guy instead.

I think its a little early to call Dion a bust though.

 

[BuppY]

He's a Rookie.. I think he'll get better his 2nd time around. Also He hasn't played this many games before, especially at the highest level, fatigue might be a factor and not having a lot of experience. This isn't common for rookies. So he'll bounce back.

 

[J17 Vs Proclamation]

Phaneuf will be awesome, but he was slightly overhyped. Not in terms of how good he will be, but in terms of how good he is now. Alot of people were saying he was top 5 in the league, which he clearly isn't yet.

 

[espo*]

He played great in the regular season,even strength and everything else.Just goes to show that the playoffs are a different game.This was a good learning experience for him.it'll turn out to be the best thing for him and he'll become a better player for it.

I've seen a few so called all world d-men not play too hot these playoffs.

 

[ZombieMatt]

1 pt. and -8 in 7 games.Made several errors.Had icetime reduced some as a result.

For months I've been saying he still has a lot of areas in his game that need maturing and that he was only at an elite level on the powerplay and not at even strength.Also I stated that if anyone watched Calgary for any length of time they would see there were at least 2 other d-men on the flames better than him.At least 2, but Regher is substantially better.

Okay so here's the questions.Does anyone STILL believe he is a top 5 dmen in the league or even top 10 for that matter?Does anyone REALLY believe he is a better player than Ovechkin and Crosby?

It wasn't really necessary to post this twice.

I understand that you have some sort of ax to grind, but I think your message got across fine on one board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=249121

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Phaneuf's struggles in the post-season demonstrate that, as a young player he has a lot to learn and that Sutter had to rely on him WAY too much. It should have been guys like Hamrlik covering for Phaneuf, not the other way around.

 

[Porn*]

i think people need to take in account that NHL rookies are not used to the schedule, and a 1st rd playoff grueling push. how can you forget their age and the fact a lot of these players blowout b/c of the schedule. don't use an agenda here, but try looking from an objective standpoint. Young players are not used to playing that schedule and that level an entire season, in most cases, much less a 7 game 1st round playoffs. Mistakes will be made, much less the pressure is so high.

He's a rookie. Bring him down to size, and then have an opinion.

concur.


people forget that he's a rookie beecause he had such a promising season... he'll be great but he needs time to adjust and grow.

 

[HansonBro]

he put up 49 points and a plus 5 on...erm CALGARY!?!? now maybe if he played on detroit where they score 5 goals a game he might have been a "top 5" d-man but i think all concidered he met expectations. For those who rated him higher than crosby or ovechkin I want what your smokin

 

[scoutman1]

I don't understand why people post this on a prospect part of the site. He is not a prospect anymore.

 

[thrashers=cup05]

1 pt. and -8 in 7 games.Made several errors.Had icetime reduced some as a result.

For months I've been saying he still has a lot of areas in his game that need maturing and that he was only at an elite level on the powerplay and not at even strength.Also I stated that if anyone watched Calgary for any length of time they would see there were at least 2 other d-men on the flames better than him.At least 2, but Regher is substantially better.

Okay so here's the questions.Does anyone STILL believe he is a top 5 dmen in the league or even top 10 for that matter?Does anyone REALLY believe he is a better player than Ovechkin and Crosby?

Okay he is a rookie which means several things:
1. He was nervous as hell in the playoffs, he and everyone else can say what they want but he was nervous and gripping the hell out of his stick.
2. No rookie is a top 5 or 10 in his position his rookie year. That is earned and no rookie no matter how good earns it their first year.
3. He was probably the best rookie D-Man in the league this year.
4. He will only get better with age and maturity, look for him to push into the top 30 defenders in the league within 3 years. No i don't think he would be a number 1 on any team in the league this year or next year, except maybe my thrashers cause their D sucks.
5. You cant compare defensemen to forwards. Their jobs are complete oposite. However, did Phanuf do a better job of keeping the puck out of the net than crosy and alex the gr8 of puttin it in. NO.

 

[Legionnaire]

It wasn't really necessary to post this twice.

I understand that you have some sort of ax to grind, but I think your message got across fine on one board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=249121

 

[Hockey-Freak]

2. No rookie is a top 5 or 10 in his position his rookie year. That is earned and no rookie no matter how good earns it their first year.

Alexander Ovechkin, and not just on his LW position.

 

[pei fan]

It wasn't really necessary to post this twice.

I understand that you have some sort of ax to grind, but I think your message got across fine on one board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=249121

No ax to grind.

I guess you didn't read my post above where I tried to delete this thread as I accidently put it under prospects and not in the NHL. I asked someone if they knew how to merge them.There were mods in the discussion,thought that they would merge it.

 

[Seph]

Okay so here's the questions.Does anyone STILL believe he is a top 5 dmen in the league or even top 10 for that matter?Does anyone REALLY believe he is a better player than Ovechkin and Crosby?

While I agree that anyone that thought he was a top 5-10 dman was certainly exaggerating or youth infatuated, I don't think his poor playoff play should say anything about how he compares to Crosby and Ovechkin. As it stands, he's still accomplished more than either of those two. Not saying that makes him better, because it doesn't, but until we see how the other two do in the playoffs, it's hard to hold this against Phaneuf in those comparisons.

 

[Pete Rock]

What is this discussion even doing on the prospects board?

Aside from it's ludicrousness, Phaneuf's not even a prospect anymore.

 

[Lars]

I agree With PEI Fan. I remember seeing a while back when people had Phaneuf on their top 5 Dmen in the NHL right now lists. That is outrageous! Then you guys are saying "hes young ... give him a break." Well then why would you put him on your top 5 Dman List!! if he frankly isn't playing THAT good.

Phaneuf really didn't play well in the playoffs something an ELITE defenseman can't do. Phaneuf although may not be a top 5 Dman now, he will be soon enough.