Ovechkin shows why he is # 1

[KariyaIsGod*]

He's a better playmaker, yes, but Ovechkin is twice the goalscorer.

Are you joking?

Crosby is not Ron Francis here...

 

[KariyaIsGod*]

uh crosby is clearly playing on a team with more offensive talent than ovechkin. what is it, Lemiuex, Palffy, Leclair, Recchi and gonchar and tarnstrom from the blueline.

Yeah, and those 6 sure looked great last night..


Clearly, they have some rust to shake off.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Yeah, and those 6 sure looked great last night..


Clearly, they have some rust to shake off.

The advantage Sid has from having them on the team may be more long term than current. Most of these guys, as great as they are, are past their primes. But in terms of assisting Sid in his "youngest guy in a long time to play in the NHL "year (Bergeron was close), these guys may be absolutely ideal.

In contrast, Ovechkin may be ready for the role as the go to guy in Washington. He may even be a dominant player this year. Sooner than most expect. He could run away with the Calder.

This has no reflection on Sid (outside the hype). The last two guys to win the Calder in their draft year (Samsonov, Lemieux) were born in October and they didn't have to contend with all the guys who would have had their rookie year the previous year.

The main thing for Sid this year is staying injury free and learning to excel in the best league a kid his age has ever played in. At the same age Gretzky was (edit: he was in the WHA) and Lemieux was just starting his third and final year of junior. He may not be ready to win the Calder this year. He may not be ready to be the youngest ever to win the Calder, and win it inspite of the "would be sophomore" competition.

But he's ready for the challenge!

 

[gb701]

It was tounge in cheek. The constant pimping is tiresome and its been going on by the same group of posters in every thread on every topic for the past 2 years.

the only word for it is what you used - pimping.

let all the kids have a couple of months to adjust to the NHL game they are just starting and we can all enjoy how good they turn out to be, and start to rank them with something more that juvenile crushes.

The original post on this thread - "shows why he is #1" - set the stupid tone for what followed. Why am I not surprised?

I am glad that rookies around the league had good starts last night.

 

[gb701]

At the same age Gretzky was finishing his first and only year of junior and Lemieux was just starting his third and final year of junior.

You were doing fine until you just couldn't resist the inevitable comparison that would make "the kid" look just a little bit better.

Get your facts straight:

Crosby - Born Aug 7/87 - plays first pro game at the age of 18 years 2 months, give or take a couple of days.

Gretzky - Born Jan 26/61 - plays first pro game (WHA) in Indianapolis in the fall of 1978 - Age 17 years 8 months more or less. That follow one year of what would now be called Major junior (at 16), and two years of what would now be Junior A (starting at 14).

Stick to what you know.

 

[I am Jack's Fish]

You know people, there is a great "Brodeur is over-rated" thread that can use some more horse-flogging...

 

[Epsilon]

You know people, there is a great "Brodeur is over-rated" thread that can use some more horse-flogging...

You know, after the first game of the season I'm thinking that Atlanta, Nashville, and Carolina should be contracted, while Tampa Bay should be moved to Winnipeg...

 

[Debrincat93]

i love how great some posters are. The guy was just displaying how great it is that a future hopeful icon is performing up to par, like many would have done if Crosby scored, and he gets bashed? what a joke...

i for one am thrilled he is doing well so far, tho its only one game, hopefully tomorrow or saturday, whenever he plays next he will continue the wave of short lived success thus far

 

[Vagrant]

Are you joking?

Crosby is not Ron Francis here...

So you're saying that Crosby doesn't have 549 career goals and is the only player besides Gordie Howe to record 21 or more seasons with 20 or more goals? Or is it that Francis is in the Top 20 all time in goal scoring that makes him not Crosby?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

i love how great some posters are. The guy was just displaying how great it is that a future hopeful icon is performing up to par, like many would have done if Crosby scored, and he gets bashed? what a joke...

i for one am thrilled he is doing well so far, tho its only one game, hopefully tomorrow or saturday, whenever he plays next he will continue the wave of short lived success thus far

If you can not see why a thread entitled 'Ovechkin shows why he is # 1' . . . after one whole game . . . is idiotic and inflamatory on its face, then I see no hope of convincing you otherwise. But I will at least try. If a thread had been started doing what you claimed, saying that AO looked pretty awesome and had a great debut, I doubt that there would have been much controversy. I in fact wholeheartedly agree with those sentiments. I was impressed. This thread did none of what you claim it did however. Nor was it intended to. This thread was entirely trolling for a reaction and in fact got just what the thread starter wished for.

 

[EroCaps]

If you can not see why a thread entitled 'Ovechkin shows why he is # 1' . . . after one whole game . . . is idiotic and inflamatory on its face, then I see no hope of convincing you otherwise. But I will at least try. If a thread had been started doing what you claimed, saying that AO looked pretty awesome and had a great debut, I doubt that there would have been much controversy. I in fact wholeheartedly agree with those sentiments. I was impressed. This thread did none of what you claim it did however. Nor was it intended to. This thread was entirely trolling for a reaction and in fact got just what the thread starter wished for.

You make a pretty valid point, maybe the title should have been

"Ovechkin shows why he is probably #1 after 1 game and the Penguins were facing the Devils".

