Ovechkin to stay in Russia?

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  1. WalterSobchak

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    Is this what is going to happen...not only with European players who have to make that decision to leave their family, their home and everything they know, but perhaps for highly skilled North Americans?
     
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    Not likely, and especially not with the free agency rules. The sooner they start playing in the NHL, the sooner they can become UFA. Plus, there's the whole issue of playing with the best of the best. While the Russian Super-League is competitive, it's not the NHL, and if a player is concerned about their long-term development, they're best to put themselves against the toughest competition available.
     
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    The title is a bit misleading. Edit- the article where Ovechkin talks about staying in Omsk definitively was under some skepticism.
     
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    I want to see both Ovechkin and Crosby this year~!
     
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    The whole business of $1.8M v $850k is overplayed by some. The best rookies will make their bonus money and take their A's for $1.7M, with the uber-rooks perhaps dipping into the B's and trophy money.

    I bet he comes over.
     
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    There are going to be restrictions on the types of bonuses that can be offered, and if it's not Ovechkin that decides to stay, it will be someone else. A young stud Euro will eventually be granted unrestricted free agency in the league at age 28 whether they've played seven years in the league or not, so why not make $2 million per year until that time and THEN come over? Overall, we're going to see fewer Europeans and Russians in the league when the salaries that many of them can be offered here is considerably lessened.
     
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    But we're talking about Ovechkin... who could probably make the max 850K for 3 years then make 4 million the next 5 years at minimum.
     
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    I agree that it may be a deterrent to some, but I think that the type of player that can command $2M in Europe is the type of player that can hit his schedule A's. If missing A's is a concern for some, those aren't likely guys that will get big Euro paydays anyway.

    I think we'll know what Don Meehan thinks of the NHL rookie bonuses tonight. If he feels Ovechkin can hit them, then I think he'll come over. Hopefully he comes anyway because of a desire to play in the NHL, but obviously money must play its part.
     
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    Make 850k with 15% of that in escrow, which he may never see. Ditto with the 4 million.

    And what will the rules be regarding RFA signings? Do teams still have to give up two livers and a lung like the last agreement? If so, than what Ovechkin makes comes down to what the Caps decide to offer him, which may not be 4 million if they can't fit it into their salary cap. So then, what are his options? Aside from that, 2 million (escrow free!) in Moscow goes about as far as 4 million in the States, anyway.
     
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    In todays washington post...

    Ovechkin Faces Deadline...

     
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    Thats true for one whole year. If Ovechkin plays in the NHL now, he becomes a free agent at age 26. If he doesnt, he becomes a free agent at 27, regardless of how many years he plays in Russia. If Ovechkin has an offer of 1 mil (and I've heard rumours that it could be as high as 2), its easily in his best interest to stay in Russia. After taxes, his take home pay in the US would be less than half what he would be making in Russia. Really the only rational for coming over would be because he want to play against the best players.
     
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    I wonder if Don gets his commission if Ovechkin signs in Russia?

    On another note, I thought that Washington paid the Russian league for Oveckin's release or did that not happen.
     
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    That's crazy ... (good crazy) ...

    NHL to AO: here's your rookie max salary ... but if you rock, there's another $4M in it for you ...
     
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    is it just me or do you see another ''Yashin'' coming to the NHL?
     
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    Hmmm.....how much of a signing bonus would the Caps be willing to give Ovechkin if it weren't for the ELS limits? Perhaps they would be willing to part with that same sum as a 'transfer fee' for acquiring Ovechkin from Omsk. Perhaps Omsk in a gesture of kindness would be give Ovechkin a significant portion of that 'transfer fee' as a transfer bonus.
     
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    You'd think it wouldn't be about the money. It bugs me a little that this seems to be the only consideration here. Perhaps he's another Yashin/Mogilny - perhaps not.

    It is sad to see, however, such a talented player surrounded by purely money talk.

    Any word on Malkin? I suppose he'll stay in Russia for one more year. I like him better than AO.
     
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    Wow! So only two livers and half a lung. How generous of the owners!
     
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    Yeah, and the potential to be a full UFA at the age of 25, six years earlier than under the old CBA.

    What slavedrivers...
     
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    Yeah, but the salary cap also makes those draft picks more valuable. Since drafted players generally play for below market value, a good crop of young players is necessary for fitting a contender under a cap.
     
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    How can you pay a transfer fee if there's no transfer agreement?

    And no, the Caps have not paid any Russian team for Ovechkin's release --- they will not do so until their is a signed IIHF transfer agreement in place.
     
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