Post-Game Talk: Penguins 5, Sabres 1 - GQ Sweeps the Home and Home with Walmart

[Empoleon8771]

6-7m on your 4th line isn't ideal... so we will need to fix that down the road. But sure... it would be a decent 4th line. At least one you can play night in/night out more than 3-5 minutes.

I don't think the cap hit of your 4th line matters if you can afford it with the cap. If you need cap space to improve somewhere else on the roster, you move out Hagelin (or even in a trade involving Hagelin to improve somewhere else on the roster), but it's not an issue if you have an expensive 4th line as long as you don't need the cap space for anything else.

Hagelin is probably gone after the year if I had to guess and I'm not entirely sold on Sheahan sticking around either, at least based on the Penguins apparently still looking for center help. I do think he has played well in the 3C spot, but what I think doesn't matter because I'm not calling the shots

 

[ColePens]

Oh for sure. It's a luxury. It's like having two starters last year. It's not ideal going forward, but damn it works if you can pull it off. Letang's injury last year made us be able to pull it off.

This year, we have some ELCs that are helping us pull it off. The only thing is if that 3C comes in. We need to be able to pay. But if it all works out, boom. Put 6M on your 4th line. Hags is a luxury this year. A luxury I really like. Similar to Flower last year. A luxury that will come in handy.

 

[AquaticBirdman]

So, after this one, Jarry's GAA is about 2.00, and his save percentage is now .936.

Goaltending controversy?

At this point I'm just happy that Murray won't have to carry the heavy load this season. If we could potentially have a 1A/1B type of scenario then I'd be perfectly fine with that.

 

[AquaticBirdman]

Btw, I know Horny is playing spectacular hockey right now and most of us are on the "re-sign him!" bandwagon as a result, however I'm a little reluctant (or cautious) at the same time. I have a feeling that a strong season from Horny could potentially mean a long term deal that might be somewhat handcuffing a couple years down the road. He plays a style of game that might not carry over all too well with age as the wheels begin to fall off. If we do re-sign him, I just hope we don't feel pressured to offer him something ridiculous (ex. 6 years at close to 5 mill per)

 

[Tom Hanks]

Btw, I know Horny is playing spectacular hockey right now and most of us are on the "re-sign him!" bandwagon as a result, however I'm a little reluctant (or cautious) at the same time. I have a feeling that a strong season from Horny could potentially mean a long term deal that might be somewhat handcuffing a couple years down the road. He plays a style of game that might not carry over all too well with age as the wheels begin to fall off. If we do re-sign him, I just hope we don't feel pressured to offer him something ridiculous (ex. 6 years at close to 5 mill per)

I’d offer him that contract. He doesn’t rely on skating which is a good thing. It’s his strength and drive that sets him apart. Those things are less likely to decline. Sure he’ll have to be managed more in the later years with his body but science is better now and if he had games off here and there to get his body right to be fresh for playoffs that’s all that matters.

 

[Beau Knows]

I’d offer him that contract. He doesn’t rely on skating which is a good thing. It’s his strength and drive that sets him apart. Those things are less likely to decline. Sure he’ll have to be managed more in the later years with his body but science is better now and if he had games off here and there to get his body right to be fresh for playoffs that’s all that matters.

And while do look fairly well setup for the future with the young players we have, we do need to milk everything we can out of this era. Having Sid, Geno, Phil and this supporting cast is an insane opportunity. The Penguins have made good on it so far with 2 Cups from that group, and they have a real shot at 3. Horny is a huge part of that, and even if his contract does hurts a little bit 4-5 years from now it's worth trying to win with this group.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Btw, I know Horny is playing spectacular hockey right now and most of us are on the "re-sign him!" bandwagon as a result, however I'm a little reluctant (or cautious) at the same time. I have a feeling that a strong season from Horny could potentially mean a long term deal that might be somewhat handcuffing a couple years down the road. He plays a style of game that might not carry over all too well with age as the wheels begin to fall off. If we do re-sign him, I just hope we don't feel pressured to offer him something ridiculous (ex. 6 years at close to 5 mill per)

I’d easily give him that contract and I’d expect to see him decline towards the end. Hornqvist with a modest raise for the rest of the probable contending years and not going 8 years to do it would be great. It’s not about his current play for me except that he hasn’t fallen off a cliff, it’s that I consider his game and ridiculous will to get shit done incredibly valuable. He’s consistently that guy getting the ugly goal or refusing to go down without a fight. They don’t have another Hornqvist in the wings and I don’t see them finding another any time soon.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I’d easily give him that contract and I’d expect to see him decline towards the end. Hornqvist with a modest raise for the rest of the probable contending years and not going 8 years to do it would be great. It’s not about his current play for me except that he hasn’t fallen off a cliff, it’s that I consider his game and ridiculous will to get **** done incredibly valuable. He’s consistently that guy getting the ugly goal or refusing to go down without a fight. They don’t have another Hornqvist in the wings and I don’t see them finding another any time soon.