 

[Debrincat93]

If you can not see why a thread entitled 'Ovechkin shows why he is # 1' . . . after one whole game . . . is idiotic and inflamatory on its face, then I see no hope of convincing you otherwise. But I will at least try. If a thread had been started doing what you claimed, saying that AO looked pretty awesome and had a great debut, I doubt that there would have been much controversy. I in fact wholeheartedly agree with those sentiments. I was impressed. This thread did none of what you claim it did however. Nor was it intended to. This thread was entirely trolling for a reaction and in fact got just what the thread starter wished for.

true, but a lot of ppl are being very sarcastic and not sticking to the topic, after a while it gets pretty annoying, repetitive and pointless. Its getting harder and harder in here these days with quality conversations without it getting out of control rediculous

 

[SwOOsh*]

Did anyone say that? I don't think any reasonable people are challenging that contention.

Personally, I now despise Ovechkin. Not because of anything he did, its because of posters like Eurocaps, Swoosh, CSKA etc.

What did I do?

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Are you joking?

Crosby is not Ron Francis here...

He'll be lucky to score as many goals and points as Ronnie Franchise did.

 

[Transported Upstater]

The media is making a bush mistake ignoring Ovechkin and comparing Crosby to Lemieux and Gretzky.

It'll probably be a blessing in disguise for Ovechkin, bc in the end I can't find anything about Crosby's game outside of his dialect that makes him that much more valuable to the NHL.

Regardless of which player is better as of right now, Crosby's importance to the NHL is FAR greater.

 

[Transported Upstater]

You know, after the first game of the season I'm thinking that Atlanta, Nashville, and Carolina should be contracted, while Tampa Bay should be moved to Winnipeg...

 

[Transported Upstater]

it's very sad. Can't anyone appreciate both Corsby and Ovechkin??

I can. I do.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Are you joking?

Crosby is not Ron Francis here...

I think Ron Francis is one of the most underrated players ever...

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Boston drafted both Joe Thornton and Sergei Samsonov early in the first round of the draft a few years ago.

Samsonov dominated his rookie season winning the Calder trophy. Thornton struggled and was sent down.

Who went on to emerge as the bigger star and more successful career to date?

.

He was kept on the fourth line all year, to be honest.

 

[Crosbyfan]

You were doing fine until you just couldn't resist the inevitable comparison that would make "the kid" look just a little bit better.

Get your facts straight:

Crosby - Born Aug 7/87 - plays first pro game at the age of 18 years 2 months, give or take a couple of days.

Gretzky - Born Jan 26/61 - plays first pro game (WHA) in Indianapolis in the fall of 1978 - Age 17 years 8 months more or less. That follow one year of what would now be called Major junior (at 16), and two years of what would now be Junior A (starting at 14).

Stick to what you know.

Your right, and Gretzky obviously would have won the Calder (and he outplayed all the sophomores also)in his "draft year" if he wasn't ruled ineligible due to WHA play. Still 6 months older than Sid in first NHL season though.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Did anyone say that? I don't think any reasonable people are challenging that contention.

Personally, I now despise Ovechkin. Not because of anything he did, its because of posters like Eurocaps, Swoosh, CSKA etc.

And North Americans can't be biased?

What about that time I heard someone try to tell me Glenn Anderson makes Valeri Kharlamov look talentless?

 

[Corto]

It goes both ways.

Most of the NHL fans (of teh other 29 teams) are getting sick of the Crosby hype.
And to be honest, so am I, even being a Pens fan.

IMHO; Ovechkin is the better player at the moment. And there are a few more rookies who I think will do better than Crosby this year.

That said... Crosby has the most potential.

And maybe surprisingly.. If I'd have to choose now a prospect and say "he's gonna have the best career".... I'd pick Evgeni Malkin over the entire rookie class currently in the NHL.

but you know what they say about opinions...

BTW; saying you DESPISE AO cos of something some fans said?? Well, they probably only said that cos of something Pens fans and the media are saying about Crosby.

Like someone said... Why can't you just enjoy both their games and be happy you get to watch them??

 

[Transported Upstater]

It goes both ways.

Most of the NHL fans (of teh other 29 teams) are getting sick of the Crosby hype.
And to be honest, so am I, even being a Pens fan.

IMHO; Ovechkin is the better player at the moment. And there are a few more rookies who I think will do better than Crosby this year.

That said... Crosby has the most potential.

And maybe surprisingly.. If I'd have to choose now a prospect and say "he's gonna have the best career".... I'd pick Evgeni Malkin over the entire rookie class currently in the NHL.

but you know what they say about opinions...

BTW; saying you DESPISE AO cos of something some fans said?? Well, they probably only said that cos of something Pens fans and the media are saying about Crosby.

Like someone said... Why can't you just enjoy both their games and be happy you get to watch them??

Penguins fans should consider themselves lucky, for the first time in a while. Good for them, Pittsburgh deserves it...

 

[Tighina]

How can you compare a 20-y.o. with 2 solid seasons of adult professional hockey and an 18-y.o. who's only played against kids before? You can't. And it's very understandable that Ovey blasted into the league like it's the easiest thing in the world, while Crosby's debut was underwhelming.

They'll both be great players eventually and will likely have a lot of respect for each other, even if their respective fans find it easier to throw feces around. It's probably all a reaction to the hype. Oh, well, what can you do.

 

[Crosbyfan]

And North Americans can't be biased?

What about that time I heard someone try to tell me Glenn Anderson makes Valeri Kharlamov look talentless?

Were they slurring their speech?