Out of Town - Who's your team during these Playoffs

[Wats]

I wonder if there was Niedermayer haters back in 2007, saying he shouldn't be finalist for the Norris since he wasn't the clear-cut best Dman on his team? Chris Pronger was with the Ducks back then, and he was seen as arguably the best Dman in the league. In fact, both finished 2nd and 3rd in the Norris voting that year...

The 'best Dman of his team' argument is just a sad attempt at detracting Subban. The irony is Weber had Suter/Josi/Hamhuis/etc in his tenure with Preds and same people will pretend like that's completely different.

 

[Laurentide]

Im conflicted. This is mean but at the same time hilarious.

Go to his twitter feed, ask him to justify his love for Jason Ward and wait 2 minutes. You won't be conflicted anymore.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Just guessing...

Niedermayer, Pronger, Coffey, Chelios

+ Bourque

 

[Tighthead]

I wonder if there was Niedermayer haters back in 2007, saying he shouldn't be finalist for the Norris since he wasn't the clear-cut best Dman on his team? Chris Pronger was with the Ducks back then, and he was seen as arguably the best Dman in the league. In fact, both finished 2nd and 3rd in the Norris voting that year...

I don’t recall outrage when Mario and Jaromir were both Hart finalists in 2001. How can 2/3 guys in the league who are most valuable to their team be that for the same team?

Gallo made a good point on the radio just now. Has there ever been another occasion where the nomination of a previous winner has raised so much anger?

 

[Andy]

I just don't get what Subban has to do to earn respect for his on-ice contribution.

 

[Mrb1p]

I just don't get what Subban has to do to earn respect for his on-ice contribution.

He got a Norris, he's got two other noms, and he's got like 3 AS in the last six years... I'd say he's pretty much respected for his on-ice contribution.

 

[NotProkofievian]

 

[Andy]

He got a Norris, he's got two other noms, and he's got like 3 AS in the last six years... I'd say he's pretty much respected for his on-ice contribution.

I'm talking about hockey fans in general, on this board, on twitter, in comments sections on articles. Subban is seldom given unconditional praise, it's always qualified, if it is even given.

There is still a narrative pushed by some existing analysts that he's a number 4 dman on his team. It's absurd.

His first norris was qualified, his AS appearances are qualified, his selection on the Olympic team was qualified. Dude keeps proving the narratives about his game wrong with his play, but the narratives remain.

First he's gonna get it one day, then he doesn't respect older players, then he's too risky, then he's not any better than MDZ, then he's just a PP specialists, then he's just an offensive d-man, then he only won a norris in a lockout year and should be asterixed bc of the shorten season, then he doesn't play on the PK, then a team can't win with his attitude, then he's selfish, then he's not an all around d-man, then his goal scoring days are behind him, then he's a number 4 d-man, then he's not even the best d-man on his team.

No one else faces the same long list of qualifications to his accomplishments. He is consistently one of the best d-men in the entire league and people still have to argue that he is among the elite dmen in the game.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm talking about hockey fans in general, on this board, on twitter, in comments sections on articles. Subban is seldom given unconditional praise, it's always qualified, if it is even given.

There is still a narrative pushed by some existing analysts that he's a number 4 dman on his team. It's absurd.

His first norris was qualified, his AS appearances are qualified, his selection on the Olympic team was qualified. Dude keeps proving the narratives about his game wrong with his play, but the narratives remain.

First he's gonna get it one day, then he doesn't respect older players, then he's too risky, then he's not any better than MDZ, then he's just a PP specialists, then he's just an offensive d-man, then he only won a norris in a lockout year and should be asterixed bc of the shorten season, then he doesn't play on the PK, then a team can't win with his attitude, then he's selfish, then he's not an all around d-man, then his goal scoring days are behind him, then he's a number 4 d-man, then he's not even the best d-man on his time.

No one else faces the same long list of qualifications to his accomplishments.

Come on... that's just because you're emotionally invested in this... Karlsson gets that hate, Weber gets that hate, Crosby gets that hate, Ovechkin gets that hate, Burns gets that hate... It is obviously more because he was a Hab, thats for sure, the same way Carey Price needs to prove to everyone he's a starter after a bad year behind this team, or the same way he "never won anything" so he's not good.

It's not something exclusive to Subban, every star player goes through it, except the universally loved ones like Malkin, Bergeron, Kopitar, etc...

 

[Laurentide]

The praise is qualified because his game is not without its shortcomings. He's not the black Bobby Orr. He's a great defenseman but he's not perfection. He still produces more turnovers than the average bakery. He still takes unnecessary risks, he still gets burned occasionally. The good greatly outweighs the bad but he's flawed like most players.

I suspect that his persona is what causes people to look harder to find faults with him and all I can say to that is "too bad". If you want to be a "look at me!" kind of guy, don't get upset when people look and find you wanting in certain respects. Nobody picks apart Jonathan Toews' game and it's not because he has no faults, it's because he doesn't constantly call attention to himself so people are less inclined to nitpick.

 

[ECWHSWI]

These are not mutually exclusive. Paul Byron IS a skilled player, his skills are speed, good on the forecheck, IQ and defensive skill. You need those too. I dont get your point. Does having Byron, even at 3 millions/year, prevents us from having great players? I'm not talking about the fact we rely on him too much. I think too that the Habs have an obsession over bottom 6 players. But we're talking about a guy who CAN play, produces and can fit on any line and skates as fast as the fastest players in the league.

