SeanMoneyHands
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Peak Evgeni Malkin or Nathan MacKinnon right now?
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Peak Malkin in 2011-12 was pretty insane too. Haven't seen Mackinnon lap the league like Malkin did that year.
Malkin's peak 11-12
109 points in 75 games league g/pg 2.73
Adjusted to g/pg of 23-24 (3.12) it comes out as ~124-125 points in 75 games or ~136 point pace over 82 games. MacKinnon currently has 123 points in 72 games. It's pretty close.
109 points in 75 games league g/pg 2.73
Adjusted to g/pg of 23-24 (3.12) it comes out as ~124-125 points in 75 games or ~136 point pace over 82 games. MacKinnon currently has 123 points in 72 games. It's pretty close.
To be fair he is lapping the field outside of McDavid and Kucherov. Can't blame him for having so tough competition at the top this year.
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It's definitely close, but when you consider that Mackinnon gets to play with guys like Rantanen, Nichushkin, and Makar, I think that gives the edge to Malkin. He turned James Neal into a a point per game player - and there was no Crosby for most the year.
Also, scoring increases don't distribute evenly. Typically, top scorers get a larger benefit from incremental scoring benefits (i.e. a 14% increase in league wide scoring probably gives top scores a ~20%+ bump in production).
Example: 10th place in scoring this year is producing at 1.26 points per game vs 0.99 points per game in 2011-12, a 27% increase.
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11/12 or 2009 playoffs Malkin was better than any recent performance done by a player not named McDavid IMO
Agreed with your first paragraph, he doubled Neal's scoring production (he was at 39 points with Dallas the season prior). I also wonder, if for some reason Sid was not on the Penguins and Malkin was the full-fledged #1 C, how much better his scoring stats would be, since he's always been second fiddle to 87.
Play style wise, Malkin can definitely keep up as an individual game breaker with Mack, and I wonder if his playmaking is enough better. I'd probably go with 71 too.
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As an Avs fan, I think I go with Malkin here. I have a hard time imagining Malkin not producing at least as well as Mackinnon if he had Rantanen and Makar to bounce off of. They're actually closer than we used to think though.
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Both numbers include shootout goals. It doesn’t really change much (it would be 2.66 and 3.08). Would be 126 for 75 games or 138 for 82
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2011-12, no Crosby. Malkin MVP + 50 goals.
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For that same reason I assume you'd take peak MacKinnon over peak Crosby? Because a solid argument can be made for peak Geno>Crosby. Malkin just doesn't come close to Crosby's consistency.
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Ask yourself a serious question. Has MacKinnon ever exceeded a level of play reached by Ovechkin or Crosby? Because no matter how brief, Malkin did in 2011-2012 and also out-dueled his own teammate in a complete 2008-2009 regular season and playoff run.
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To be fair, Nichushkin had 10 assists in 57 games in Dallas and had his contract bought out before coming to Colorado.
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Lol people are still using this dumb argument? 2011-2012 happened.
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Yeah, he's definitely helped Nuke, but Nuke has also shown to be a late bloomer and a great player in his own right. I would take Mackinnon's supporting cast over Malkin's in 2011-12 every day of the week.
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How is this fair? You're not crediting MacKinnon for the improvements Nichushkin made, are you?
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