Post-Game Talk: Penguins 4, Panthers 3: Never a Dull Moment

[froods]

I thought the compete level was phenomenal after they went down 2-0. Everybody bought in and worked their butts off.

 

[The Old Master]

One can be afforded that playing behind this team the last couple seasons.

I'm not as sold on Murray simply because of when he came up and what this team has done in front of him. He knows nothing but winning. I'm waiting for the lean years (meaning more than one) to give a good analysis to how great he is. It's too easy to to fall in love with what this team has done and judge a single player on the back of what was a stacked team that could make up for deficiencies. He doesn't know what losing is at the NHL level. He's never had the pressure of being the other guy opposite of this team.

There is a difference.

simple...don't lose.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

What the f*** did I just read?

 

[wgknestrick]

For being 35th in the league in save percentage (announcers kept saying it the entire game on the stream) and not losing a game that's pretty crazy

The reason the team's SV% is so low is that we are also the team who has been SH the most in the NHL. 4v5 SV% is much lower than 5v5.....and Niemi

 

[PensandCaps]

Fleury played on the same team the last two years...and his numbers are clearly worse than Murray's.

If it was just the team carrying Murray the past two years, wouldn't MAF have the same stats?

 

[ColePens]

Logged in and couldn't believe the last 2 pages of discussion. If anyone is questioning Murray or says they "arent sold on him" it's because they have something personal against the situation. That's all there is to it. It's not even worth arguing.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Honestly, Murray has a lot of Grant Fuhr in him. Not in terms of style, but in terms of the mental approach to the position.

Fuhr, in my mind, shook off goals against better than anyone who ever played the position. Murray is similar.

Compare it to Holtby, who seems mesmerized when goals go in on him. His body language is weird.

Hell, even Price completely lost it last night during the Anaheim game.

I think you can make a case for Murray being the best in the game right now.

 

[The GM]

Honestly, Murray has a lot of Grant Fuhr in him. Not in terms of style, but in terms of the mental approach to the position.

Fuhr, in my mind, shook off goals against better than anyone who ever played the position. Murray is similar.

Compare it to Holtby, who seems mesmerized when goals go in on him. His body language is weird.

Hell, even Price completely lost it last night during the Anaheim game.

I think you can make a case for Murray being the best in the game right now.

Let’s just hope Murray doesn’t start hitting the ski hills before the games

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Logged in and couldn't believe the last 2 pages of discussion. If anyone is questioning Murray or says they "arent sold on him" it's because they have something personal against the situation. That's all there is to it. It's not even worth arguing.

It's a well-known fact that if a goalie starts out knowing nothing but winning, a fall from grace is inevitable.

We all remember how Dryden started his career so successfully in Montreal, then hit a losing streak and ended up a male escort doing favours for booger sugar on the Sunset Strip.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'm sorry but I have a really hard time holding a serious conversation with people who aren't "sold" on Murray's ability. And this isn't just here... he seems to have a fair amount of doubters all over Penguins-land at the moment. Which seems ludicrous after everything he's done... but there it is.

If I had to guess... if one were to make a Venn diagram of individuals who hold this opinion and individuals who have Marc-Andre Fleury shrines in their living room, there would be a lot of overlap.

Murray might not have as glorious of a career as some might envision. But it won't be because he's some fraud. I've seen boatloads of goaltenders come and go over the years. And honestly I'm not as good at judging that position as others but I'm confident enough to say Murray has "it." A lot of what a goaltender needs to be successful is upstairs. And Murray's mental game might be the strongest I've seen in a Penguins uniform.

It's for that reason that I'm not nor have I ever been concerned about how he might handle lean times. He'll handle them the same as he's handled everything... because he has a killer mental game.

 

[HandshakeLine]

It's a well-known fact that if a goalie starts out knowing nothing but winning, a fall from grace is inevitable.

We all remember how Dryden started his career so successfully in Montreal, then hit a losing streak and ended up a male escort doing favours for booger sugar on the Sunset Strip.

To be fair, Dryden did end up in politics, so, y'know.... cautionary tales and all.

 

[Ogrezilla]

If I had to guess... if one were to make a Venn diagram of individuals who hold this opinion and individuals who have Marc-Andre Fleury shrines in their living room, there would be a lot of overlap.

I believe that's simply called a circle.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Just look at him.