There are obviously other factors but the hardest goalie we faced last playoffs was Anderson and that’s the series Hornqvist was injured.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

There are obviously other factors but the hardest goalie we faced last playoffs was Anderson and that’s the series Hornqvist was injured.

At the very least he would have made life harder for Anderson. The guy will plant himself in front of the goalie and let opposing players wail on him. He’s damn distracting for multiple players.

 

[ncm7772]

Awesome thread title!

4 game win streak, team needed that. Not gonna say "they're back" just yet, beating the Sabres and flyers is nothing to get too excited over, but it's a start.

Main thing I'm happy about is Sid playing great right now, and I'm pleasantly surprised with how solid Jarry looks.

 

[ncm7772]

Wouldn't mind if the pens started asking other teams about Murray's value....Jarry looks legit.

Not a chance.

 

[vodeni]

Btw, I know Horny is playing spectacular hockey right now and most of us are on the "re-sign him!" bandwagon as a result, however I'm a little reluctant (or cautious) at the same time. I have a feeling that a strong season from Horny could potentially mean a long term deal that might be somewhat handcuffing a couple years down the road. He plays a style of game that might not carry over all too well with age as the wheels begin to fall off. If we do re-sign him, I just hope we don't feel pressured to offer him something ridiculous (ex. 6 years at close to 5 mill per)

this is inacurate statement, many of us are not on the "re-sign him bandwagon, we are driving the locomotive with a big sign Re-Sign him, we understand what it takes to have a legit LSC contender, we suffered through Bylsma/Shero years watching Sid and Geno being wasted due to lack of Hornquist, Hagelin, Rust, Daley, players that changed the identity of this team and added that missing ingredient. Those guys are not easy to find and whne you find them you keep them no matter what. Without Hornquis we don't win anything, anyone who does not understand this, I am sorry I can't help you...

 

[HandshakeLine]

The Horny Choo-choo is a horrible name for anything except a really "European" train station bar.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I'd resign Hornqvist on a shorter term deal, but his 5v5 production has declined every year with the Penguins, despite playing mostly with Crosby. I'd hate to see what that looks like 6 years down the line.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I'd resign Hornqvist on a shorter term deal, but his 5v5 production has declined every year with the Penguins, despite playing mostly with Crosby. I'd hate to see what that looks like 6 years down the line.

He was taken off Sid’s line about a quarter of the way through last season. Strange since they were dominating the scoreboard.

 

[ColePens]

Re-signing Horny to a short-term deal shouldn't be an option. 72 should not be that dumb. If the Pens sign him to a short-term deal, then wow. Horny better look out for his life and get term here.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Sign him for something starting with a 5 and I honestly don't give a shit how many years he wants. Give him a contract with $5.____ million per for ____ years and let him fill it in. If he wants to push it he will easily get 6m in free agency.

If he tapers off, so be it. Deal with it then. Hope the cap's gone up and we have a few more big years before then.

 

[Andy99]

The Horny Choo-choo is a horrible name for anything except a really "European" train station bar.

Sounds more like a sex toy catalog to me....

 

[Nakawick]

I like Horny, but lets not get too carried away with blank checks and max term here. Horny could turn into Okposo or Ladd pretty easily. Horny is in a good spot here and he knows that.
25 mil for 5 years
22 mil for 4 years
20 mil for 3 years

 

[Ogrezilla]

I like Horny, but lets not get too carried away with blank checks and max term here. Horny could turn into Okposo or Ladd pretty easily. Horny is in a good spot here and he knows that.
25 mil for 5 years
22 mil for 4 years
20 mil for 3 years

I would be surprised if he stayed for any of those deals.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I like Horny, but lets not get too carried away with blank checks and max term here. Horny could turn into Okposo or Ladd pretty easily. Horny is in a good spot here and he knows that.
25 mil for 5 years
22 mil for 4 years
20 mil for 3 years

He’s not getting blank checks or max term here. If we get for 30 mil for 5 years ok but he could possibly get more than that if he wants to leave. Ball is totally in his court.

He’s in a unique situation because style wise he’s the best in a position of need for every team. What that translates into in FA who knows?

Shattenkirk didn’t get a crazy deal even though he was the best D man available but he’s not number 1 in the league in the style he plays and there are more of him than a Hornqvist type. Plus it’s likely he had a destination in mind.

We’ll miss him if he goes

 

[Pengu]

He will probably get 5.5 over 6 years in free agency so I would not expect any short term deal if he is to stay.

 

[Peat]

I would be surprised if he stayed for any of those deals.

I'd have been surprised at the start of the year.

Now that we've got all these predictions of mega cap raise and with him setting off on career year pace, I'd be shocked.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I'd have been surprised at the start of the year.

Now that we've got all these predictions of mega cap raise and with him setting off on career year pace, I'd be shocked.

I had shocked written and edited the post actually

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

I'm not worried about Horny declining. Even if he does, by that time our window will be nearly closed and we could still move him as a PP specialist/veteran leader. We'll probably have a second expansion team to sell to by then as well.