Out of Town - Who's your team during these Playoffs

[Andy]

I just hope Subban wins it because he deserves it. Dude has been in the league for 10 years and can never get any credit for anything he does. It's absolutely ridiculous. Every time he has some achievement it always has to be accompanied by some qualifier.

The hate surrounding this guy is a little irrational. He isn't the only disturber and troll on the ice, but the hate that attitude causes is so damn disproportional. It's quite pathetic.

 

[Captain Mountain]

And then says that DLR led all NHL centermen in hits per game this year and he found that pretty impressive.

BTW, are the people that wanted Montreal to be much more physical in years past happy now that Montreal had the most hits in the league?

 

[Mrb1p]

I just hope Subban wins it because he deserves it. Dude has been in the league for 10 years and can never get any credit for anything he does. It's absolutely ridiculous. Every time he has some achievement it always has to be accompanied by some qualifier.

The hate surrounding this guy is a little irrational. He isn't the only disturbing and troll on the ice, but the hate that attitude causes is so damn disproportional. It's quite pathetic.

Blame it on the Habs, had he entered the league on any other team he wouldn't get half the hate.

 

[Mrb1p]

BTW, are the people that wanted Montreal to be much more physical in years past happy now that Montreal had the most hits in the league?

Damn right, we crushed them! AND WE EVEN LOST OUR BEST HITTER TO NASHVILLE IMAGINE ADDING ANOTHER 300 HITS!!!!!!!!!!!11!111!

 

[Captain Mountain]

All this proves is that Grant doesn't even understand traditional stats, let alone more modern ones.

Like, Plus/minus is straight up misleading. TOI isn't a function of skill or ability, its a coaching decision and reliant on what alternatives there are, more hits are often a negative, especially when you're a player that handles the puck a lot, SOG for a defenceman isn't that important (and Subban scored a ton anyways for a D-man, so who cares), PDO is a measure of luck more than anything else, giveaways happen when you handle the puck a lot (and are manually tracked with wildly different definitions from arena to arena) and both that Corsi and Fenwick isn't bad and doesn't offer much help without much more context.

Like, the only stat he didn't misuse was points, and 8th in points is pretty fantastic.

I REALLY hope that the Habs FO understands stats better than this, or its going to take a great deal of luck for this team to not screw the pooch for a long time.

 

[Bryson]

Top 5 dman in the entire world . Plays shutdown D or can light it up in the offensive zone. Who did we trade this guy for again?

A jack nicklaus wannabe

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

All this proves is that Grant doesn't even understand traditional stats, let alone more modern ones.

Like, Plus/minus is straight up misleading. TOI isn't a function of skill or ability, its a coaching decision and reliant on what alternatives there are, more hits are often a negative, especially when you're a player that handles the puck a lot, SOG for a defenceman isn't that important (and Subban scored a ton anyways for a D-man, so who cares), PDO is a measure of luck more than anything else, giveaways happen when you handle the puck a lot (and are manually tracked with wildly different definitions from arena to arena) and both that Corsi and Fenwick isn't bad and doesn't offer much help without much more context.

Like, the only stat he didn't misuse was points, and 8th in points is pretty fantastic.

I REALLY hope that the Habs FO understands stats better than this, or its going to take a great deal of luck for this team to not screw the pooch for a long time.

I don't think they do.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't think they do.

Based on their decision making lately, that's my feeling as well. Which is concerning. And I don't think Bergevin is willing to actually shake up his management mix, considering he's been even more committed to them than his coaches.

 

[HabsQC]

I said "Plekasex" in the TO-BOS series thread and I was asked if I did it on purpose

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I said "Plekasex" in the TO-BOS series thread and I was asked if I did it on purpose

You need to show them the pic. Guaranteed you'll get some good laughs.

 

[Deluded Puck]

I don't think they do.

Then we can forget about building a serious contender under this regime.

 

[Tighthead]

Grant got a retweet from Jack Todd, what higher validation is there?

Jack who has called Bergevin critics morons, and wrote a column at the start of the season talking about the Habs contending for their 25th Cup.

 

[BlackStar]

Grant is the type of guy I'd totally accidentally on purpose trip if I saw on the street and then accidentally on purpose fall on top of him with my elbow directed right to his mouth.

I hope Recrutes shuts down at the end of the year so he could go back to cleaning toilets.

Grant single-handedly proves that the "experts" are mostly idiots.

 

[BlackStar]

Where did you get the all situation?

Every stat tells you Doughty doesnt belong... freaking ridiculous that Jones and Burns are not there, they both absolutely carried their teams.

Burns is the most sheltered star defensemen in the league. He cannot play defense, and for that reason he receives extremely little defensive assignments. Seth Jones is also really good, but he too isn't nearly as good defensively as some make him out to be. I think Doughty is overrated too. But he's better than Burns and Jones, and he certainly performed better than them this season.

 

[Mrb1p]

Burns is the most sheltered star defensemen in the league. He cannot play defense, and for that reason he receives extremely little defensive assignments. Seth Jones is also really good, but he too isn't nearly as good defensively as some make him out to be. I think Doughty is overrated too. But he's better than Burns and Jones, and he certainly performed better than them this season.

