Penguins moving to Quebec ???

[Hartford HockeyFan]

www.pittsburghlive.com/x/...59905.html

Gaming Control Board Chairman Tad Decker hailed today's vote as a compromise that will benefit Pennsylvania taxpayers who are slotted to receive some property tax relief based on gambling revenues.

He said he expects the board will award its first casino licenses to race tracks as early as late September and predicted four out of six potential track casinos will be in operation by late December or early 2006.

Decker said the Board will likely begin awarding licenses to stand-alone casinos by year end.

Great news!! Heres to hoping that great new arena is built in Pittsburgh and the Penguins dont move.

 

[WesMantooth]

Your link don't work brutha!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_459905.html

 

[KeepitinPitt]

Mark Cuban just announced today that he is part of a group bidding on the Pens with the express purpose of keeping them in Pittsburgh. Quebec might have to start looking for another team after all.

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"Suck it, Quebec!"

 

[Hartford HockeyFan]

Your link don't work brutha!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_459905.html

Sorry about that. Its still great news and hopefully a step in the right direction to keeping the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

 

[Prince Mercury]

With all due respect, Quebec hasn't shown the kind of effort that would make a major sports team attractive to the market. The Nords left the city with very little fanfare and the city has done alarmingly little to attract a CFL expansion team.

Now, the Nords didn't leave Quebec City because it was a bad market, and I in fact believe it's probably a good market. But the fans seem unconcerned.

 

[Kardi]

would be wicked if they did go to the Q

more leafs fans could head to quebec

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Now wouldn't that be ironic. A championship team in the making left and one with the potential to be one returns!

 

[NassauIsles82*]

As long as a team stays out of that dump of a city Winnipeg , and the Penguins stay in Pittsburgh, everything is cool.

 

[puckhead103*]

As long as a team stays out of that dump of a city Winnipeg , and the Penguins stay in Pittsburgh, everything is cool.

have u been to this website ----> www.jetsowner.com...

lotta groupthink behavior on that site....

 

[ficklenfuddle]

As long as a team stays out of that dump of a city Winnipeg , and the Penguins stay in Pittsburgh, everything is cool.

wow, this thread if full of ignorant statements like this.


Hockey would thrive in Winnipeg and Quebec

 

[vbet*]

Crosby is supposed to be the "Next One." He's supposed to attract Americans to the NHL, something like if Gretzky had played in the US during his prime, instead of Edmonton. Having him in Quebec would do no good.

I agree if the league would get more popularity in the US a nice national TV revenue cheque might occur, but it won't. Hockey TV revenues come from independant local revenue.

The average american would rather watch poker or nascar or even wrestling. You can't try to ram hockey into people's heads as much as NBC did this year. It didn't work, get over it, move the teams from the crappy markets to ones that appreciate hockey. The dogs are bringing down the rest of the league.

Pitts to Quebec city
Atlanta to Winnipeg
Kill Florida and Phoenix

 

[Grave77digger]

Ya the Pens are moving to Canada... you heard it here first folks

 

[vbet*]

Ya the Pens are moving to Canada... you heard it here first folks

It will stay only if Cuban gets in on the deal with deep pockets. Plus Crosby can legally have a beer after a game if he played in Canada.

 

[OG6ix]

wow, this thread if full of ignorant statements like this.


Hockey would thrive in Winnipeg and Quebec

Hockey will go to die there! There is no money in those parts.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I agree if the league would get more popularity in the US a nice national TV revenue cheque might occur, but it won't. Hockey TV revenues come from independant local revenue.

The average american would rather watch poker or nascar or even wrestling. You can't try to ram hockey into people's heads as much as NBC did this year. It didn't work, get over it, move the teams from the crappy markets to ones that appreciate hockey. The dogs are bringing down the rest of the league.

Pitts to Quebec city
Atlanta to Winnipeg
Kill Florida and Phoenix

You do know that Pittsburgh was the second ranked regional TV market in the NHL behind Detroit this season, right?

They have also been in the top 5 for the last decade. Such a crappy market.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

 

[Northern Dancer]

You do know that Pittsburgh was the second ranked regional TV market in the NHL behind Detroit this season, right?

They have also been in the top 5 for the last decade. Such a crappy market.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

News to me, what revenue did it produce for them ?

 

[Spydey629]

That's TV ratings. THe Pens have one of the most lucrative local TV deals because of it. I don't know of the exact figures to post them though.

 

[JRod1887]

It will stay only if Cuban gets in on the deal with deep pockets.

You're not a Penguins' fan, so you obviously wouldn't follow the bidding situation involving several groups who would like to keep the Pens in the burgh.

 

[skullman80]

News to me, what revenue did it produce for them ?

The only reason the Pens are thinking of moving is because of the arena. The lease with the Mellon arena is horrid, they get virtually no cash from any concessions etc....plus the arena is horribly outdated.

