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Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by TeamPlayer, Jan 18, 2004.

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  1. TeamPlayer

    TeamPlayer Registered User

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    If for arguements sake Zherdev was a year younger, where do you think he would go in the 2004 draft class? Obviously behind Ovechkin, but would any of the other prospects be considered "better prospects" ie. Barker, Olesz, Malkin etc? Im trying to get a read on the skill level of the 2004 class as compared to the 2003 class of players, as I for one think that Zherdev should have been if not the #1 overall (due to fleurys immediate success), but at the very least #2 overall due to his skill level alone.

    Thanking you all in advance for your opinions!
     
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    Let me start it out, I believe the order would go:

    Ovechkin
    Zherdev
    Malkin
    Barker
    Olesz
     
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    Yeah, that's how it would look like if Nikolai would have been involved in this years draft..
     
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    Is Ovechkin really that much better than Zherdev?
     
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    defenitely 2nd
     
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    Thats something Ive been wondering, because Zherdev sure looks really good!
     
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    Zherdev
    Ovechkin
    Olesz
    Chipchura
    Malkin
     
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    Yeah right.

    Everyone and their brother said that, if elligible, Ovechkin would have easily gone #1 overall in 2003.
     
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    From what Ive seen from those 2, I think I can say that Ovechkin is a class for himself and he would definetely be drafted before Zherdev.

    You should always be aware of the fact that Ovechkin was "The King of Prospects" until Crosby showed up, and of course theres a reason for this. At the moment Ovechkin is suffering from the Crosby-hype (due to the numbers Crosby is putting up in a junior league while Ovechkin is playing in a senior league and the fact that Crosby is a Canadian), but this will change as soon as Ovechkin enters a NHL-rink.

    But I would agree with the people who say he would go 2nd...
     
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    My thoughts are that if Ovechkin was such an outstanding talent that he would be doing much better in the league he is playing in this year. Don't try to tell me that the Russian league he is in is any better than the NHL and I know he is scoring far less than a point per game. I know he was only 17 last year but scoring 15 points in 40 games isn't all that great in my mind for a phenom! While Zherdev had 24 points in 44 games as an 18 year old. I wouldn't be so sure that Ovechkin will turn out better than Zherdev who is doing very well already in the NHL.
     
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    If you're just going by statistics, why leave out their numbers at the world junior championships?

    Or what about this season in Russia? Zherdev had like, 2 goals in 20 games.

    Zherdev's PPG average as an 18 year old: .54.
    Ovechkin's as an 18 year old: .55.
     
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    It's hard to believe Ovechkin could be THAT much better than Nik Zherdev, who walked onto a crappy team with no north american experience and is producing a point every other game.
     
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    I seen both and their offensive games are fairly similar right now but Ovechkin is leagues ahead in all round game and strength. Ovechkin still is faster and has a better shot.
     
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    Is the general consensus that Zherdev would go higher than Malkin?
     
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    At first, I tought it was the main reason for asking that question. The Zherdev, Malkin, Olezh ranking.

    But I realize that is not a total consensus to place Orvechkin in front of Zherdev.

    Interesting...

    BJ21
     
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    That was the reason behind the question, and I too am surprised that not only are people saying u can make a case for Zherdev going 2nd overall, but in effect you can make a case of choosing him over Ovechkin, which at the beginning of the year would have been unheard of!

    I was just trying to figure out if Malkin, Olesz etc was as much of a talent as Zherdev

    hmmmmm.
     
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    Ovechkin and Zherdev are fairly close offensively...but Ovechkin is leagues ahead of Nikolai in basically every other facet.
     
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    OK, so Ovechkin would go first overall, then who would you take between Malkin, Olesz, Barker, or Zherdev, OFFENSIVELY speaking!
     
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    offensively...
    1. Zherdev
    2. Malkin
    3. Olesz
    4. Barker(he's a defenseman...)

    overall
    1. Malkin
    2. Zherdev
    3. Olesz
    4. Barker
     
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