Murray has thin bones.

Just like Malkin.

 

[HandshakeLine]

No beard genes. And he likes Cold Play.

Look, there's plenty of real reasons to hate Murray. His play hasn't been one of them so far.

 

[ColePens]

No beard genes. And he likes Cold Play.

Look, there's plenty of real reasons to hate Murray. His play hasn't been one of them so far.

I will fight you.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

No beard genes. And he likes Cold Play.

Look, there's plenty of real reasons to hate Murray. His play hasn't been one of them so far.

Personally I choose to hate him because he doesn't do awesome spin-moves like Maffy used to during warmups. He's just so... serious. How dull.

Liking Coldplay is a close second, though. Can't ridicule much when it comes to the weak beard game.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Murray's substandard smile is enough to hate him. #NoSparkle

 

[HandshakeLine]

I will fight you.

Do we have to listen to The Cold Plays while we fight? Or can I put on some grown up music?

 

[JTG]

Honestly, Murray has a lot of Grant Fuhr in him. Not in terms of style, but in terms of the mental approach to the position.

Fuhr, in my mind, shook off goals against better than anyone who ever played the position. Murray is similar.

Compare it to Holtby, who seems mesmerized when goals go in on him. His body language is weird.

Hell, even Price completely lost it last night during the Anaheim game.

I think you can make a case for Murray being the best in the game right now.

Holtby just has no resolve and it's because we have scarred him. You see the first and 2nd goal go in and it's almost like you can hear his thoughts to himself saying, "don't blow it, don't blow it, don't blow it," and then he blows it and the cycle repeats itself.

Murray has a thought process that it's just a game, and you can sort of tell by his interviews. The games aren't too big for him because he's still a kid in Thunder Bay who is playing shinny hockey for fun. This shit isn't life or death for him, and that's why he can be scored on and have a horrible game, and then follow up the next game with a fantastic outing.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Holtby just has no resolve and it's because we have scarred him. You see the first and 2nd goal go in and it's almost like you can hear his thoughts to himself saying, "don't blow it, don't blow it, don't blow it," and then he blows it and the cycle repeats itself.

Murray has a thought process that it's just a game, and you can sort of tell by his interviews. The games aren't too big for him because he's still a kid in Thunder Bay who is playing shinny hockey for fun. This **** isn't life or death for him, and that's why he can be scored on and have a horrible game, and then follow up the next game with a fantastic outing.

I don't read him like that, tbh. I think he's extremely good at moving on from things and we've heard him talk about being in the moment. He's talked and people have talked about him working on his mental game. If anything I think he seems to get pissed off about losing or having a bad game and opposing teams shouldn't want that to happen.

 

[Shrimper]

Murray's stats are somewhat damaged by the anomaly against Chicago. He is playing well but the team in front isn't. He's not the only goalie struggling to start this season. I'm interested in how Niemi responds tonight against Tampa.

 

[Andy99]

Murray's stats are somewhat damaged by the anomaly against Chicago. He is playing well but the team in front isn't. He's not the only goalie struggling to start this season. I'm interested in how Niemi responds tonight against Tampa.

Me too. Actually the whole team tonight. I really hope they focus on defense first, play simply, and stop looking like a dumpster fire in these second b2b games.

Hard to get a read on Niemi with these track meets

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

And besides... this team is hardly playing what I would classify as good hockey, right now. Most of it is actually quite bad. Now, I would never characterize a team with this kind of talent on it as "lean times" but Murray, as far as I can tell, is going about his business like we've always seen.

On that note... man... weird start to this season. Been trying to withhold judgement this early and with so much hockey played the last two seasons. It's tough to tell what are roster issues and what is simply playing off to save some energy.

It's always comforting to see Crosby and Malkin still come through when it matters, though. Even when they seem to be playing half the game or more in a haze.

 

[NMK11]

I mean, if you want to debate whether Murray is the best goalie in the league, fine. But at worst he's really good. Of all the things that need improving this year, goaltending is not one of them.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

To be fair, Dryden did end up in politics, so, y'know.... cautionary tales and all.

When comparing drug addicts to politicians, one of them is a scum sucking sorry excuse for a human being, contributes nothing positive to society, lies, steals, hurts others, cannot be trusted and has no moral backbone or soul. The other is a drug addict.