Even if you go and rebuild, you need some good vets. Byron has a remarkable work ethic and commitment that Id want my young players to follow. He hustles like a demon. Sell the Shaws, DLR, D-Lo, Froese etc. I dont give a crap. But Byron is a good player to have, whether you are trying to rebuild or to compete. For sure if you get an offer that you cant refuse for him you take it.

come on now, including those in skills ????


sure can, that's wha he does with the Habs right ? and it sure helps them make the PO and helps them in those like we saw last season...

 

[ECWHSWI]

You mean 3rd liners that have 42 g the last 2 years.., yes I’ll keep him
Might as well get rid of Gallagher since he played with 3rd line Byron
Great argument you have there. It’s called depth
Every team needs it.
Watch some hockey
Yup Paul Byron making 3 million will prevent the Habs from getting skilled players. Lol. Great argument.

you and MB thinking alike, kudos

 

[RickP]

Funny to see the different perceptions between markets... People in MTL media think Subban is #4 in Nashville, and they say he's been invisible in the playoffs... Yet, here's what someone covering the Avs wrote, prior to tonight's game:

The top pairing of P.K. Subban and Matthias Ekholm has been lights out all series so with the Preds having home ice advantage, Peter Laviolette is going to be able to match them up with the MacKinnon line as much as he wants.

Game day thread and preview: Colorado Avalanche look to stay alive in Game 5

 

[Miller Time]

The praise is qualified because his game is not without its shortcomings. He's not the black Bobby Orr. He's a great defenseman but he's not perfection. He still produces more turnovers than the average bakery. He still takes unnecessary risks, he still gets burned occasionally. The good greatly outweighs the bad but he's flawed like most players.

I suspect that his persona is what causes people to look harder to find faults with him and all I can say to that is "too bad". If you want to be a "look at me!" kind of guy, don't get upset when people look and find you wanting in certain respects. Nobody picks apart Jonathan Toews' game and it's not because he has no faults, it's because he doesn't constantly call attention to himself so people are less inclined to nitpick.

Could be his persona....

Could be his skin colour....

Of the two, one is far more consistent with this exact type of bias in basically every industry in Western society.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Could be his persona....

Could be his skin colour....

Of the two, one is far more consistent with this exact type of bias in basically every industry in Western society.

It couldn't possibly be both? Some may dislike him primarily because he's black and others might primarily dislike him because he's a knob?

 

[Zorba]

you and MB thinking alike, kudos

Yup. You know little about hockey.
John Tavares won’t sign in Montreal because Paul Byron a 20 goal , 3rd line winger is making 3million. Lol lol. Obviously you don’t know much how hockey teams are assembled. You need 4 lines
Paul Byron is useful player. Has 13 less goals than Galchenyuk over the last 3 years playing THIRD line and little PP.
man get a clue. You’re embarrassing yourself

 

[ECWHSWI]

It couldn't possibly be both? Some may dislike him primarily because he's black and others might primarily dislike him because he's a knob?

when it's the Doughty or Burns they're funny, entertaining and whatnot, when it's Subban he's a knob...

 

[PhysicX]

Funny to see the different perceptions between markets... People in MTL media think Subban is #4 in Nashville, and they say he's been invisible in the playoffs... Yet, here's what someone covering the Avs wrote, prior to tonight's game:

The top pairing of P.K. Subban and Matthias Ekholm has been lights out all series so with the Preds having home ice advantage, Peter Laviolette is going to be able to match them up with the MacKinnon line as much as he wants.

Game day thread and preview: Colorado Avalanche look to stay alive in Game 5

Ron Fournier would deny this, then he'd close your line and go to the next caller.

As would many more media personalities in Quebec.

 

[MaxDummy]

The praise is qualified because his game is not without its shortcomings. He's not the black Bobby Orr. He's a great defenseman but he's not perfection. He still produces more turnovers than the average bakery. He still takes unnecessary risks, he still gets burned occasionally. The good greatly outweighs the bad but he's flawed like most players.

I suspect that his persona is what causes people to look harder to find faults with him and all I can say to that is "too bad". If you want to be a "look at me!" kind of guy, don't get upset when people look and find you wanting in certain respects. Nobody picks apart Jonathan Toews' game and it's not because he has no faults, it's because he doesn't constantly call attention to himself so people are less inclined to nitpick.

You said before that you don't even watch Nashville ... Why even bother saying all that?

 

[Zorba]

come on now, including those in skills ????


sure can, that's wha he does with the Habs right ? and it sure helps them make the PO and helps them in those like we saw last season...

Galchenyuk helped us make the playoffs too?
Drouin?? Lol. You’re too funny.

 

[MaxDummy]

The only thing I'll say is that with Subban there is ALWAYS a "yeah but" It's like that since he stepped foot in the NHL.

 

[Frank Drebin]

when it's the Doughty or Burns they're funny, entertaining and whatnot, when it's Subban he's a knob...

Doughty is an arrogant dbag, burns and his beard are cringy and lame. I also think Matt Murray is a little prick.

I am a huge fan of karlsson though. Seems like a genuinely nice guy.

 

[PhysicX]

when it's the Doughty or Burns they're funny, entertaining and whatnot, when it's Subban he's a knob...

Hedman's spear to Coleman's groin or Doughty's shenanigans in the playoffs aren't as bad right? I'm not shocked Frank Drebin says this kind of shit. Innate bias.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Hedman's spear to Coleman's groin or Doughty's shenanigans in the playoffs aren't as bad right? I'm not shocked Frank Drebin says this kind of ****. Innate bias.

It's easy to say isn't it. If you think Subban is a knob you must be racist.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hedman's spear to Coleman's groin or Doughty's shenanigans in the playoffs aren't as bad right? I'm not shocked Frank Drebin says this kind of ****. Innate bias.

To be honest, Subban already did all of that.