Overage Juniors and College Players now re-enter the draft

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  1. kdb209

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    I brought this up on the Trade Rumors/Free Agent Board on the Jack Johnson thread, but I thought I would post this here too, since this is a somewhat under reported/discussed issue with the new CBA.

    Overage Juniors (21+ yo) and College Players who complete their 4 years no longer become UFAs. Under the new CBA, they re-enter the draft.

    In case you were wondering about the referenced Article 10.1(d):
    Players only become UFAs under 10.1(d) if they are no longer eligible for the draft (for example already drafted twice). Unsigned College Players and Overage Juniors are still eligible under Article 8.4, so they do not become UFAs and instead are eligible to be drafted again.
     
  2. Sam

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    I don't think that's correct with respect to undrafted college players who complete their four years, undrafted overage juniors, and drafted collegiate players who complete their 4 years. Undrafted college players and undrafted overage juniors are not eligible for the draft per article 8.6 (a) (iv) and (v) and thus would be eligible to become UFAs. Drafted college players who complete their four years would be on a club's reserve list and would therefore be ineligible for the draft per article 8.6 (a) (i).

    According to the CBA, the reserve list refers to "the list of all Players to whom a Club has rights including all Unsigned Draft Choices, all Players signed to an SPC (whether or not currently playing in the NHL), and all Players who have signed an SPC but who have subsequently been returned to Juniors." According to Article 8.6 (c) (i),
    Since the club has the rights to their undrafted player until August 15th, he would be on their reserve list come draft time and thus not be eligible for the draft under Article 8.4 (a) (i).

    Drafted unsigned overage juniors do re-enter the draft.
     
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  3. Wetcoaster

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    Also teams no longer can hold the rights to unsigned Euro draft picks in perpetuity. They also go back in the draft.
     
  4. kdb209

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    I was specifically referring to drafted college and junior players. I first posted this in response to the JJ waits 4 years and becomes a UFA posts in the Jack Johnson thread on the Trade Rumours board.

    I specifically noted that when I highlighted the change in Article 8.4(a) from the old CBA to the new - the new CBA adding the qualification "has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft".

    Under the new CBA, overage college players and Juniors who have not been drafted still become UFAs (as they did under the old one). Overage college players and Juniors whe were drafted no longer become ineligible under 8.4(a)(iv), and thus do go back into the draft.

    Yes, the overage College player would still be on the teams Reserve List until August 15 (if he stayed in school) and would not be eligible for that years draft, however he would still eligible for the next years draft, since by then he would no longer be on the reserve list.

    At that point he would still be eligible, since he meets none of the criteria under 8.4(a). He is NOT on a reserve list (i); he has NOT been claimed twice in the draft (ii); he has NOT previously played and become a UFA (iii); and he does NOT meet the "has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft" criteria for (iv) and (v).
     
  5. kdb209

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    Actually, upon further review, it looks like the overage college player has a window that year to enter the leage as a UFA:

    The overage College Player would meet the criteria of 8.9(a), since he was "ineligible for claim under Section 8.4" (8.4(a)(i) - he was on a reserve list at the last draft). He would therefore be eligible to play in the NHL that season and no team would hold his rights after 8/15, so he could sign as a UFA.

    If for some reason he did NOT sign before the next draft though, he would still be eligible to be selected in the that draft.

    This out only applies to a college players who "remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class". If he leaves early, the drafting team still holds his rights until the 4th June 1 following his selection in the draft, and then he would become immediately eligible for the subsequent draft.
     

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