The fans have always shown up, it isn't about them/us, it's simply about a new arena being built, and one that should have been built a long time ago.

 

[Northern Dancer]

The only reason the Pens are thinking of moving is because of the arena. The lease with the Mellon arena is horrid, they get virtually no cash from any concessions etc....plus the arena is horribly outdated.

The fans have always shown up, it isn't about them/us, it's simply about a new arena being built, and one that should have been built a long time ago.

Well something does not add up. If what you say is true then why has it taken so long to build an arena and why has Pittsburgh been in recievership twice and on life support prior to the new CBA. Seems 29 other teams have state-of-the-art arenas. Whoever owns the current Mellon Arena must be absolutely coining it !!!

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Well something does not add up. If what you say is true then why has it taken so long to build an arena and why has Pittsburgh been in recievership twice and on life support prior to the new CBA. Seems 29 other teams have state-of-the-art arenas. Whoever owns the current Mellon Arena must be absolutely coining it !!!

NHL teams that do *not* have state-of-the-art arenas:

Calgary (built for the '88 Olympics)
Detroit (built in 1979)
Edmonton (built in 1974)
New Jersey (new arena in planning)
NY Islanders (new arena in planning)
NY Rangers (renovated several years back; the place is used just about every day of the year, they don't need one)
Pittsburgh (built in 1961)

 

[Northern Dancer]

NHL teams that do *not* have state-of-the-art arenas:

Calgary (built for the '88 Olympics)
Detroit (built in 1979)
Edmonton (built in 1974)
New Jersey (new arena in planning)
NY Islanders (new arena in planning)
NY Rangers (renovated several years back; the place is used just about every day of the year, they don't need one)
Pittsburgh (built in 1961)

Very true, but the point I was trying to make something does not add up in Pittsburgh. I am not anti-Pittsburgh but it just not make any sense to have a 1961 arena in such a so called hockey hot-bed. Surely some American entrepreneur would have pounced long ago and Mario wud have never had to become an owner.

 

[JRod1887]

Well something does not add up. If what you say is true then why has it taken so long to build an arena and why has Pittsburgh been in recievership twice and on life support prior to the new CBA. Seems 29 other teams have state-of-the-art arenas. Whoever owns the current Mellon Arena must be absolutely coining it !!!

Again, it's something you won't understand unless you've been following the situation from the very beginning. This has been through a lot of political processes, and has gone under tough scrutiny due to its reliance on a casino among other things. And Ed Rendell is a huge pain in the ***.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Very true, but the point I was trying to make something does not add up in Pittsburgh. I am not anti-Pittsburgh but it just not make any sense to have a 1961 arena in such a so called hockey hot-bed. Surely some American entrepreneur would have pounced long ago and Mario wud have never had to become an owner.

See Baldwin, Howard.

 

[SharksDownUnder]

NHL teams that do *not* have state-of-the-art arenas:

Calgary (built for the '88 Olympics)
Detroit (built in 1979)
Edmonton (built in 1974)
New Jersey (new arena in planning)
NY Islanders (new arena in planning)
NY Rangers (renovated several years back; the place is used just about every day of the year, they don't need one)
Pittsburgh (built in 1961)

It's not if they have a state of the art arena that will make a team successful... it's the real estate asset and the revenue on the 300 days where hockey isn't play in the arena that really matters. And ultimately who owns the arena. If the team owns or manages the arena and gets the majority of the revenue... the team will survive without sellouts..... it's like a hotel ( you don't have to be full all the time to make alot of money, but the right rooms need to be sold.

the NHL is a franchise.... and like McDonald's... it's NOT about the hockey or the burgers/fries.... IT'S THE REAL ESTATE.

The Kings owner owns the Staples centre and has a minority ownership in the Lakers now... You have Kings, Lakers, Clippers, + Concerts/Conventions/other events.... do you think it's the Kings that ensure that these guys are making money. NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

This is why teams have gone into new markets... Kansas City needs an anchor tenant.... just like a shopping centre needs an anchor tenant. Winnipeg, Quebec, Kansas City, Nashville, Atlanta, Carolina, Pittsburg, and anywhere else is "viable" if you have the market for other events/concerts/etc/etc... to maximise your revenue for the real estate. If you don't own your arena.... then you need to at least control the revenue for your franchise(s).

Boston, Chicago, NYR, Colorado,TO, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Anahiem, Tampa Bay etc, etc... are making a killing off the other revenues from other events/NBA sports franchises etc. Some more than others of course. Check out the story of the LA Kings... great story! Remember the LA Kings and Bruce McNall... well it's impressive what happened next with the current owners of the Kings. Click on this link and the Staple Centre and you'll see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL You'll also enjoy the Tampa Bay Lightning / Detriot Pistons owners - same guy. Two championships in 2004 - not bad for his net worth journey.