Who gives a flying crap about defense. This is duch 2000 thinking. Have you ever heard of a GOAT being good defensively? Usually its because the have some huge offensive short comings. This defensive crap is getting on my nerves hard. Its basically people justifying their beliefs with intangibles. This is the shit that got people to say Toews is better than Crosby.

Burns offensive numbers are out of this world and with normal luck on his shooting he wouldve produced something like 90 points. His offensive dominance was Mcdavid level relative to his position.

Jones did more with less than the three nominees too.

 

[Lebowski]

Who gives a flying crap about defense. This is duch 2000 thinking. Have you ever heard of a GOAT being good defensively? Usually its because the have some huge offensive short comings. This defensive crap is getting on my nerves hard. Its basically people justifying their beliefs with intangibles. This is the **** that got people to say Toews is better than Crosby.

Burns offensive numbers are out of this world and with normal luck on his shooting he wouldve produced something like 90 points. His offensive dominance was Mcdavid level relative to his position.

Jones did more with less than the three nominees too.

You don't get credit for taking shots and not scoring goals, though. Burns would have gotten some recognition had he scored at a 30 goal clip. That's why he ended up winning the Norris last year.

Jones did more with less, I don't think I can agree with that. Of course, Hedman played on an absolutely stacked team, but Subban and Doughty were both among the top offensive contributors of their respective team. Jones was in a similar position as these two, but at the end of the day he's the least proven of the bunch, had the least points of the bunch, had the weakest +/- and spent the least amount of time on the PK.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think Werenski is better than Jones

 

[Forum93]

BTW, are the people that wanted Montreal to be much more physical in years past happy now that Montreal had the most hits in the league?

Its Julien bringing his beloved Bruins mentality to the Hab-less, but he forgot these Hab-less are not the Bruins. No wonder Bruins got rid of him after missing the playoffs the past 2 years.

 

[OldCraig71]

Must be nice to be the only one with a clue

 

[Mrb1p]

You don't get credit for taking shots and not scoring goals, though. Burns would have gotten some recognition had he scored at a 30 goal clip. That's why he ended up winning the Norris last year.

Jones did more with less, I don't think I can agree with that. Of course, Hedman played on an absolutely stacked team, but Subban and Doughty were both among the top offensive contributors of their respective team. Jones was in a similar position as these two, but at the end of the day he's the least proven of the bunch, had the least points of the bunch, had the weakest +/- and spent the least amount of time on the PK.

Few points.

I agree that you don't get credit for it, but he does get credit for driving his offense and his 350ish shots are a pretty good indicator of that.

On Jones, that's a lot more "reputation" than actual play though and it's stupid. "He's the least proven" ? What the heck ? Weakest +/- ? Come on... Jones was a +10 on a plus 19 team... Subban was plus 18 on a PLUS 59 TEAM , Hedman ? +32 ON A +56 TEAM...


Colombus had four player over 48 points... (Including himself...) Nashville had seven... Tampa ten.

Hedman was 5th in scoring on his own team 26 PP points, Subban was 3rd in scoring with 25 PP points, both on a 25% ish PP...

Seth Jones was 2nd in scoring, with 24 points on the PP, on a 17% PP.

I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people didn't give a flying f*** when PK won his Norris without a second of PK time in 2013, I wonder why.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You don't throw hits if you have the puck. That would be interference. More hits means you're either chasing the puck alot in your own end or you're chipping and chasing a lot. Which means you're not controlling zone entries

 

[Mrb1p]

I think Werenski is better than Jones

 

[WeThreeKings]

Werenski impressives me all the time. It's close but I take age into account too.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Who gives a flying crap about defense. This is duch 2000 thinking. Have you ever heard of a GOAT being good defensively? Usually its because the have some huge offensive short comings. This defensive crap is getting on my nerves hard. Its basically people justifying their beliefs with intangibles. This is the **** that got people to say Toews is better than Crosby.

Burns offensive numbers are out of this world and with normal luck on his shooting he wouldve produced something like 90 points. His offensive dominance was Mcdavid level relative to his position.

Jones did more with less than the three nominees too.

Uh, its not just 2000 thinking. Burns has notable defensive issues that hurt his overall impact. He's absolutely dynamic offensively, but unless he actually finishes, he's not going to get praise. When he's producing, its fantastic, but if he's getting unlucky, he's not going to bring high end defence to make up for that.

Jones (assuming Seth here) is great, but he also played the vast majority of the season with Werenski, who is also great. Subban's most common D partner was Emelin. Hedman's was Dotchin. Doughty's was Forbort. That's a significant difference in on-ice support. And its not like Jones even outclassed those guys with Werenski. The pool of potential Norris winners was certainly more than three deep this year.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Its Julien bringing his beloved Bruins mentality to the Hab-less, but he forgot these Hab-less are not the Bruins. No wonder Bruins got rid of him after missing the playoffs the past 2 years.

Ya, the problem isn't mentality, its that the team wasn't good enough. Hitting just isn't an indicator of a teams ability. Pittsburgh hit a lot this season. So did Boston. You need skill and speed to pull it off and the Habs have precious little of the former and have been slipping badly on the latter.